So turnes out BT Music is all about money.

News today:

By Pedro:

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Dear members,

I have banned tut and RolloTomasi. I will not allow the people who have had my trust create chaos on the tracker in response to a decision I made with respect to staff. Other bans and demotions from VIP follow in regard to individuals who tried to undermine my and my administration's authority.

My and my administration's decision are final. They are always well discussed and are legitimate. I would like all of you to fully respect them.

My and my moderators' goal is to provide you with a stable and trustworthy place to exchange music in lossless formats. We do not do politics. Please do not defy my decisions or my admin's and moderator's decisions.

Thank you.

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RolloTomasi - staff, ran a campaign against the seedboxes becasue people were having trouble with their ratios (slower users). Many people (90%) liked this idea because BTmusic used to be all about the community and helping each other.

Pedro (owner) felt like Rollo's campaign is a threat to his finances, because ineed people with lower ratio were paying money to stay alive on the website (therfore more seedboxes = more money).

Now Half of the VIPS are banned because they supported this idea of equality and other half is demonted to users. BTMusic no longer exists as the best lossless community. There will be no great uploads anytime soon, and this place is run be a greedy man who destroyed something what many people put their efforts into just so good music could be heard.

RIP BTMUSIC. WELCOM BTCLOWN.

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My and my administration's decision are final. They are always well discussed and are legitimate. I would like all of you to fully respect them.

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Well respect is something you earn. I'm sure everyone would like to have respect and this d00d is just stating the obvious here. Maybe the banned users could take it up in their own hands and start their own tracker? After all it's his tracker so it IS his rules.

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

a campaign against the seedboxes becasue people were having trouble with their ratios (slower users). Many people (90%) liked this idea because BTmusic used to be all about the community and helping each other.

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Not exactly. The problem is so called overseeding, as uploaders complain that very fast people cause trouble on their torrents. Some 60% of uploaders were in favour and this is still being discussed. This does not concern regular members.

Also, this month there were so called 'happy hours' when you can pig out without limits. They lasted 24 hours.

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Pedro (owner) felt like Rollo's campaign is a threat to his finances, because ineed people with lower ratio were paying money to stay alive on the website (therfore more seedboxes = more money).

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Now, seriously, you are not a member there and your girlfriendz told you this story, right? :lol::D

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Now Half of the VIPS are banned

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It's a lie. That would be 3 of 40.

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other half is demonted to users.

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Another lie. That would be 1 of 40.

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a greedy man who destroyed something what many people put their efforts into just so good music could be heard.

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Now this is stupid. He has actually been covering a big part of server and site expenses for years, not even talking about the newest policy here that strangers can no longer buy their way in, or that donors receive doubles profits for their donations.

Hey girl, why are you lying?

Honestly, I don't know what to think.

I do have a slow connection and I've never had a problem surviving at Pedro's. On the other hand I know people who use seedboxes there and I don't find any problems there, I just get the files faster.

Anyway, we'll see in time what effects this has.

It's all about politics. BTMusic is widely known for its very friendly community, but this, as anything else, has it pros and coins. The apparent pros are that certain people mistake staff's leniency with weakness, and friendly atmosphere with naivety. Such people try to 'widen their influence' by populist means actually exploiting the community, and this ends like it has ended this time. AFAIK the staff tried to reason with them, but it did not help.

What's going to happen now? Nothing. The community needs to heal its wounds and it's gonna be alright again. I hope that the new VIPs and possibly new staff will be selected more carefully.

From a POV of a regular user, I think that mentioned RolloTomasi deeply disappointed the site owner. As a mod he was given powers and trust. Instead of being professional he kept on enforcing his own agendas by purely populist means (in example, setting groups of members against each other and so on). It simply had to end harshly.

What happened is really sad... :( That place was my favourite music tracker and one of my 2-3 favorite trackers in general. Great members, great community and the BEST uploads ever... :(

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Originally Posted by aaatoel

That place was my favourite music tracker and one of my 2-3 favorite trackers in general. Great members, great community and the BEST uploads ever... :(

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So it ceased to be? Keep on supporting it, it's gonna be alright ;)
During tough times this is exactly what community needs - support of its members. :D

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

Pedro (owner) felt like Rollo's campaign is a threat to his finances, because ineed people with lower ratio were paying money to stay alive on the website (therfore more seedboxes = more money).

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what you're saying is just stupid. if Pedro was after money, he wouldn't have set a warning/ban system against overseeders...

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

what you're saying is just stupid.

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Of course. You should really never take anything that he types very seriously...

I do hope that Rollo(and the couple other known and in my opinion valuable members that were recently banned) gets to come back though(if he would even want to) after all this settles. Not only is he an extremely helpful and courteous person he was also an asset to P's and will be missed.

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

[Also, this month there were so called 'happy hours' when you can pig out without limits. They lasted 24 hours.

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Pedro (owner) felt like Rollo's campaign is a threat to his finances, because ineed people with lower ratio were paying money to stay alive on the website (therfore more seedboxes = more money).

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Now, seriously, you are not a member there and your girlfriendz told you this story, right? :lol::D

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a greedy man who destroyed something what many people put their efforts into just so good music could be heard.

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Now this is stupid. He has actually been covering a big part of server and site expenses for years, not even talking about the newest policy here that strangers can no longer buy their way in, or that donors receive doubles profits for their donations.

Hey girl, why are you lying?

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Funny for me to read this post. Being a former mod on Pedro's, I can tell you for a fact that it IS about money. I stepped down voluntarily as moderator there over three years ago due to my difference in in philosophy concerning P2P with Pedro and one of his goons, BlackSummer/VR. I was helping people who had small ratio problems by downloading stuff from them in order to help improve their ratio. I was told by Pedro that I should not be helping these members out as it would lead to a decrease in the number of people who were donating and thus affect his income. My philosophy of P2P is that one should not have to pay to be a part of a community as long as they are attempting to share. While there are problems concerning leechers, the availabilty of faster bandwidth can cause ratio problems despite efforts as those in Europe and other places have much faster bandwidth available to them than do others. I can tell you that Pedro makes more than enough to pay for the server he uses from donations and for people paying for ratio adjustment so they can download the work of those who do it for free, for the love of music. I never received a dime for the thousands of hours of work I did as a mod nor did I ever expect to achieve financial gain from my work. I did it because I like sharing music. Another reason I stepped down was that I felt that the users were often treated unfairly. I realize rules need to exist to prevent chaos yet there also needs to be open dialogue for problem solving, something that Pedro often does not allow as evidenced from the above quotes.
I am not writing this to get revenge or to settle a score. I have been silent on this issue for over 3 years. I am just fearful that one of the best places to share lossless music just has lost a lot of what has made it so appealing. It is also difficult to watch something that I put many hours into for free become a moneymaking tool for one individual while those who make it possible for that individual to make money are treated unfairly.
Just a prediction....BlackSummer/VR will once again become part of the moderation team even though he nearly destroyed the site with his behavior in the past. It may be under a different name as he is known to use that tactic to keep members from knowing who he really is, hence the BlackSummer/VR nick referenced in my post. If this happens, it will be a sad day for the members of the tracker.

So as you can see, my girlfriend did not tell me this;), it comes from personal, firsthand experience. While it may have been exaggerated a bit in the above post, recent events are causing a severe decline in the quality of BTMusic. So my question AllAlone is.... Whose girlfriend have you been talking to? Is her name Pedro?

Peace to all those who share for the love of music not profit,
cottonseed

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

From a POV of a regular user, I think that mentioned RolloTomasi deeply disappointed the site owner. As a mod he was given powers and trust. Instead of being professional he kept on enforcing his own agendas by purely populist means (in example, setting groups of members against each other and so on). It simply had to end harshly.

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Horse Hockey.

The site admin was well aware of my intentions before I did anything. She changed her tune after Pedro didn't like what he saw, and claimed that she did not read the mod discussion. Which is just not true. You are not familiar at all at what on behind the scenes in moderator discussion.

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

From a POV of a regular user, I think that mentioned RolloTomasi deeply disappointed the site owner. As a mod he was given powers and trust. Instead of being professional he kept on enforcing his own agendas by purely populist means (in example, setting groups of members against each other and so on). It simply had to end harshly.

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Horse Hockey.

