Are you mad at the Snitch??

I'm curious to know how you UK-T members feel about the guy that snitched you out to save his ass.

I personally hate his guts and would spit in his face for being such a fukin coward.
I mean he had the balls to make profits out of selling DVDs but he didn't have the balls to take the full punishment. I guess he believed that he was never going to be caught.

After all he had been a member in Uk-t for 4 years and all that time I'm guessing his relationship with the other staffers must have been very close. How could he go and rat them out so easy? He could have put them all through a lot of shit if they weren't fast enough to delete the database and records.

What's his name? From now on he should be referred to as "[insert name] The Rat"

"You never really know your friends from your enemies until the ice breaks”

Playing the devil's advocate here, if I was being investigated for gross copyright infringement with intent to profit (i.e. selling pirated DVDs) and had already been arrested, I'd be looking for ways to shorten my inevitable sentence too.

Yeah it sucks, but what's done is done. No point sitting around worrying about things you can't change.

Not mad at all. Most people would do the same. Getting people to roll over and give up their accomplices is something that law enforcement excels at.

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He could have put them all through a lot of shit if they weren't fast enough to delete the database and records.

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They would not have been fast enough. Chances are if he made a deal then he gave full cooperation in assisting them to gather all the evidence they could.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Playing the devil's advocate here, if I was being investigated for gross copyright infringement with intent to profit (i.e. selling pirated DVDs) and had already been arrested, I'd be looking for ways to shorten my inevitable sentence too.

Yeah it sucks, but what's done is done. No point sitting around worrying about things you can't change.

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This is the first time I have read any specifics, so I am assuming that what people in this thread are saying is true.

That said, the guy who was selling the "pirated" DVDs already broke a MAJOR ethical issue for many of us. This community is NOT about money, it is not about selling- it is about the sharing and communicating of information (and hopefully, the relationships we build in doing so).

Someone who is going to violate that ethical concept will have NO issue disrespecting any other relationship that he/she has ever had. I would argue that he/she was NEVER one of us. They were an outcast, a thief, a mongrel dog far BEFORE they infiltrated our community.

So, in a way, you are right ca_aok, IFF you were guilty of doing what "the Rat" did, there would be no reason NOT to turn on the community, the site, or your pretend friends- he/she NEVER belonged in the first place. This kind of low-life needs to be eradicated from our mix. They give the MPAA and the RIAA and anyone else who would wish to damage, or destroy, us the ammo to do so.

I've seen at least one staff member confirm that someone selling pirating DVDs was part of the site removal. As to the story about multiple staff arrests and such that Benjamin just told, I see no reason for him to lie but I've also seen no confirmations and it's a bit of a tall tale. It would explain the lack of info from staff though.

it's one thing to be caught with sharing warez/movies etc... it's entirely different when you get caught making money from it, as then you have crossed the line into federal territory which brings serious shit!

it's not surprising this guy would be cooperating by giving up his sources.. especially since the authorities are no strangers to UK-T.. isn't that the reason they went underground so to speak before? didn't get snagged with anything but it was a close call..

anyways, it doesn't bold well for them..

Thanks, ca_aok. What has been said here has a ring of truth to it. I believe there is an important lesson here in how important it is for each individual in the community to hold to standards. Anyone who thinks that we are all "essentially stealing" so we can just do whatever we want should think again.

Keep the money/profit out of sharing. It is NOT what we do; it is NOT who we are. That goes for individuals as well as sites. You know what you are doing, stop doing it! You are giving all of us a bad image- you are giving strength to those who want to end us.

the snitch = Bad-Day.

one of my source confirmed that he got released on parole few days ago.
no more informations were provided.

stay tuned.

I thought this was going to be about a recent poll here. :P

Anyways, about him snitching...well, you never know what you would do until you are in the hot seat. But, it was his own stupidity that brought him down. You don't sell pirated DVD's, that's foolish. So he had noone to blame but himself, so he should have taken the punishment.

And, he could have said that he obtained the dvd's from any public tracker, warez forums, newsgroups, etc. But he specifically named uk-t. Maybe he wanted to get the site in trouble for whatever reason.

None of us where their while he was interrogated we don't know what info the police have on him and what techniques they used to get him to speak.
Furthermore i assume that no one here (including myself) has aver been accused of any sort of crime and being interrogated by cops.
Yes he could of said a different tracker name but under the pressure he probably cracked and he told them the truth.
the sites gone now nothing you can do about it and that's the way of piracy or anything illegal in the end law enforcement will have the upper hand

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And, he could have said that he obtained the dvd's from any public tracker, warez forums, newsgroups, etc. But he specifically named uk-t. Maybe he wanted to get the site in trouble for whatever reason.

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perhaps, it does leave us to wonder about that as he could just as easily said he got his stuff from ScT, TL or SCC even.. :unsure:

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And, he could have said that he obtained the dvd's from any public tracker, warez forums, newsgroups, etc. But he specifically named uk-t. Maybe he wanted to get the site in trouble for whatever reason.

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perhaps, it does leave us to wonder about that as he could just as easily said he got his stuff from ScT, TL or SCC even.. :unsure:

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"Hey, I can hand you guys one of the most coveted and highly sought after trackers in the bittorrent world on a silver platter."

"Let's make a deal ;)"

Honestly look at it from the two completely opposite spectrums...

They fail with TPB (Not them in particular, but you know what I mean) which is one of the absolute behemoths in the bittorrent world. They can't make their point with it, it's still up and running. They're told they can be handed the polar opposite of TPB, one of the most private trackers out there. Well they're going to try to make their point that way.

This is of course pure speculation, but it isn't out of the bounds of possibilities.

And as for the snitch, it may have been a dick move, but it's just human nature. If he can save his own ass by turning over some people he knows from the internet, then of course he's going to do it, and don't deny that when you're looking at the remainder of your life being put in jeopardy by that criminal record that you wouldn't consider it yourself. This doesn't mean I endorse what he may or may not have done, but again, something I could see happening. You'd be surprised how little friendship means to many when it comes to their own well being.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

the snitch = Bad-Day.

one of my source confirmed that he got released on parole few days ago.
no more informations were provided.

stay tuned.

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Due to respect to uk-t the first time you open your mouth and sad all the shit you said, i did not reply, and again, you mention me ?
Wtf, cinephillia, are you black or white these days ?

If you want to open your mouth, .... so badly.... ---->>
, blow me :D

On topic, the old anonymous days, are probably returning... kill the snitch

Real life, literally is real life....if i ever owned a site, i'd never let that put my RL in jeopardy....
though i never came to know the complete story behind the tracker goin down, and even if i did, it wouldnt change things much...

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Originally Posted by jasperr

perhaps, it does leave us to wonder about that as he could just as easily said he got his stuff from ScT, TL or SCC even.. :unsure:

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"Hey, I can hand you guys one of the most coveted and highly sought after trackers in the bittorrent world on a silver platter."

"Let's make a deal ;)"

Honestly look at it from the two completely opposite spectrums...

They fail with TPB (Not them in particular, but you know what I mean) which is one of the absolute behemoths in the bittorrent world. They can't make their point with it, it's still up and running. They're told they can be handed the polar opposite of TPB, one of the most private trackers out there. Well they're going to try to make their point that way.

This is of course pure speculation, but it isn't out of the bounds of possibilities.

And as for the snitch, it may have been a dick move, but it's just human nature. If he can save his own ass by turning over some people he knows from the internet, then of course he's going to do it, and don't deny that when you're looking at the remainder of your life being put in jeopardy by that criminal record that you wouldn't consider it yourself. This doesn't mean I endorse what he may or may not have done, but again, something I could see happening. You'd be surprised how little friendship means to many when it comes to their own well being.

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think they would rather have taken down TL. than uk-t.

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Originally Posted by Karid

And as for the snitch, it may have been a dick move, but it's just human nature. If he can save his own ass by turning over some people he knows from the internet, then of course he's going to do it, and don't deny that when you're looking at the remainder of your life being put in jeopardy by that criminal record that you wouldn't consider it yourself. This doesn't mean I endorse what he may or may not have done, but again, something I could see happening. You'd be surprised how little friendship means to many when it comes to their own well being.

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Hi Karid,

I have enjoyed your recent insightful posts- both this one and the "better member" comments are very well thought out and articulated! I hope you continue to enjoy the discussions here. :)

While I don't disagree with your assessment in this post, the underlying (lack of) principles concerns me. And I understand that you are not talking about yourself, but expressing an attitude that is commonly out there.

I have always operated under the idea that when arrested you keep your mouth shut. Period. You will NEVER talk your way out of trouble. No matter how nice the cops seem to be, they are NOT your friend. They are doing their best to take away your freedoms or the freedoms of others- and are gathering evidence with every word you say. Even if they can "misinterpret" what you are saying, they can put it in their report. After that, good luck trying to convince a judge that "a sworn officer of the court" was wrong or manipulating what you said.

With that in mind, I will make the argument that in reality the police are not your friends. No one who gathers information on you and threatens your freedom will EVER be your friend! If someone is not your friend, do not help them in their tasks especially ones that will have dire consequences on others. There is honor in resistance under these circumstances.

If the person was a man or adult then they should have known what they were doing. They were the ones who signed up for the site and unless a complete idiot, they knew selling pirated material is illegal. They should take responsibility for their dumb ass actions and not throw another under the bus to slither their way out. No matter how much they were pressed or how much time they were "supposedly" facing which is probably exaggerated to make them talk.
Whatever agency arrested this person/people and all others try to make it seem like the end of the world with their scare tactic/lies and people break. I bet they did not even talk to lawyer before they opened their mouth. Whoever sold the Pirated material and was caught should have taken responsibility for their actions completely! will wake up everyday and see a rat in the mirror Filesharing is pretty much a victimless crime. These anti p2p agencies whatever it was are not rich as hell throwing the money they make and seizing property back into a crooked tax base that makes the rich get more money. A lot of music artists say P2p does not affect their profits. It is the $ hungry lawyers,anti filesharing companies that push things like this to get their (overpaid)cut of the clients money. I wasn't a member of the site nor was i ever but I do not like seeing people ruins others lives because they were too stupid. I do not know the person so I can't i am mad at them personally but at their actions. Could never claim to be a man again. A rat is a rat and will always be one.

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I have always operated under the idea that when arrested you keep your mouth shut. Period. You will NEVER talk your way out of trouble. No matter how nice the cops seem to be, they are NOT your friend. They are doing their best to take away your freedoms or the freedoms of others- and are gathering evidence with every word you say. Even if they can "misinterpret" what you are saying, they can put it in their report. After that, good luck trying to convince a judge that "a sworn officer of the court" was wrong or manipulating what you said.

With that in mind, I will make the argument that in reality the police are not your friends. No one who gathers information on you and threatens your freedom will EVER be your friend! If someone is not your friend, do not help them in their tasks especially ones that will have dire consequences on others. There is honor in resistance under these circumstances.

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Very well put^!

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

...I have always operated under the idea that when arrested you keep your mouth shut. Period. You will NEVER talk your way out of trouble. No matter how nice the cops seem to be, they are NOT your friend. They are doing their best to take away your freedoms or the freedoms of others- and are gathering evidence with every word you say. Even if they can "misinterpret" what you are saying, they can put it in their report. After that, good luck trying to convince a judge that "a sworn officer of the court" was wrong or manipulating what you said.

With that in mind, I will make the argument that in reality the police are not your friends. No one who gathers information on you and threatens your freedom will EVER be your friend! If someone is not your friend, do not help them in their tasks especially ones that will have dire consequences on others. There is honor in resistance under these circumstances.

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Excellent advice to use and have in life. Unfortunately, as mentioned before, people crack under pressure. Some person will read this and be arrested at some point for something and they will crack to the police bs because they can't hold their mud.

The key with the police is to have a plausible short answer so as to leave them to believe that you know nothing about any bigger fish to fry. The second they believe you they will leave you the hell alone. If you beat around the bush they will verbally beat (hopefully just verbally) the bush till there are no leaves left...They prey on the weak in their most weakest moments...Stay strong and be smart.

Back on the principle subject...I'm not sure that this whole story is 100% true and that the guy even snitched out anyone. Until someone straight up tells me I should be nervous I am going to roll on...

Have you guys been called up and interrogated by the police before? You won't know until you are there.

What we don't know is if he only snitched UK-T. Probably he had a lot of bookmarks on his browser...

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Have you guys been called up and interrogated by the police before? You won't know until you are there.

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Yes, I have. In California. And did 10 months on a 11/29 sentence (2 months longer than I should have due to loosing all my "good" time). I didn't just make shizzle up or pass what others have told me.

My advice will hopefully save someone the interrogation process or at least the vast majority of what it could be...

But like I said...Not everyone can handle the pressure...They have folded their hand, resided to the fact that they will say anything to try and lessen their potential sentence, and have become someone that is a puddle of mud before they even get to the station. Hopefully they will man or woman up while they sit in intake waiting to be booked (if they get the time or chance)...

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Have you guys been called up and interrogated by the police before? You won't know until you are there.

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three words: "call my lawyer"... then shut the fuck up.

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Have you guys been called up and interrogated by the police before? You won't know until you are there.

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three words: "call my lawyer"... then shut the fuck up.

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Yes I have. I kept my mouth shut when I was charged with something a friend had done. We got it sorted. I had his back, he had mine. Ultimately, neither of us were held accountable. It doesn't always work out so nicely, but we both kept our mouths shut when it was necessary.

Even if you do not have a lawyer, keep your mouth shut. But, yeah- get a GOOD one. Public defenders are worthless!

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Have you guys been called up and interrogated by the police before? You won't know until you are there.

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three words: "call my lawyer"... then shut the fuck up.

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Yes you can do that in Canada; try doing that stun in a 3rd world country.

I have been interrogated three times, once they threw me in isolation for what turned out to be only a few hours, before interrogating me. I never snitch and I can't stand those who do. One of the times, I covered for a friend, who crashed my car drunk, as much as I possibly could. All he had to do was also deny deny deny, but he cracked under pressure and admitted everything. Something I seriously didn't expect. He got a huge fine and his license suspended for letting the cops scare him into telling everything and also had to pay damages to both my and the other (parked) car he hit. Instead he could have kept his mouth shut and just reimbursed me for the raised insurance. I kept getting pulled over after that, for the simplest of things and fined, like no seatbelt, one busted license plate light etc.

Edit: BTW he had to say he took my car, because I of course would never admit he borrowed it. So add theft to the list of things he was fined for.

That is what talking to the cops does for you.

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three words: "call my lawyer"... then shut the fuck up.

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Yes you can do that in Canada; try doing that stun in a 3rd world country.

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That happened in the UK

bloody cat's arse pikey

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three words: "call my lawyer"... then shut the fuck up.

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Yes you can do that in Canada; try doing that stun in a 3rd world country.

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Yeah, Im pretty sure the UK isn't a third world country. But to expand on your hypothesis, in a third world country you wouldn't get arrested for some DVD's, they have bigger problems.

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Yes you can do that in Canada; try doing that stun in a 3rd world country.

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Yeah, Im pretty sure the UK isn't a third world country. But to expand on your hypothesis, in a third world country you wouldn't get arrested for some DVD's, they have bigger problems.

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Rest assured; yes, people do get arrested for selling DVD on the street corner. I personally know of one. (he did not give enough 'protection' money to the local police.):yup:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I've seen at least one staff member confirm that someone selling pirating DVDs was part of the site removal. As to the story about multiple staff arrests and such that Benjamin just told, I see no reason for him to lie but I've also seen no confirmations and it's a bit of a tall tale. It would explain the lack of info from staff though.

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That was just my version of how it went down, based on real information.

I've had my experiences with the police as a young kid, luckily my parents had an expensive lawyer who taught me never to talk to cops. Not everybody out there knows, you guys should appreciate the people here telling you information that may save your life one day.
I highly recommend these videos for everyone to watch.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

Back on topic, I think in any good crime, and yes piracy is a crime, loyalty should be a huge factor, and this guy had none. I am surprised though, usually sites host their servers in countries where nobody has jurisdiction, so even if every member snitches they would still be safe. I'm guessing UK-T overlooked this?

The sad part about being anonymous on the net is that you DON'T really feel loyalty. If you felt like you had to make money off DVD sales and got busted and the cops said "we'll reduce your sentence/ charges if you help us shut off the hose of dvd rips" then probably 90% would bail on their so called tight internet friends. That being said we all know the risks and yet choose a life of....file sharing so shame on all of us. Spend a night in jail and stare at a few hundred thousand dollar bill before you demonize this waste of human flesh.

Best advice given so far!

You just say lawyer,lawyer,lawyer or STFU until the lawyer gets there! Interrogations are to get people to talk about anything then they use it against the person, they twist words around. Where is the lawyer or walk the yard like a man. Only choice in my eyes.

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The sad part about being anonymous on the net is that you DON'T really feel loyalty. If you felt like you had to make money off DVD sales and got busted and the cops said "we'll reduce your sentence/ charges if you help us shut off the hose of dvd rips" then probably 90% would bail on their so called tight internet friends. That being said we all know the risks and yet choose a life of....file sharing so shame on all of us. Spend a night in jail and stare at a few hundred thousand dollar bill before you demonize this waste of human flesh.

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Is the principal of it and the persons idiotic actions. They deserve to go to jail (the bootleggers) not anyone else that they dragged into it to try and reduce a sentence. That is BS. As said, the person was no man! A slippery rat that will NEVER be respected wherever he/she goes! As all rats.

the thing that makes no sense to me about all of this is that he actually said uk-t was where he got it. anybody in uk-t could list off about 10 shitty public trackers or even something like torrentleech which the authorities already know about but have yet to close down. if i was given the option of a lesser sentence for telling police where i got the dvd's i would say the pirate bay or mininova and be done with it. im sure they couldnt search his apartment or home right away, tell them a lie and use your phone call to get a buddy to run over to your place and grab your computer. certain shit cant be lied about like it was obvious he burned dvd's and had the intention of selling them but pretty much every detail surrounding that could have been lied about and they couldnt have proven otherwise.

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the thing that makes no sense to me about all of this is that he actually said uk-t was where he got it. anybody in uk-t could list off about 10 shitty public trackers or even something like torrentleech which the authorities already know about but have yet to close down. if i was given the option of a lesser sentence for telling police where i got the dvd's i would say the pirate bay or mininova and be done with it. im sure they couldnt search his apartment or home right away, tell them a lie and use your phone call to get a buddy to run over to your place and grab your computer. certain shit cant be lied about like it was obvious he burned dvd's and had the intention of selling them but pretty much every detail surrounding that could have been lied about and they couldnt have proven otherwise.

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No. Turning on TL, mininova, or ANYONE else is just as cowardly and stupid. Just because UK-T was a liked (elitez) site does not mean it deserves more "protection". You keep your mouth shut regarding yourself AND everyone else. Period.

Don't try to fool yourself into thinking that ratting on anyone is EVER justified. Don't be a part of fucking ANYONE over.

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the thing that makes no sense to me about all of this is that he actually said uk-t was where he got it. anybody in uk-t could list off about 10 shitty public trackers or even something like torrentleech which the authorities already know about but have yet to close down. if i was given the option of a lesser sentence for telling police where i got the dvd's i would say the pirate bay or mininova and be done with it. im sure they couldnt search his apartment or home right away, tell them a lie and use your phone call to get a buddy to run over to your place and grab your computer. certain shit cant be lied about like it was obvious he burned dvd's and had the intention of selling them but pretty much every detail surrounding that could have been lied about and they couldnt have proven otherwise.

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COuld they allready have been infiltrated on uk ? And knew all about it, before they busted who ever they busted ?

i'm obviously late to the party but i'll still add a few things

clearly everyone here suggests that someone snitched uk-t but could it perhaps just be that they infiltrated his house, saw his utorrent or w/e and saw which sites he was dealing with? basically didn't even ask him but already found which sites (or in this case perhaps just uk-t) he was upping too?

also as much as I hate profiting from torrenting, its obvious that its more commonly occurring than what many of us may realize...that said, "snitching" others is just absurd and disgusting so if he did anything like that...shame on him really

yes, I've never dealt with police (thankfully) and hopefully never will but even if I did...I'd do all I can to make sure my mouth stays more than shut than open regardless of the circumstances

Doubt we will ever know what Really happened. Hopefully this snitch or unfortunate guy does not get any members or staff there in trouble and people learn from this.

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Due to respect to uk-t the first time you open your mouth and sad all the shit you said, i did not reply, and again, you mention me ?
Wtf, cinephillia, are you black or white these days ?

If you want to open your mouth, .... so badly.... ---->>
, blow me :D

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maybe it's just me but i feel a touch of bitterness.. :rolleyes:
anyhow i can understand... you must miss uk-t soooo much :console:

oh and i think i'm black!..... not sure though :unsure:

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Due to respect to uk-t the first time you open your mouth and sad all the shit you said, i did not reply, and again, you mention me ?
Wtf, cinephillia, are you black or white these days ?

If you want to open your mouth, .... so badly.... ---->>
, blow me :D

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maybe it's just me but i feel a touch of bitterness.. :rolleyes:
anyhow i can understand... you must miss uk-t soooo much :console:

oh and i think i'm black!..... not sure though :unsure:

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you are still white.... waiting for the real one to come back ( black cinephillia )

no hard feelings, im just messing whit you,,,
and yes, i like quiet places,,, that are easy to seed.

waiting for fl to come back,,,

So... who was the snitch