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I don't know here is the right place to start this poll. If it's not, sorry for that :)
You can vote with multiple. And please explain why you choose your choice?
if you have one of the best encoder but not in the list, please tell what is your favorite?
So, which one have the best 1080p Rips?
Absolutely answer is NOT scene!!!
I got many times audio synch problem from scene's encodes this is maybe about scene care about fast pre time not quality on the other hand HD tracker's internal groups care about quality at least i think they're controlling their encoded about corrupted and synch problems than internal groups FTW!!!
but if you're asking about which internal group i am not sure about that and trying to find out...
Spoiler: ShowDON http://www.imagebam.com/image/11d71531409997
SEPTIC http://www.imagebam.com/image/3642b631409998
http://www.imagebam.com/image/3642b631409998
WiKi: http://www.luangh.com/up/files/12/chengguan33gjjjj-052%5B(001420)12-37-08%5D.png
Twilight 2008 720p BluRay DTS of 3 release
but someone populer gropus are Esir,wiki,eureka,blind,hdrise,hint,Don
Not scene.
Not Eureka.
HDBits internal groups FTW. ESiR, CtrlHD, PerfectionHD, Don etc.
Thanks for your replays. Than i have change the question, if you have one of the best encoder but not in the list, please tell what is your favorite?
ESiR is the best out there
I usually grab ESiR, but I only have 720p so that may be part of the reason. I have noticed that they do lots of 720p and not as much 1080p.
Since the poll asked for 1080p.... I cant really say from experience. Although I voted CtrlHD for the hell of it. :P
voted for ESiR and CtrlHD , but where's DON?
Obviously p2p groups are better. So all the groups have made some perfect encodes and some with problems. If you are looking for perfection there isn't. Personally I laugh with the comments in hd trackers suggesting that a certain release has a problem in a frame. I believe them they know away more things than I do but the one frame is really something the human eye can't notice. So my answer is that most of the well known p2p groups are making encodes that are perfect for the 99% of the viewer. Many thanks for their effort
Esir
ESiR
720p Esir
1080p CtrlHD
Friends, please tell why you choose that ones. I want to know what they are good. Bitrate, audio, colors or something..
eureka and esir.
my friend encodes fine, hes da best
ESiR and CtrlHD are one of the oldest nonscene encoders.And their home is HDbits, i'm not sure but oldest HD tracker as i know, most famous and highest level as well.Collect eveything together, with their quality encodes...way is bright
I would love to see some better screenshot examples. I see that there is a very slight difference in the two above, but that could be the exception just as much as it could be the rule. And I don't know if that's the best example, since there really isn't much going on there that needs to be the best quality possible.
From the threads I've seen pertaining to HD, it seems like there is a kneejerk reaction within this forum to note that torrent encoders are the best. The charge seems to be led by a handful of HDBits members, so I think this is, in part, a matter of pride.
It just seems to me, as someone who leeches 720p releases of whatever group gets it to usenet first except when I'm going back in time and CtrlHD or ESiR or DON or whoever have been posted recently, that all of the films I've seen have been great HD quality. It seems that the zealots just take it for granted that these torrent encoders are better and never really prove the point in an irrefutable series of examples.
Tangentially, if you're not a member of HDBits (or using Usenet where at least some of the better movies are posted), where do you find such releases?
Get em from any other HD site when there uploaded thereQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeHD
Esir and CtrlHD, IMO. I like PerfectionHD's rips as well.
Esir and CtrlHD
Eureka for 1080p - for quality and especially compatibility reasons. I have yet to find a Eureka release that does not play back properly on hardware players. They strictly stick to 4.1 profile and a relatively low number of reference frames, in addition to dxva compatibility. All this is very important, and even everybody's darling ESiR, a very good group, no doubt, had 1080p releases that simply don't play back properly on hardware players.
ESiR for 720p - they seem to be 'specialised' on 720p, and a lot of their releases are quality indeed. And for 720p, the whole reference frame and dxva compatibility issue is much less of a problem (less of a burden, both memory and CPU wise).
As far as scene groups are concerned, REFiNED, SiNNERS and Japhson usually do a pretty good job. While p2p rips often are of better quality indeed, the difference is not as huge as some make it to be. There are some quality scene rips out there.
ESiR - don't know why. Don't like CTRLHD cuz their rips are like 12598125 GB/movie.
ESiR
Has anyone noticed that p2p 72p rips are encodes of either scene/p2p 1080p sources?
Well I don't have any invites to the p2p HD trackers so i can only go by the scene standards.
Why I find strange is how many scene groups don't use the best codecs eg. AC3 instead of DTS
EDIT: Not meaning to go off topic but what HD trackers should I be looking out for? Including trackers with Free Leech
If that is the case, respectable groups normally use the untouched, full Blu-ray / HDDVD source. So quality wise, the source is no different than the commercial discs you can buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
Space - the DTS core stream on Blu-rays needs 1.5Mbps, while AC3 has 640Kbps. And not all Blu-rays have DTS sound.Quote:
Why I find strange is how many scene groups don't use the best codecs eg. AC3 instead of DTS
So, iLOVENZB, you think internal groups are better than scene groups, right?
I would say internal groups are better than scene. Remember scene groups have strict guidelines to follow...but they do release movies pretty fast if your that eager to watch them. I mainly stick with ESiR and once in awhile CTRLHD depending on the encoder. They both work perfect with my popcorn hour A110 :). Ive tried WiKi and I will admit some of their releases do look sharper but the colors just seem...a bit off:\
WiKi do a pretty good job, too. No problem with colours and such, but I haven't seen that many of their releases yet. DON and PerfectionHD are other groups that release pretty good stuff.