The site admin was well aware of my intentions before I did anything. She changed her tune after Pedro didn't like what he saw, and claimed that she did not read the mod discussion. Which is just not true. You are not familiar at all at what on behind the scenes in moderator discussion.

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So why did you really get banned? If you don't want to tell us, that's ok, I was just wondering.

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Originally Posted by cottonseed

So as you can see, my girlfriend did not tell me this;)

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But... you have one, right? Because you are saying all of this happened some 3 or more years ago and you are still holding the grudge... man, this is weird.
This is not normal. This is the f*ckin' internet right? It's all about fun, yes? This isn't real life, yeah? Well.. or maybe it is, is it? How often do you go out?

It does not sound like you have got over it. I asked around, and it seems there is another lossless tracker, right? e**** yes? Some people told me it is driven mostly by bad memories reg. pedro's. Is this true? If it is so, THIS IS SICK man O_O :blink: :w00t:
So it's like what? You people get together, hold hands and sob? :wacko:

I've been around for some 2 years so far. I wish I could be there before that. Scientology seems like Sesame Street comparing to this shit :naughty:

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Originally Posted by The_Martinator

So why did you really get banned? If you don't want to tell us, that's ok, I was just wondering.

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Don't push him, he would have to lie to look good, do you really want that?

Blame it on the credit crunch. Donations are not as many as there used to be and we are getting more and more PMs from mods asking for money. The only problem is that now we don't really know which trackers really needs help and which ones are only being greedy.
I never had the chance to get in to this "pedro" tracker although I m a bif losseless fan but I feel sorry for what happened and I feel that the truth is somewhere in between. And YES, unfortunately, it's all about the money.

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

But... you have one, right? Because you are saying all of this happened some 3 or more years ago and you are still holding the grudge... man, this is weird.
This is not normal. This is the f*ckin' internet right? It's all about fun, yes? This isn't real life, yeah? Well.. or maybe it is, is it? How often do you go out?

It does not sound like you have got over it. I asked around, and it seems there is another lossless tracker, right? e**** yes? Some people told me it is driven mostly by bad memories reg. pedro's. Is this true? If it is so, THIS IS SICK man O_O :blink: :w00t:
So it's like what? You people get together, hold hands and sob? :wacko:

I've been around for some 2 years so far. I wish I could be there before that. Scientology seems like Sesame Street comparing to this shit :naughty:

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How old are you? Can you not read? I was just stating facts and you want to personally attack me? My five year old has more manners than you do. I know this is the internet so you can think you are as cool as you think you are as you don't have to face reality or the people you attack. Pretty brave of you. Shows real courage ;). I have scraped better people than you off the soles off my shoes. Sounds like you are the one with the real problem. Being a net troll is better than being unemployed with the current state of the global economic situation I guess.

Do yourself a favor and use logic and facts when you want to debate rather than personal attacks that you have no basis for making. It will make you look like you are at least educated above the 5th grade level. If you have facts to back up what you are saying, you sure have not used them here. Therefore I suspect that the reality is that you know no facts to post and therefore must resort to the cheap tactics that you use.

As for my "bitterness", does stating fact make me bitter? It seems to me you are the bitter one for whatever reason. Making personal attacks, making comments on subjects that you apparently know NOTHING about and being a net troll in general.

I really have no interest in ensuing a net war with you so you may continue to post whatever you may think of me as you neither know me nor would I ever want to know a person like yourself. You are a penny a dozen on the net and really not worth the time as, contrary to your popular belief, I do have a life and 99.9999999999999% is way more fun than trying to persuade uneducated people like yourself to act in a decent and responsible mannner. So post away , call all the names you want, attack me personally even though you don't have a clue about me or my life, and continue your trolling ways in general. I will no longer respond to you as it is a waste of time. Peace out :)

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Originally Posted by cottonseed

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Oh c'mon, let's face it. It's all real to you. You take it all seriously. Look at your own reasoning here. In a 4 paragraph long post you have just calmed yourself down and explained to yourself that everything is still alright. "It's alright cottonseed, he's just a little troll, your life is fine, you have a life... calm down now, it's alright..." :lol:

If anything I typed was so meaningless to you, why didn't you just ignore me?

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Originally Posted by cottonseed

I do have a life

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Oh do you? See above. :lol:

Now, don't get upset, ok? Tell about your little cosy e****.

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AllAlone, what's with those personal attacks? As a matter of fact, the time you spend on the internet is the same time you spend in the real world. That means that you cannot always disregard what happens there, especially if it means that something you have worked hard for (ie. spent a lot of time on) goes to waste.

Now, I'm a little curious; RolloTomasi, what will you do from now on? As a FLAC user I cannot imagine you going over to using mp3.

I loved your great contributions to the community and it is sad to see you go. You have my best wishes.

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Originally Posted by ovisan

I never had the chance to get in to this "pedro" tracker although I m a bif losseless fan but I feel sorry for what happened and I feel that the truth is somewhere in between. And YES, unfortunately, it's all about the money.

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You know what? I would invite you, but I have already invited a friend this month. Uploaders receive only 1 invitation/month now. If you want in and see things for yourself, PM me. We will figure something out. :happy:

Anybody got some Troll spray?

Back to the subject at hand.

Yes, Pedro's BTMusic is a for profit site despite what some may want to claim. I am aware of how much money he generated in the early days when I was mod as a fellow mod on one occasion collected the donations and forwarded them to Pedro and that moderator told me the amount in an IRC exchange. I wish I still had the IRC exchanges as proof but being that it was many years ago, they have long been wiped from my HDD. Unfortunately the other moderator has since passed and therefore verification of this fact is not possible. That was when the number of donors was relatively small, probably 1/4 of what they are today at a minimum. The amount at that time was much more than the cost that Pedro incurred to run the site. I had no qualms with it as I figured he did the work, he should reap the rewards. Once I later seen his tactics and how he encouraged people to have ratio problems by the way he did and did not do things, I then had a problem with it. There are many things that could be done to make the site equitable to all users, but have not been done as it would decrease the number of "donations", in reality payment to be able to continue to download, and would drastically decrease the profit which Pedro realized and still continues to realize. Rollo was trying to get things implemented that would make things equitable and fair for all members and also to address those members who have no regard for the community and conduct themselves in a manner that is detrimental to the community as a whole.
If you believe that P2P should be about one person making financial gain off others hard work when they receive nothing other than the satisfaction of sharing music and then turn around and ban them when a disagreement arises rather than try to settle the disagreement , then you will side with Pedro. If you believe that P2P is truly about sharing and that people should be treated in a fair manner, you will not. It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

some bullsh*t

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We are not hiding behind some made up nick as you are. If you're an uploader at Pedro's, what's your nick there? If you don't want to identify yourself, just sit the hell down and STFU. Unless you are a former mod yourself [are you?] you haven't a clue to what has actually gone down. You just joined today, and it looks like you did so to troll this thread. Did Fiamma send you, or Pedro?

Jesus "Tap-Dancing" Christ! ALLALONE signs up here today, to do spin control on a bad decision at Pedros?

I think I smell a lackey. :wank:

Ya, a few months ago she sent one of the VIPs to try to compromise one of the other mods. Fortunately, this person has some values and wouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Unless you are a former mod yourself [are you?]...

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He's BlackBummer aka VR. :ghey:

Sounds like the guy in charge over there is a self-righteous dickhead. I'll bet he has allllllll kinds of friends in real life. Probably the life of the party at his grandmother's bridge games, too.

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Originally Posted by Paracetamol

Sounds like the guy in charge over there is a self-righteous dickhead. I'll bet he has allllllll kinds of friends in real life. Probably the life of the party at his grandmother's bridge games, too.

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you are right :D :yup: :yup:

the only time i have ever seen pedro talk to ppl on the site was to day ...

12:47:11 pedro: NP here, just DL and seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed...

but i guess anyone will try anything thing they can to save their cash cow :D:lol:

pedro's was never the best flac site, that honor would belong to the other lossless tracker.

The for-profit attitude of pedro's is not new, I remember back in the days of oink when there would discussions and talk about the for-profit nature of pedros.

I would not want to be associated with a tracker run by dickheads.

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Originally Posted by TP635

I would not want to be associated with a tracker run by dickheads.

