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What do you say? Does ratiocheating cause any form of damage to a tracker or its members?
I admit that I once ratiocheated more than a terabyte on sct.
Ever since that I've leeched loads of torrents and helped other members out with seeding, by leeching from them.
In other words, by cheating and then leeching a lot, you improve the activity on a tracker, right?
Imo it doesn't harm a thing, except for breaking rules and maybe it is etchically wrong.
Of course it hurts the tracker, duh.
Who is to say that you'll leech after. People want big buffers today not to leech afterwards, but to have something to show off with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Also, I can't imagine downloading 1TB of stuff. Maybe if they were HD, but that's still 250 movies in 720p.
Of course it does, if everyone did that there is no one who can seed the file. It's all about sharing!
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Originally Posted by The_Martinator
I normally download about 1tb in a month.
When I'm on a leechingspree I download 1tb in less than a week, and I have less than 10mbit down speed.
Stop comparing with "if" sentences, that's just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaapaap
It's just speculations, none of it is fact and will most likely not happen.
Cheating is Cheating. Its bad and goes against what bit torrent is about - Sharing.
I have 1 mbit speed and I tend ot use/watch/play/listen to the stuff I download. I don't download for stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Then we have something in common, except for that I don't use all of the stuff I download. About half of it is for friends and family.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_MartinatorI have 1 mbit speed and I tend ot use/watch/play/listen to the stuff I download. I don't download for stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Anyways, why would someone download for the stats?
Is it cool to have a lot of downloaded?
I thought most people are trying to get as much uploaded as possible, not downloaded.
That's why cheaters got banned :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Martinator
Thanks for your input, however it doesn't answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by james223
Pretty sure that's impossible...Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
That's a lot more interesting than the topic .What could you possibly download ? Unless I had never watched/played/listened to anything before and felt compelled to suddenly make up for it in a week I can't see the reasoning.
And no ratio cheating by one individual ( not a sysop so I might be totally off base here) probably has no effect on a tracker.
Still makes you a douchebag though.
It shortens the torrent life. The other users make a decent ratio at it and stop seeding. You should seed in order to keep the torrent alive, but yo don't, so the torrent dies.
And what jaapjaap said wasn't ridiculous, this rule has a purpose. If one can disobey it, others soon follow. And the more cheaters on a site, the shorter the torrents live on that site.
Typo, should've been 'less than 100mbit down speed'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trippin'Pretty sure that's impossible...Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Though it might be possible with 10mbit, I don't know.
At least swedish isp's may stand a chance considering how they max out.
More than one has manipulated their ratios throughout the years, and I haven't seen the crowd following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugur
That's because most of them are caught and disabled/banned.
actually ratio cheating does hurt the tracker..... basically, the whole thing is based on the honor system.. the numbers represent how much you share! ... and/or take depending on how well you were raise.. and by cheating the system your lying .. because you have not shared what you say you shared... if a single user does this then it most likely wouldn't matter as much.. but, there are many users out there that do this and that's what does the damage.. becuase it reports that you shared x amount MBs or more which means that you could download a 30GB torrent pack and avoid the hit and run systems without actually seeding 10mbs .... by making it appear that you have satisfied the requirements you can drop the torrent ... leaving the torrent to die faster and other more decent users high and dry on it as well...
that's one scenario here but i'm sure there's other combination's/ways or things you could do.. as to what the OP does is irrelevant because all he want's to do is make a case that there is nothing wrong with it..... lmao
in any case it certainly does not help a tracker or any specific torrent any, thats for sure! it's an avoidance techniuqe, nothing more... if you were a legit user there wouldn't be a need to do such things to begin with..
If you have very little downloaded, people might suspect you as an inactive user. People don't like to hand invites to people who won't use the account...Quote:
Originally Posted by MenteurThen we have something in common, except for that I don't use all of the stuff I download. About half of it is for friends and family.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Martinator
Anyways, why would someone download for the stats?
Is it cool to have a lot of downloaded?
I thought most people are trying to get as much uploaded as possible, not downloaded.
I see people agree with me that 1tb is a lot. Besides, even if it is for family and friends, you still need to download it just once, lol.
Maybe when he says friends, he means a lot of them. That's not the problem. The problem is that he is cheating and he doesn't realize he's doing something wrong. Moreover, in the country where he lives he has access to some very fast connections, so he doesn't need to cheat, even if he downloads 1 TB in a month. (that means an average speed of 3mbps, by the way)
how do you even fake uploading a terabyte?that's 1000GB ffs.How the hell does that go undetected?this tracker never ceases to amaze fo sho.
Back to your question though,as you have readily admitted ratiocheating is ethically wrong and that's that.Robin hood too stole to help the poor and though at face it was justifiable to him it was still against the law of the land hence wrong no matter what his beliefs were(same with people who blow themselves up as a shortcut to paradise).
That said,your question is kinda tricky and am tempted to dodge it.But am not going to,you may harm a few people speedwise(coz you are not really in the swarm) but if ethics and rules aint really your thing then nothing is off the table.You are free to justify anything you want.