P.S.: There are scene groups that don't care about size restrictions (e.g. 8GB for a 1080p movie), at least for some of their releases. Those are usually of pretty decent quality, too.
i'm pretty sure 95% of those who posted don't even see the difference between releases with the naked eye..
Difference between scene and P2P rips? Probably. As I wrote earlier, the difference is not as huge as some make it to be.
An important aspect that seems to be neglected in the discussion is compatibility, especially when it comes to 1080p rips. And especially in that area, groups like Eureka (which get a lot of unjustified flak on here IMHO) are excellent, as explained earlier. Newer scene releases usually are compatible, too (low number of reference frames, 4.1 profile etc.). It's a different story for older releases though.
Esir - CtrlHD - Eureka .
But What About [Z@X] ??
BTW : Where can i find CtrlHD New Releases After HDBits , Cause Bit-Hdtv is not focusing on it as much as ESiR
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Originally Posted by cinephilia
Very true. But if you know what to look for then its somewhat/quite easy! :naughty:
The way i see it. Most people will support the groups that they first downloaded from lol
Ehh I respect the scene and some p2p groups but p2p groups tend to not know why the scene do certain standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by technodrome
eg. Split rars etc.
Depends on the running time of the featureQuote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck
no wiki?
Not necessarily. Quick example: REFiNED rip of Quantum of Solace. 106min, 8.74GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
I assume that's a 720p rip?Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreckNot necessarily. Quick example: REFiNED rip of Quantum of Solace. 106min, 8.74GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
"We have gotten together and discussed file sizing. DVD9 causes a much too high
bitrate for releases around the 2 hour long mark."
"[ Total Sizes ]
2.1) Final file size must be DVD5, 1.5 x DVD5, or DVD9 size
2.2) A size of 0.5 x DVD5 is acceptable for animated movies ONLY.
2.3) A max undersize of 40 MiB can be tolerated
2.4) DVD9 should be used only in cases of long movies, or high action movies.
2.5) Propering a release that could have been a bigger size is not valid,
unless below minimum bitrate.
2.6) 2x DVD5 is NOT allowed.
2.7) For very long movies like LOTR, you may deviate from rules. Please use a
multiple of 0.5xDVD5 (2240 MiB)."
Source: high.def.x264.movie.standards.rev2.nfo (Yes, I know there is a later revision)
:whistling
EDIT: Revision 3.1 doesn't change much but 3.0 has significantly changed since revision 2
It's a 1080p rip (Quantum.of.Solace.1080p.BluRay.x264-REFiNED). Would have been an even more drastic example if it was a 720p rip, since 106min are anything but a "very long" movie (less than two hours), and 8.74GB for a relatively short 720p rip would have been rather overkill.
Another example: The.Boondock.Saints.1999.1080p.BluRay.x264-CiNEFiLE
108min, 8.74GB
Now that we have a poll about the best HD groups, what about the worst?
My vote goes to BDFLiX, or INFAMOUS. Nah, BDFLiX wins hands down. Not only do they rip ('rape' rather) every movie to the ~7.5GB max 'BD9' format, no matter how long they are, resulting in often pretty pixelated (read: crappy) rips. They also do some unbelievable school boy mistakes, unforgivable for classic movies like Kill Bill Vol.1, for example. They ruined that one by choosing a vertical resolution of 1280 pixels (instead of 1080 pixels max., obviously). Still don't get how that could have been 'overseen', if they even check their own rips that is.
I think that's the point of sticking with a certain group, that way you're assured quality rather than there being a possibility of failure. I prefer p2p groups like ESiR, CtrlHD, DON, PerfectionHD, etc.
The scene may have rules, but if you know anything about encoding, you should see that the rules are just a minimum guideline. The groups tend to see those as optimum settings and believe that they will have perfect releases. There is also an element of racing with the scene, whereas p2p try to get their uploads out quickly, but without errors.
Another thing is that when people say a p2p group, it just means that they are non-scene and use a peer-to-peer method. Most of the these groups are on private HD torrent sites or members of usenet groups. Both of these are dedicated to quality and that is why I see their rips as an extra seal of assurance.
If you mean p2p as in grabbing something from thepiratebay or mininova, there certainly wouldn't be the same commitment to quality.
/rant
Recent example of a scene rip that simply does not make sense. If it wasn't a good movie, I wouldn't even care. But seriously...
The.Curious.Case.of.Benjamin.Button.1080p.BD9.x264-Chakra
166min movie 'forced' into the 7.5GB BD9 format, resulting in an average video bitrate of around 5500Kbps, which really isn't enough for 1080p. In addition to that, they chose a 768Kbps DTS audio stream, likely re-encoded from the original lossless source. :rolleyes:
If you want to have DTS sound, choose the 1536Kbps DTS core (no re-encoding needed), provided the Blu-Ray source has DTS audio streams, of course. If you need to save space, choose 640Kbps AC3 instead, and not 768Kbps DTS - the latter was DVD standard, just like 448Kbps AC3 was. At 640Kbps (introduced with HD), being the more efficient codec, AC3 usually sounds better than DTS at 768Kbps. DTS at 1536Kbps is king, of course, transparent, dynamic, precise -> if DTS, then 1536Kbps, please.
if you want to see more releases from WiKi, you should join HDChina. It's where that group comes from and that's why WiKi isn't so popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck