Makers Of Kazaa Suing Record Labels

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09-24-2003, 06:25 PM
sharedholder

Sharman Sues Music Industry - Again

September 24, 2003

Sharman Networks has revisited it earlier lawsuit against the RIAA. During the early months of 2003, Sharman filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the RIAA, claiming that the music industry prevented the distribution of authorized works. The judge in the case readily rejected the suit, however allowed wiggle room for a comeback.

Not only is Sharman suing for the aforementioned, its is now targeting the RIAA for copyright infringement. Sharman claims that the RIAA is using the infamous Kazaa Lite, a popular and superior version of the Kazaa software. Through this software, Sharman claims the RIAA is gathering information on their users, distribution false files, and harassing FastTrack users with instant messages.

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09-24-2003, 09:06 PM
downloader2008

I never thought I'd hear myself saying this but....: WAY TO GO SHARMAN NETWORKS! I hope they win this time, but I still think that the government is on the RIAA's side. I read my version of the story here
09-24-2003, 09:08 PM
Switeck

It's basically a given that RIAA is monitoring the network in a MAJOR way.
And if it's done using 'hacked' versions of Kazaa, it is explicitly violating Kazaa's use agreements, copyright laws, privacy laws, and (if they're intentionally causing 'share-denial'/network degredations) even telecommunication theft and fraud. (basically Denial of Service attacks...)

If the dead-end supernodes which show the overall size of fasttrack network to be less than 1,000's of users are being run by RIAA... AND IT CAN BE PROVEN... they're going to be in serious trouble.

It's the equivalent of crashing/slowing down the internet to stop internet porn and spam.
09-24-2003, 09:13 PM
kdm172

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Originally posted by downloader2008@24 September 2003 - 21:06
I never thought I'd hear myself saying this but....: WAY TO GO SHARMAN NETWORKS! I hope they win this time, but I still think that the government is on the RIAA's side. I read my version of the story here

Right with you. But I have question if Sharman does win will this mean that the RIAA won't be suing anymore?
09-24-2003, 09:27 PM
the_faceman

Source: News Link

edit: sorry. there was a similar post earlier, in a slightly different section, i had a quick look before i posted this but must've missed it. here is the link to the other post Link

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Sharman Networks Ltd., the company behind the Kazaa file-sharing software, filed a federal lawsuit Monday accusing the entertainment companies of using unauthorized versions of its software in their efforts to root out users. Entertainment companies have offered bogus versions of copyright works and sent online warning messages to users.

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Sharman said the companies used Kazaa Lite, an ad-less replica of its software, to get onto the network. The lawsuit also claims efforts to combat piracy on Kazaa violated terms for using the network.

Sharman's lawsuit also revives its previous allegation that the entertainment companies violated antitrust laws by stopping Sharman and its partner from distributing authorized copies of music and movies through Kazaa.

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The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."
09-24-2003, 09:43 PM
Gre1

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Originally posted by kdm172+24 September 2003 - 16:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kdm172 @ 24 September 2003 - 16:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-downloader2008@24 September 2003 - 21:06
I never thought I'd hear myself saying this but....: WAY TO GO SHARMAN NETWORKS! I hope they win this time, but I still think that the government is on the RIAA's side. I read my version of the story here

Right with you. But I have question if Sharman does win will this mean that the RIAA won't be suing anymore? [/b][/quote]
You got one more with yall. I hope they win, I was just telling somebody that the law works like that Kazaa is suing for copyright infringement that's brilliant. I love the way the law works.
09-24-2003, 09:43 PM
fr600

Sharman Networks will win...thats all i know...
09-24-2003, 09:46 PM
Gre1

This was just posted here: http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69326
09-24-2003, 10:11 PM
the_faceman

if you had actually read the post, the edit near the top states that very same thing. it was edited a few minutes after i posted, and a full 15 minutes before you replied.
09-24-2003, 10:14 PM
Gre1

Oh, Didn't see that part. My bad. :D
09-24-2003, 10:18 PM
Sparkle1984

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Sharman Networks will win...thats all i know...

Hopefully YES !! :D And then everyone can be free to share without harrassment.
09-25-2003, 04:27 AM
ploink

:D http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/09/24...s.ap/index.html

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Turning the tables on record labels, makers of the most popular Internet song-swapping network are suing entertainment companies for copyright infringement.

Sharman Networks Ltd., the company behind the Kazaa file-sharing software, filed a federal lawsuit Monday accusing the entertainment companies of using unauthorized versions of its software in their efforts to root out users. Entertainment companies have offered bogus versions of copyright works and sent online messages to users.

Sharman said the companies used Kazaa Lite, an ad-less replica of its software, to get onto the network. The lawsuit also claims efforts to combat piracy on Kazaa violated terms for using the network.

Trying again
Sharman's lawsuit also revives its previous allegation that the entertainment companies violated antitrust laws by stopping Sharman and its partner from distributing authorized copies of music and movies through Kazaa.

U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson rejected those claims in July but last week allowed Sharman to try again. Sharman is incorporated in the South Pacific island nation of Vanuatu with main offices in Sydney, Australia.

Firing back
The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."

Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group, a division of CNN's parent company AOL Time Warner, declined to comment on Sharman's latest lawsuit.

Recording companies sued 261 music fans this month, claiming they were illegally distributing hundreds of digital song files apiece over the Internet. The industry trolled file-sharing networks such as Kazaa and downloaded song files from users' computers.

Once the industry determined a downloaded song file was a copyright work, they issued subpoenas to Internet access providers to find out who was behind the account used to log onto the file-sharing network.

RIAA drops one lawsuit
Meanwhile, the recording industry group has dropped one of the 261 lawsuits, a case filed against a 66-year-old sculptor who apparently was targeted in a case of mistaken identity.

Sarah Seabury Ward, of Newbury, Massachusetts, was accused of illegally sharing more than 2,000 songs through Kazaa, including rapper Trick Daddy's "I'm a Thug." The music companies threatened to hold her liable for up to $150,000 for each song.

After Ward's lawyer complained that Ward is a "computer neophyte" who never installed file-sharing software or downloaded any songs, the case was dropped in federal court in Boston on Friday.
09-25-2003, 04:35 AM
Gre1

Yep, we know posted already twice:

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69326

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69366
09-25-2003, 06:10 AM
nikita69

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Originally posted by Gre1@25 September 2003 - 10:35
Yep, we know posted already twice:

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69326

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69366

can i post it in TIPS thread? :lol: :lol:
09-25-2003, 06:17 AM
[B][O][T]

Sorry if this topic looks like a total mess, I merged 3 topic's.

BOT
09-25-2003, 06:50 AM
Jayhawk

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Originally posted by [B][O][T]@25 September 2003 - 00:17
Sorry if this topic looks like a total mess, I merged 3 topic's.

BOT

my head hurts now BOT thanks alot but keep up the good work

good for kazaa and suing back ;)
09-25-2003, 07:10 AM
RealitY

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Originally posted by sharedholder@24 September 2003 - 19:25
Not only is Sharman suing for the aforementioned, its is now targeting the RIAA for copyright infringement. Sharman claims that the RIAA is using the infamous Kazaa Lite, a popular and superior version of the Kazaa software. Through this software, Sharman claims the RIAA is gathering information on their users, distribution false files, and harassing FastTrack users with instant messages.

:lol: :lol:
Can I Take Any Credit For This...
August 18 Email To Sharman
09-25-2003, 02:07 PM
Hdestm8r

Why is everybody happy that Sharman is suing the RIAA? If Sharman wins it will mean trouble for Kazaa-lite. If you noticed Sharman specifically names Kazaa-lite as the weapon of choice and NOT Kazaa. This is a direct attack on BOTH the RIAA and Kazaa-lite

Sharman Networks Ltd., the company behind the Kazaa file-sharing software, filed a federal lawsuit Monday accusing the entertainment companies of using unauthorized versions of its software in their efforts to root out users. Entertainment companies have offered bogus versions of copyright works and sent online messages to users.

Sharman said the companies used Kazaa Lite, an ad-less replica of its software, to get onto the network. The lawsuit also claims efforts to combat piracy on Kazaa violated terms for using the network.

If Sharman wins that will mean the U.S. Courts will find that Kazaa-lite is an "Unauthorized" program, based on technology and rights Sharman purchased from the Dutch inventors of Kazaa. Therefore the use of Kazaa-lite will be judged to be "Copyright Infringment" and subsequently everybody who uses Kazaa-lite will be guilty of such.