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why im leaving .... done and done ... with that b/s ... :w00t:

i dont like my hard work being used to make some one else alot of money :cry::angry:

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News today:

By Pedro:

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Dear members,

I have banned tut and RolloTomasi. I will not allow the people who have had my trust create chaos on the tracker in response to a decision I made with respect to staff. Other bans and demotions from VIP follow in regard to individuals who tried to undermine my and my administration's authority.

My and my administration's decision are final. They are always well discussed and are legitimate. I would like all of you to fully respect them.

My and my moderators' goal is to provide you with a stable and trustworthy place to exchange music in lossless formats. We do not do politics. Please do not defy my decisions or my admin's and moderator's decisions.

Thank you.

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He sounds like a real dick to me. Fortunately I'm not associated with this site anyway.

Its really sad to see the site go down this way.
Rollo..u were indeed an asset to the site.

On the other hand, i was rather surprised to see a post by Pedro on the main page. He does stir up a few surprises and controversies at the same time. :lol:
The impression of the site of being a *for Profit* venture is being confirmed or reaffirmed each second i spend on the forums or the IRC.

It was my favorite tracker, but i am not sure how long is it gonna retain that position. :/

PS: LAWL @ the Post :lol:
*My and My* = pure..unadulterated and uninterrupted sessions of laughter :lol:

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

sit the hell down and STFU.

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Originally Posted by jimfitter

spin control :wank:

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Originally Posted by tut

He's BlackBummer aka VR. :ghey:

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Originally Posted by ben99

pedro's was never the best flac site, that honor would belong to the other lossless tracker.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA beautiful!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by AllAlone

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Originally Posted by jimfitter

spin control :wank:

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Originally Posted by tut

He's BlackBummer aka VR. :ghey:

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Originally Posted by ben99

pedro's was never the best flac site, that honor would belong to the other lossless tracker.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA beautiful!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Final response from the dickhead. Laugh. I can't name a single VIP that thinks you are an asset at Pedro's. So gl I must say along with Fiamma and Pedro you make a really good team. Does he share hi profits with you guys or he's just your the papa smurf?

why would anyone who is a member of both the W&W trackers need such a site?

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

why would anyone who is a member of both the W&W trackers need such a site?

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1) Because their torrents contain better rips and album covers.
2) Seeding is a *lot* easier when compared to both what n waffles.
3) Way back..the community was better :/

These reasons are enough for anyone to fall in love with such a tracker. Their policies are definitely not the best :dry:

I really can't understand the purpose of this topic. I enjoy internet dramas but creating a topic informing users that a tracker is after profit is just like creating a topic for Columbus discovering America. Old news unless there is something else involved;)

I can't say much as i got purged a while back(even after being promised i was iight),but something is definitely happening at pedros.

I mean the OP isn't nuts to just dream up such coherent allegations.
If he was just being sensational you would have simply ignored him but no,you go ahead and set up a defense team to try and trash everything that he says(yeah,i noticed those new accounts)this to me gives his allegations more than enough credit.
Also 3k reads and still counting means interest and a sign that you are being discussed elsewhere(by people who know what's really going on)
You should take a cue from TL,sometimes its good to keep quiet and just let things play themselves out.

wankers ><

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Originally Posted by brightsid

I really can't understand the purpose of this topic.

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You know, trolling, flaming, showing that akaidoresus, cottonseeds, rollos and tuts, and alike people from e**** (well, or from any other place) who just care too much (this is kind of paranoia, isn't it?) are idiots. You type anything and they will be here instantly 'fighting' back. They cannot just ignore you. We are talking here about 40-50 years old folks. Isn't this funny? Note their obsession about certain individuals, like pedros, fiammas, blackbummers, vrs (and no, I am not him, but it's like they see him everywhere :lol: ekhm... somebody said something about paranoia?) or whatever. :pinch:

:lol:^^^^^^^^^LMFAO^^^^^^^:lol:
Yes, it is the people mentioned in the above post that have the problem, not the poster themselves. Talk about fighting back, paranoia, trolling, flaming, and being an idiot.........

Not trying to start a flame war, but what's wrong with people who are 40-50. Should they just die or what?! I generally get along better with older people.