Boycott STN (Storethe.net) and Vizz (Vizz.tv) thread

STN and Vizz both sites have gone to the lengths to really become a security liability for the scene and all the file sharing society. If this trend continued then slowly but surly more sites would adopt it and thus harm the very base of this whole file sharing concept. With such business like activity Government Agencies and Departments are bound to be attracted towards them with added interest and in this process the entire scene and bittorrent horizon would be endangered. These sites are absolutely destroying all the moral grounds for file sharing.How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it. I request:-

To Users

It is time to unite against such sites and practices. Boycott STN and Vizz. Make negative and boycott threads like these on all the respective forums you have.

To The Scene

All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.

To The Forums, Blogs and News sites

Ban any mention of these sites on your forums. Don't write anything positive about them. Don't promote them.

They certainly need to be set adrift from our community. They are poison to anyone they are connected to. That includes members, sites, and "The Scene". Bad news!

However, I am not sold on the idea to share their personal info. Others may have different thoughts, but by doing so, once arrested they would be far more likely to share info on others or other sites. Bad karma if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

To The Scene

All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.

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The scene generally boycotts P2P and bittorrent trackers because of the reasons you stated. I don't think there's a need to address that. :)

The scene releases you see on every tracker were leaked and uploaded without approval. It's just that they can't control everyone who has access to their servers.


But of course you're right. Users should stay away from those sites.

lol the site appears to be swedish.
http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_ty..._search=Search

And from what I hear,APB doesn't mess around when it comes to piracy and if I was these guys I'd reconsider this P2L idea(https://tips.fbi.gov -they'd love those ftp links if you can find them-)

All in the topic of torrent sites though,he say she say them say I heard tells me that djgrr had his sct account deleted(lolfuckinwut! :lol:) :unsure:,wonder what's up with that,more so whether its a confirmation of the rumors and what people assumed all along :unsure::unsure: .If I was feeling I'd want to clarify this before more rumors and imagination get the best of people.

And today seems like a good day,kat stumbled upon a 2.6TB ftp with like 60% BD/BD+/BD++ flicks,now how fuckin rare of a find is that.Should probably start a blu-ray tracker with this shit just to see how long this e-peen thing can get.

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

STN and Vizz both sites have gone to the lengths to really become a security liability for the scene and all the file sharing society. If this trend continued then slowly but surly more sites would adopt it and thus harm the very base of this whole file sharing concept. With such business like activity Government Agencies and Departments are bound to be attracted towards them with added interest and in this process the entire scene and bittorrent horizon would be endangered. These sites are absolutely destroying all the moral grounds for file sharing.How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it. I request:-

To Users

It is time to unite against such sites and practices. Boycott STN and Vizz. Make negative and boycott threads like these on all the respective forums you have.

To The Scene

All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.

To The Forums, Blogs and News sites

Ban any mention of these sites on your forums. Don't write anything positive about them. Don't promote them.

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Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.:dry:

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work.

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I would LOVE to see some scenenotice pwnage come from the scene for these two sites, I hope it happens before they make too much profit.

lol seems like this thing is working these motherfuckers are already chickening out,APB is coming to get ya you lickle faggots!

By the time I was posting,the site was open for public sign ups,now they've closed it to prevent the feds and the APB from signing up(and are probably going to ban those who registered at around the time khan made this thread lol)

more links:
http://www.mpaa.org/ReportPiracy/ReportPiracy.aspx
https://www.riaa.com/reportpiracy.php

Piracy is very illegal in sweden,cashing in on it as I hear makes a capital offence.These guys are stupid enough to go the money way yet too careless that a simple (but l33+) whois easily yields names,phone numbers and addresses that easily lead to them.
If you wanna know the name of the person that the site is registered to,just go to my earlier whois link and click on admin-c.You can even give him a ring if you want ;)

I don't boycott anything just because someone says so. If the sites are shit, I won't use them. I don't/haven't used some good sites just because of habit with others.

As for the Swedish IP. The frontend is hosted from a Swedish VPS but the tracker data and seedboxes are at OVH.

And as I said elsewhere, the owners are sceners who have been running p2l ftp topsites for a while.

there are quite a lot of ways to make an interpretation of this, but one of the ones that come to my mind is that it will most probably be targeted by authorities as a declared site to profit out of piracy.
And one major evidence is that everyone there is a "customer".

Too dangerous for me. I won't touch it with a pole.

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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder

As for the Swedish IP. The frontend is hosted from a Swedish VPS but the tracker data and seedboxes are at OVH.

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Yeah just saw that and from what I've read,it appears as though this host of theirs specialises in this line of work lol.
It says from their website that they'd go to any length to protect their customers.
http://www.prq.se/?intl=1
Given that assurance I'd re-open sign ups if I was them,more people=more money.APB aint gonna do shit if the host refuses to hand in evidence.

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Originally Posted by sez

It says from their website that they'd go to any length to protect their customers.
http://www.prq.se/?intl=1
Given that assurance I'd re-open sign ups if I was them,more people=more money.APB aint gonna do shit if the host refuses to hand in evidence.

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prq was started with the motive to host the pirate bay, created and administrated by the very same guys. In other words, prq = tpb. It was later they started offering hosting services to customers. Anyways, the point is that we all know what happened to tpb a few years ago, prq was raided and the responsible guys were prosecuted. So the claim that "APB aint gonna do shit" isn't really true.

First of all thanks to all those who supported the idea to discourage such sites. By doing this we are actually protecting the other really great torrent sites. We have already lost a few big ones.

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

To The Scene

All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.

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The scene generally boycotts P2P and bittorrent trackers because of the reasons you stated. I don't think there's a need to address that. :)

The scene releases you see on every tracker were leaked and uploaded without approval. It's just that they can't control everyone who has access to their servers.


But of course you're right. Users should stay away from those sites.

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Apparently it looks so but deep down there, there is some bridge between the scene and the bit-torrent. If it was not so then sites like SCT, SCC, GFT would not have been possible. Look at the regular great pretimes of these sites. It is not leakage but a planned access to the source. Let us look at this in another way. Let us assume that the scene is not happy with the torrent sites in reality. But why?. Because they feel more exposed due to their releases being uploaded on torrent sites. The worst case is Public Trackers. Now come to the case of STN and Vizz. Both of these are trying to run their trackers like retail businesses. This is an alarming trend. With the success of these sites prepare yourself for a mushroom growth of such sites on large scale overnight. All that activity would generate unwanted interest from many unwanted people and Agencies etc etc. So these are really a greater threat for the scene.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.:dry:

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work.

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Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it.

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The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.

And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder

I don't boycott anything just because someone says so.

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I have not just said but gave ample reasons for my saying so if the reason or logic was wrong then prove it or counter it. But if the reasons/logic was correct then why you don't accept it.Are you illogical.

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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder

If the sites are shit, I won't use them. I don't/haven't used some good sites just because of habit with others.

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If this trend continues I am afraid you would not have the luxury of doing so. Whether the sites are shit or not you would have to use it for some time because you had already made advnace payment for it.

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.:dry:

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work.

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Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it.

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The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.

And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

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I don't see how I took the quotes out of context.How' is this for a generalization, people who file share are thieves , people who operate trackers are greater thieves still and sceners are the greatest thieves of intellectual property of all.
Fuck you make it sound like STN is alone their guilt and the rest of us are just good old boys who have nothing to be ashamed of.

Btw the scene is not an altruistic entity blessing us with it's generosity.There are some seriously bad people involved .Some who would gladly see you rot in Hell if it served their egos and helped move them up the food chain a little.
The scene also as a whole hates file shares and any scener who leaks to a tracker I am fairly confident does so purely with some "personal gain" in mind

While I'm at it here's another out of context manglement for you to stew on.

"And about the scene entertainment industry's hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding creating, crackingdistributing , reversingdesigning etc etc. And then people like STN the scene and Vizz bt trackers come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger ( of financial failure) in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

OK most trackers don't do it for the money but nevertheless can't you see the hypocrisy that you are spouting here ?"

stn or usenet, your choice.

mwahhaha

1º buy 1 invite to ********************************
2´rent a seedbox to use on *********************************************************
3º you will spend less cash on usenet or stn, in comparision to **************************************************

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Originally Posted by Bad-Day

stn or usenet, your choice.

mwahhaha

1º buy 1 invite to ********************************
2´rent a seedbox to use on *********************************************************
3º you will spend less cash on usenet or stn, in comparision to **************************************************

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4. Spend no cash and get on one of the other ratio-free sites.

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Originally Posted by failing

sct needs boycoting if they keep this shit up, month after month
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3779/failing.jpg

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lol I'd go live on a yacht with that kind of income(and its not even end month yet so x2 that :lol: ).
Would probably get some playboy bunnies as well and take them with me on a get naked trip to those european countries that only rich people know about(usually with alot of consonants,can't even pronounce them).Its actually what l33+ carders do(but the stories always have a sad ending).

I'd physically follow formula 1 as well G-fiveing from continent to continent just like a real l33+.
I'd also upgrade my dreams to HD and FLAC respectively.

And just to remind myself that its not legal money,I'd use the rest to setup a ponzi scheme possibly in partnership with an NYU graduate whom I hear are darn good at this.

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Originally Posted by sez

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Originally Posted by failing

sct needs boycoting if they keep this shit up, month after month
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3779/failing.jpg

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lol I'd go live on a yacht with that kind of income(and its not even end month yet so x2 that :lol: ).
Would probably get some playboy bunnies as well and take them with me on a get naked trip to those european countries that only rich people know about(usually with alot of consonants,can't even pronounce them).Its actually what l33+ carders do(but the stories always have a sad ending).

I'd physically follow formula 1 as well G-fiveing from continent to continent just like a real l33+.
I'd also upgrade my dreams to HD and FLAC respectively.

And just to remind myself that its not legal money,I'd use the rest to setup a ponzi scheme possibly in partnership with an NYU graduate whom I hear are darn good at this.

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If you look on the News page on ScT, you will see why they need that money. :dry:

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I don't see how I took the quotes out of context.How' is this for a generalization, people who file share are thieves , people who operate trackers are greater thieves still and sceners are the greatest thieves of intellectual property of all.
Fuck you make it sound like STN is alone their guilt and the rest of us are just good old boys who have nothing to be ashamed of.

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I think your mind is not clear about the whole filesharing concept. It is beneficial to the society if governed by some morals, ethics and rules.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Btw the scene is not an altruistic entity blessing us with it's generosity.There are some seriously bad people involved .Some who would gladly see you rot in Hell if it served their egos and helped move them up the food chain a little.
The scene also as a whole hates file shares and any scener who leaks to a tracker I am fairly confident does so purely with some "personal gain" in mind.

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Thanks for saying so that is the reason I am against STN and Vizz. If you let practices like these to continue freely then one day there would be another IdolEyes on another forum saying "There are some seriously bad people involved in bittorrent." That is ironic you attack bad peoples there but you defend them here.

I agree with you when you say some bad people are there but some very good people are also there. Let us condemn both the bad people here and there. Let us praise the good people of here and there.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

While I'm at it here's another out of context manglement for you to stew on.
"And about the scene entertainment industry's hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding creating, crackingdistributing , reversingdesigning etc etc. And then people like STN the scene and Vizz bt trackers come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger ( of financial failure) in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.
OK most trackers don't do it for the money but nevertheless can't you see the hypocrisy that you are spouting here ?"

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There are some problems in your understanding of this whole file sharing thing. I consider file sharing or sharing any thing with others as a feature of a really developed, exceptionally advanced society. The problem is a lack of understanding and low standards of intellectualism. If you share a file without harming the sales of a particular commodity then actually you are helping the society.I would clarify this by an example.Let us assume a producer make a movie. He achieves his targeted income including income from cinemas and video release. If the same movie is also released on torrent sites there would be additional viewers of the movie without harming anyone. Many people would get benefit but there would be no loss for anyone. But if the realease of the movie on torrent sites actually harms the income of that producer then he has every right not to be pleased with it. Now as a civilized people living in a society it should be our duty to act in a way to not harm that particular person responsible for the making of that movie. If a torrenter after seeing this movie buys it then that is additional income for that producer. If a potential buyer of that movie get it via the torrent sites and don't buy it then this is the loss. Now here comes the responsibility of the people involved in file sharing. We should encourage the users to actually buy the products they liked after viewing or testing it after downloading from a torrent site. In that way we would be actually making positive impacts on the sales of a particular commodity. Let me give you fictitious analysis to clear the idea to you. Take the above example of the movie:-
suppose it has 10000 potential buyers and all of them buy the product. The actual producer would get his targeted income. Now after the release of the movie on bittorrent there would be additional viewers of the movie as it would be provided to them free. Let us further suppose if the movie was not provided to them for free they would not have bothered to view it. Suppose some of these free viewers like the movie and actually buy it. What would happen! ... There would be additional sales which means additional income for the businesses.

If you let people like STN and Vizz to do what they like they would get the money from that bittorrent user who is also a potential buyer of the movie after viewing it. Now these potential buyer would be reluctant to buy the actual product as they would have already paid for it.

I am acually hoping for a future scenario in which educated and good people run the torrent sites and they make attempts to inform their users the necessity of buying the actual products by adopting measure like putting message "Buy it if you like it" on each torrent detailed page or anything like it. They would be actually helping the society in that way. That would lead to greater sales, greater satisfaction for the people who would get greater range of products for free and so on. In that case the surveys and analysis would suggest to the governments and businesses that filesharing is actually beneficial to them and there would be a time when it would no longer be considered as illegal. I think now there should be no doubts in your mind about file sharing.

^^ well put.Embracing the spirit of the scene.

i wouldnt give a dime to those sites..

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Originally Posted by susiserken

i wouldnt give a dime to those sites..

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i wouldn't give a dime to any site they only payment would be only to pay my internet access

My understanding of the whole file sharing thing is fairly clear.I realize that in some cases that it proves beneficial to the artists involved, although I think you would be hard pressed to find many cases outside music where the cost to the creator outweighed the loss.
But that is entirely beside the point.As it stands the distribution of material protected by copyright is against the law most places and morality and ethnics aside by "thief" that's all I was saying there.

As for this statement

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I agree with you when you say some bad people are there but some very good people are also there. Let us condemn both the bad people here and there. Let us praise the good people of here and there

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I think that my use of the word "some" would have made it apparent that it wasn't a blanket condemnation and I am quit willing to praise a good altruistic scener just as soon as I have the pleasure of meeting one.

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suppose it has 10000 potential buyers and all of them buy the product. The actual producer would get his targeted income. Now after the release of the movie on bittorrent there would be additional viewers of the movie as it would be provided to them free. Let us further suppose if the movie was not provided to them for free they would not have bothered to view it. Suppose some of these free viewers like the movie and actually buy it. What would happen! ... There would be additional sales which means additional income for the businesses

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You seem to lack a basic understanding of commerce specifically and humanity in general.
The whole process of production is based on getting the greatest return on your product and not meeting some fictitious "I'm satisfied ,I'm rich enough now and I will happily quit" line.Why? Simply because the producer is not only answerable to him/her/themselves but also to their investors
If producer A generates X amount of dollars for said investors but producer B generates 2X amount for them where do you think their money is going to go next time?.
Find me a producer who is satisfied with less and you will find me a failed producer.

As for people trying before they buy ,I don't have the exact figures but I am pretty sure it's a landslide towards the "got it for free, screw the Man " side.:dabs:If you can change that I am willing to accede to all your arguments

Well said^^.

I, personally, have no illusions in what I'm doing when I download another movie/album/game/etc. I am fully aware that I am depriving a content provider of potential revenue. If not for freely available files on the Internet, I would definitely be spending more on movies/music/games/etc. I definitely do not "file share" because I feel like sharing something with random people. Not to say that I don't share, I've uploaded literally thousands of ebooks/music/movies to various trackers, but it is definitely not the driving force behind my piracy.

I'm sorry OP, but your opening statements seem incredibly naive. I really don't think these two sites could possibly attract more attention to BT trackers than TPB already has, who I'm sure generate much more revenue than STN or Vizz ever could. And, I wouldn't go so far as to state that they are selling other people's property. As far as I can tell they are simply offering membership for a fee. It's not really that different than the means used by other more popular trackers to generate revenue. I mean, I've seen numerous people here in these forums actually encourage those looking for a specific tracker to pay someone to buy the invite from the tracker, which will remain nameless, for $20 (or whatever the actual cost is).