The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."
09-25-2003, 07:01 PM
Switeck

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Originally posted by Hdestm8r@25 September 2003 - 09:07
Why is everybody happy that Sharman is suing the RIAA? If Sharman wins it will mean trouble for Kazaa-lite. If you noticed Sharman specifically names Kazaa-lite as the weapon of choice and NOT Kazaa. This is a direct attack on BOTH the RIAA and Kazaa-lite

You may be right, but I think it's a red herring.

From everything I've studied about RIAA's tactics, they are NOT using the same version of Kazaa Lite that WE are -- they're probably using something made in-house... with specialized bits to make busting 'pirates' easier.

Sharman's goal is to REVEAL what the RIAA is using, show just how much 'illegal hacking' RIAA did to create such tools, and legally block their use.

RIAA has already released a manifesto of its tactics to various news agencies to locate/stall/virus-infect/destroy file-sharing computers. These are using tools they ALREADY have, but have only used 'in a limited manner for testing purposes only' (their words...)

This was done to SCARE us, but I think we can make it backfire if we some research of our own. We could probably prove in as little as a couple days/week that RIAA is using most of those tools in a wholesale way. Even the viruses that are tailor-made for Kazaa may be indirectly pinned on them as an example of one or more of their 'test samples' that slipped out... At the very least, RIAA may be forced to show its tools in court (although probably a locked doors, private session...) to defend ITS innocence. Even showing that it has viruses at all for destroying the networks will NOT sit well with ANY judge or jury who's been hit recently by some the big viruses like MSBlaster or Sobig.f...
09-25-2003, 08:14 PM
downloader2008

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Originally posted by REALITY+25 September 2003 - 02:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 25 September 2003 - 02:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@24 September 2003 - 19:25
Not only is Sharman suing for the aforementioned, its is now targeting the RIAA for copyright infringement. Sharman claims that the RIAA is using the infamous Kazaa Lite, a popular and superior version of the Kazaa software. Through this software, Sharman claims the RIAA is gathering information on their users, distribution false files, and harassing FastTrack users with instant messages.

:lol: :lol:
Can I Take Any Credit For This...
August 18 Email To Sharman [/b][/quote]
You know REALITY, maybe it was bc of you! I mean, they listened to RandomNut too a while back.... ;)
09-26-2003, 04:12 AM
Blaster.Master

i think that Sharman is trying to kill two birds with one stone.

Kazaa Lite=No ads, no spyware=No money for Sharman.
So don't be so happy about Sharman fighting back, it may turn around and bite us as well.
more and more ppl are using kazaa lite everyday (every time i have a chance, I tell my friends about it :D ) so it is becoming a bit of a problem to Sharman.
09-30-2003, 09:19 AM
RealitY

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Originally posted by downloader2008+25 September 2003 - 21:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (downloader2008 @ 25 September 2003 - 21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by REALITY@25 September 2003 - 02:10
<!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder

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@24 September 2003 - 19:25
Not only is Sharman suing for the aforementioned, its is now targeting the RIAA for copyright infringement. Sharman claims that the RIAA is using the infamous Kazaa Lite, a popular and superior version of the Kazaa software. Through this software, Sharman claims the RIAA is gathering information on their users, distribution false files, and harassing FastTrack users with instant messages.

:lol: :lol:
Can I Take Any Credit For This...
August 18 Email To Sharman

You know REALITY, maybe it was bc of you! I mean, they listened to RandomNut too a while back.... ;) [/b][/quote]
Hay those two names in the same sentence...

Ewwwwwwww...
I'm getting gOOse bumps...
:lol: :lol:
09-30-2003, 10:30 PM
Switeck

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Originally posted by Blaster.Master@25 September 2003 - 23:12
Kazaa Lite=No ads, no spyware=No money for Sharman.
So don't be so happy about Sharman fighting back, it may turn around and bite us as well.
more and more ppl are using kazaa lite everyday (every time i have a chance, I tell my friends about it :D ) so it is becoming a bit of a problem to Sharman.

Even if much of the network is Kazaa Lite K++ users, Sharman still benefits through new users on regular Kazaa being able to FIND decent downloads shared without PL restrictions by KL++ users. If we ALL pack up and go elsewhere they will hurt a WHOLE lot worse as even the regular Kazaa users will find lots of failed downloads that will never finish.