Overcloacking Questions

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10-13-2003, 01:16 AM
Pho3niX

ok so i just saw the adamp2p post:

My Aquamark Score, Radeon 9500 non-pro soft mod to pro

wich make me think that overcloaking migth actually be good....

Afterwhat i read the post of the perfect moron who ruined his radeon 9800 by trying to attach a fan cooler on it so i dont want to be the next moron who kill his card trying to ovgercloack it. From the desciption of adamp2p it was maily about installing a new set of overcloaker friendly driver and using some software tweaking utility.

Then i read another topic about the new ATI cataclysm 3.8... i remember to have seen a screen about that when i installed the new ati driver

So here are my quesions

1 does it worth overcloaking a radeon 9800 pro... is there more pro than cons... what are the wrost possible senario

2 so if i decide to proceed is there ressource on what i need to know ... from the adamp2p post i learn about a rage3d forum and some 3d videocard tweaker app ... is there presset of recomamded overcloack setting for an my videocard
or should i tweak by incrementing step by step till

3 is there anything i need to know before i waste 350 dollar worth of graphic card :( any comment or even someone who kindly yell at me RTFM ;) What do i loose if i use the moded Omega driver rather than official one

i do think i'll be good to face the overhead cauzed by that as my system has a pretty good air cooling system ... of course its not as good as the water cooling or even as those who literaly have a frezzer in that open box that they call a computer

if you are interested a bit here'S my comp ... i like the case everything has space between and we need no tool to change hardware
http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/p...3&~tab=viewstab

well as you probably discover i'm a long time readear and i post only a few time ... usualy in the development forum
10-13-2003, 01:34 AM
adamp2p

OK, dude, hold your horses...

I would think that is you've already got a 9800 Pro, you would have little *need to overclock! However, don't let me dissuade you...

Why don't you run the Aquamark3 bench and post your score?

The only reason why I overclocked my card in the first place was because I was not satisfied with my results at the default clock and because I knew I would not damage anything.

If your card does not do what you need it to do at its default clock, then overclocking is a free performance boost.
10-13-2003, 02:08 AM
Pho3niX

well i had a score of 5425 in the new 3d mark and wondered how someone with less ram / same cpu / same gpu caould have 1000 more .... however something bad hapened ... after i install a new direct x, ati driver and antivirus my score droped to 2000 even if i disabel that antivirus :(

i was most probably doing that for fun and becauz playing halo at a higer resolution that 640*480 can make lag my 2.8gh, 1gig ram machine
10-13-2003, 04:31 AM
adamp2p

whats your aquamark score though?
10-13-2003, 04:50 AM
Wolfmight

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Originally posted by Pho3niX@12 October 2003 - 20:08
well i had a score of 5425 in the new 3d mark and wondered how someone with less ram / same cpu / same gpu caould have 1000 more .... however something bad hapened ... after i install a new direct x, ati driver and antivirus my score droped to 2000 even if i disabel that antivirus :(

i was most probably doing that for fun and becauz playing halo at a higer resolution that 640*480 can make lag my 2.8gh, 1gig ram machine

he mighta lied.
did he have his official stats on 3dmark03's website to prove?
10-13-2003, 05:25 AM
adamp2p

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Originally posted by Wolfmight+13 October 2003 - 05:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wolfmight @ 13 October 2003 - 05:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pho3niX@12 October 2003 - 20:08
well i had a score of 5425 in the new 3d mark and wondered how someone with less ram / same cpu / same gpu caould have 1000 more .... however something bad hapened ... after i install a new direct x, ati driver and antivirus my score droped to 2000 even if i disabel that antivirus :(

i was most probably doing that for fun and becauz playing halo at a higer resolution that 640*480 can make lag my 2.8gh, 1gig ram machine

he mighta lied.
did he have his official stats on 3dmark03's website to prove? [/b][/quote]
you have a point. is it not great that aquamark page, eh? We see who's bluffing and who's not (what's about abu?)
10-13-2003, 05:58 AM
imported_Catracho

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Originally posted by adamp2p@13 October 2003 - 05:31
whats your aquamark score though?

How do u get the aquamark scores? I downloaded aquamark and installed it but when i run it, it doesnt work. Nothing happanes well the screen is black with a white square on the upper right hand corner. any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

http://catracho.250free.com/untitled.JPG
10-13-2003, 06:10 AM
Wolfmight

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Originally posted by Catracho+12 October 2003 - 23:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Catracho @ 12 October 2003 - 23:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-adamp2p@13 October 2003 - 05:31
whats your aquamark score though?

How do u get the aquamark scores? I downloaded aquamark and installed it but when i run it, it doesnt work. Nothing happanes well the screen is black with a white square on the upper right hand corner. any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

http://catracho.250free.com/untitled.JPG [/b][/quote]
redownload it.. probably currupt or something.

I think the 9800 Pro is fast enough for todays games.. Going any faster will just make your score higher.. and help 3D CG Animation rendering go faster.

turn off that Nvidia Logo.. might be conflicting.
(There's a way to turn it off in display> nvidia settings..)
10-13-2003, 06:54 AM
abu_has_the_power

did someone say my name? wat's goin on? and btw dude, ur card is more than enough. don't oc it. play it safe. i'm only ocing cuz i get the same temp as if i don't oc, so i'm cool, but i go very slowly

i wouldn't recommend ocing ur monster. maybe ur cpu, but ur 9800 is fine
10-13-2003, 01:57 PM
Pho3niX

well strait out of the box here's the score ... there's definitively room for improvement

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...nID=1523572861
10-13-2003, 02:07 PM
abu_has_the_power

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Originally posted by Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 13:57
well strait out of the box here's the score ... there's definitively room for improvement

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...nID=1523572861

there's always room for improvement. some dude with wc oced his P4 2.4 ghz to 4.0

he's out of his mind. my 2.4 is @ 2.6
that's it for now

maybe higher when i get better cooling
10-13-2003, 02:10 PM
DarthInsinuate

IMO overclock if you know the risks and how to reduce them, because overclocking is fun.