It won't harm the tracker like say trading does coz after all its internal.
You are stealing but with the intention of returning back what you took,that's called absentia borrowing.
If anything though,i think its embarrassing that someone can fake uploading that much without being detected,to me that equates to ignorance coz if someone was paying attention you ought to have been banned by now or you would have stopped after a few gigs.
to download 1TB a week you'd have to RSS pretty much everything that hits the site.
i doubt you do that, and if you do i doubt you use more then 5gb of the stuff you download. i also doubt you have the HD space to keep up with that.
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Originally Posted by Menteur
What kind of idiot needs to download a tb of stuff in a week, so in the end whats the point of cheating just so u can download a lod of shit that u will never even most probably look at.
I said I cheated once, doesn't mean I'm still doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugur
To be more precisely, I did it more than 2 years ago.
I don't use rss, never done.Quote:
Originally Posted by 105802
I download things that sound interesting and stuff I've heard good words about.
As I said, I download 1tb in a month, my leechingspree doesn't happen too often. Sct's birthday for example is a time when I leech a terabyte in a week.
Also you should read through the entire thread before you judge anything. I already stated that I use everything I download except for the stuff I download for family and friends.
And about my hdds. Did you know that hdds are very cheap nowadays? 3tb does it for me, I don't store everything I download on the hdds. I burn dvd-r and music to dvds and cds,
meaning I archive movies in dvd-r. 1080p movies are only being watched once and then I delete them. You get the idea.
Actually, it's 1024gb. :whistling:Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
Thanks for your thoughts.
Haha, good one squirr3l!
you learnt it to your cost :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by MATEE100That's why cheaters got banned :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Martinator
For the one cheating, or for the one being cheated? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by squirr3l
Well since you needed to make a thread about it explaining your Robin Hood complex and looking for acceptance, I'm guessing for the one cheating.
I never explained any Robin Hood complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night0wl
Someone else was talking something about Hood, not me.
No damage for sure. What can you damage with a small program that fakes ratio :D
you tell me :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
complexQuote:
Originally Posted by MenteurI never explained any Robin Hood complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night0wl
Someone else was talking something about Hood, not me.
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What do you call that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Oh and the fact you say it was more than two years ago in another post. It must have been eating you up inside.. so much in fact that you had to bring it up now.
I guess if he did it only once some time ago and since then he has been a good user and paid his debt to the community, he can be forgiven now.
Anyway, to conclude, ratio cheating is bad and harmful for the idea of sharing just like cheating is harmful for the trust inside a couple, so you should never use this way of keeping your ratio.
The underlined parts? I call them words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Night0wlWhat do you call that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Menteur
Oh and the fact you say it was more than two years ago in another post. It must have been eating you up inside.. so much in fact that you had to bring it up now.
I decided to create a different topic hence polarbear is missing in action.
Oi... just think about it: some are paying good money for seedboxes, some are seeding day and nite, others rip their own stuff to keep a decent ratio and you fucker use a shitty application to cheat ratio with the excuse that you leech a lot afterwards. Thsts a totally wrong conception mate. If you have a good connection as you pretend you do just keep seeding and stop shitin yourself. Many TB uploaded wont make your e-dick longer, comprendre? Sad that you havent been caught by now.
I thought about it, doesn't make any harm as far as I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovisan
Well, first of all, leeching a lot is not an excuse, secondly, I can't help if others are willing to pay for filesharing or whatever decision they make.
And for my bandwidth's sake, I have a fast connection down, not up.
in the end, menteur fit very well with cheater :whistling
Menteur: How long do you seed the torrents you download from a tracker you have been cheating on? I bet it's not 1:1, is it?
poser... :rolleyes:
So you don't have a fast line up, but still ratiocheating 1TB was enough to keep you a healthy buffer allowing you to download, what was it you said? 1TB a month minus the free leech, so at 3/4 counted and let's say half free leech, we still have at least 9TB - the 1TB you cheated, making 8TB uploaded in two years without counting buffer. Bad line my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by MenteurI thought about it, doesn't make any harm as far as I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovisan
Well, first of all, leeching a lot is not an excuse, secondly, I can't help if others are willing to pay for filesharing or whatever decision they make.
And for my bandwidth's sake, I have a fast connection down, not up.
Or are you just making up numbers as you go along?
note: that 3/4 is for simplicity sake as that wasn't in effect until less than 1 1/2 year ago.
Ok sad truth of the matter it does hurt the tracker. Many Trackers have levels of users the higher the upload and ratio the better user level you have and the better perks. Including getting invites. Now I know this brings up the age old issue of trading and non trading. But in my book if you have no issues with cheating then you have no issues with trading invites. Thusly in the end you hurt the tracker by your actions and further more you don't want to contribute to the site, by getting your epenis the traditional way by contributing and working to get it. As others have said here if you have the internet pipe you say you have then cheating shouldn't have been needed.