I personally wouldn't pay for STN's or Vizz's service, but I'm sure there are quite a few people (read 1000s) who would jump at this chance. Especially in the case of STN, who it seems provide something distinct from most other trackers, nearly direct scene access. That is, if their claims in regard to requests are true.

If it's true that the group that runs STN also runs a number of P2L topsites, it actually seems like a logical extension for STN to go this route...a scene topsite accessed via BT, essentially.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

You seem to lack a basic understanding of commerce specifically and humanity in general.
The whole process of production is based on getting the greatest return on your product and not meeting some fictitious "I'm satisfied ,I'm rich enough now and I will happily quit" line.Why? Simply because the producer is not only answerable to him/her/themselves but also to their investors
If producer A generates X amount of dollars for said investors but producer B generates 2X amount for them where do you think their money is going to go next time?.
Find me a producer who is satisfied with less and you will find me a failed producer.

As for people trying before they buy ,I don't have the exact figures but I am pretty sure it's a landslide towards the "got it for free, screw the Man " side.:dabs:If you can change that I am willing to accede to all your arguments

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We can try to change it and if not then at least can think about it. You should read my previous post carefully I have talked about educating the people about the correct way of filesharing. I have talked about trackers posting messages like "buy it if you like it" etc etc. This may bring the change or vice versa. I never tire to think positively well some people never tire to think negatively also!

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Originally Posted by emperorIX

Well said^^.

I, personally, have no illusions in what I'm doing when I download another movie/album/game/etc. I am fully aware that I am depriving a content provider of potential revenue. If not for freely available files on the Internet, I would definitely be spending more on movies/music/games/etc. I definitely do not "file share" because I feel like sharing something with random people. Not to say that I don't share, I've uploaded literally thousands of ebooks/music/movies to various trackers, but it is definitely not the driving force behind my piracy.

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When I download and then seed back a file i actually share it whether I think so or not.

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Originally Posted by emperorIX

I personally wouldn't pay for STN's or Vizz's service,

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May I ask why?

Thinking we will see another "what happened to stn or vizz" thread with members bitching about donations and how they lost $ donating to them. Don't join and let them do them. If your not a member what is there to boycott?

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Originally Posted by pone44

Thinking we will see another "what happened to stn or vizz" thread with members bitching about donations and how they lost $ donating to them. Don't join and let them do them. If your not a member what is there to boycott?

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At present we would very soon be seeing threads like "How to delete my account on STN and Vizz". They are refusing to delete the accounts of their members. If the authorities find about the members who subscribed I don't know a single clause of law which would protect them from fines up to the extent of thousands of dollars/pounds.

Caution to parents! Check your young children activities if they had signed on these sites you would be in serious potential danger.

What clause(s) of law are you relying upon to find the "subscribers" are liable?

Well if they are charged as direct contributors to the finance of this site and which they in fact are if they subscribed then it is not the question of finding the clause which charge them but rather they one which saves them and there is no such thing. They would be treated as partners/helpers of the site admins/staff/mods etc.

You seem to have some idea of the law, but not nearly enough for me to bother explaining why you're wrong.

lol! ok you tell me why they would not be charged?

You seem to have some idea of the law, but not nearly enough for me to bother explaining why you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder

You seem to have some idea of the law, but not nearly enough for me to bother explaining why you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder

You seem to have some idea of the law, but not nearly enough for me to bother explaining why you're wrong.

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Congratulations! you have succeeded in producing identical twins! :hooray:

You seem to have some idea of reproduction, but not nearly enough for me to bother explaining why you're wrong.

Ok you win :cry:

wow idoleyes ,that's some good reading, there 'was' a site called storethe.net but it was (more) evil and eventually ,I guess, not tolerated by the community

and we're all thieves damned thieves

[edit] but your diction is *alot* better these days, congrats

Damn, this stuff is old. :smilie4:

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Originally Posted by anon

Damn, this stuff is old. :smilie4:

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I hope it's starts a new trend where barely active members pointlessly bump old threads to post stuff no one understands.

lol, I just had to comment after reading such interesting conversations *no matter how old*

damn , i thought that storethe.net was back :(