If you can run games at least at sensible frame rates (20-ish) there isn't really a need to push the card - if you want to know what happens when you want to go faster than your hardware will allow refer to the JATO car story.
10-13-2003, 03:22 PM
Pho3niX

well i got a nice boost almost 10 000 more point only for changig to the omega driver

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...nID=1524665151

now i have 324 of core and 283.5 of memory what can be resonable value of how much i can higer them... should i augment all those by the same % like 10% more for each or is there one that we can augment more than the other

anywais tanks fool... i alwais imagined that overcloaking impleyed doing modification to the actuall hardware rather than driver / software
10-13-2003, 03:59 PM
DarthInsinuate

Quote:

Originally posted by Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 15:22
now i have 324 of core and 283.5 of memory what can be resonable value of how much i can higer them... should i augment all those by the same % like 10% more for each or is there one that we can augment more than the other

memory speed should go higher than core speed - the way i o/c my card was take the memory speed as high as it could go then the core after
10-13-2003, 04:15 PM
Pitbul

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Originally posted by DarthInsinuate+13 October 2003 - 08:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DarthInsinuate @ 13 October 2003 - 08:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 15:22
now i have 324 of core and 283.5 of memory what can be resonable value of how much i can higer them... should i augment all those by the same % like 10% more for each or is there one that we can augment more than the other

memory speed should go higher than core speed - the way i o/c my card was take the memory speed as high as it could go then the core after [/b][/quote]
yup i OC'ed my card its just a 5200 and i raised each by 10 MHz and it runs fine. but the memory runs faster for a reason if you dont keep them at the same ratio your only cutting performance before you freely oc you should look up people who have OC'ed 9800's on review sites like tomshardware or hardocp.com
10-13-2003, 04:18 PM
gamer

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Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+13 October 2003 - 14:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 13 October 2003 - 14:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 13:57
well strait out of the box here's the score ... there's definitively room for improvement

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...nID=1523572861

there's always room for improvement. some dude with wc oced his P4 2.4 ghz to 4.0

he's out of his mind. my 2.4 is @ 2.6
that's it for now

maybe higher when i get better cooling [/b][/quote]
so im out of my mind for pushin my athlon xp 3000 from 2.1567ghz to 2.6ghz? and im also crazy for pushin the core up by 200 and my memory speed up by 150 on my radeon 9800 pro? temps are pretty cold. the athlon is at 35 idle, and 40 full load, and the radeon is about 28 idle and 35 full load. as long as your temp is decently cool, overclocking is awsome. im living proof. enjoy your radeon also, its the like the best gfx card is the world!
10-13-2003, 09:28 PM
Pho3niX

Quote:

memory speed should go higher than core speed - the way i o/c my card was take the memory speed as high as it could go then the core after

hmm i have a default value of 324 for core and 284 for memory ?? unless the integrated oveclocker / tweaker in omega driver set mix up the memory and core column

Quote:

you should look up people who have OC'ed 9800's on review sites like tomshardware or hardocp.com

i am dumb or cant i find anything about that ... i'm lost under page of news / review but no such thing as step by step instruction nor recomanded values
10-13-2003, 09:37 PM
adamp2p

Okay, Phenonix, I take that back, you aren't full of it.

However, that is a poor score for your card. I am sure that you probably have way too many services running. Have you ever been to www.blackviper.com?

I scored 37,000 with a Radeon 9500 non pro mod to pro. Your score, for your CPU and gfx card totally sucks. Let me ask you this: have you reformatted your hard drive since you got your computer from Dell? Oh, and how much did pay for your system.

But thank for posting your score, as it consequently listed your specs. Welcome to hardwareworld. B)
10-13-2003, 09:42 PM
adamp2p

Quote:

Originally posted by Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 16:22
well i got a nice boost almost 10 000 more point only for changig to the omega driver

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...nID=1524665151

now i have 324 of core and 283.5 of memory what can be resonable value of how much i can higer them... should i augment all those by the same % like 10% more for each or is there one that we can augment more than the other

anywais tanks fool... i alwais imagined that overcloaking impleyed doing modification to the actuall hardware rather than driver / software

Sorry Phenoix, I did not see that score. Much better. You see that that score is what I get maxed out on my card.

Download Rage3d tweak

It is a freeware. It has an overclocking utilt built in. So does the Omega driver set.

read this whole article too

and follow this free guide (read the whole thing) to tweak your system to the max

Oh, and be careful with overclocking your memory. You can be much more liberal with your core clock speeds.

an example of a safe overclock

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Sapph...adapter-oc.jpg

read this article too

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. The memory clock was almost locked at 370 Mhz as I could not achieve anything higher than 370, but the core clock speed was the most surprising of all, able to run at 472 Mhz without a problem, an increase of 92 Mhz!

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With our card running at 472/370, we were able to increase our score 792 3dmarks all the way up to 6175! A very very impressive overclock, especially when coupled with the fact that we were using stock cooling and there were no ramsinks on the card.

make sure that you disable vertical sync!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/extreme/g7.gif

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/extreme/g8.gif

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/dis...extreme_14.html

read it
10-13-2003, 09:55 PM
adamp2p

Quote:

Originally posted by Pho3niX@13 October 2003 - 02:16

Then i read another topic about the new ATI cataclysm 3.8... i remember to have seen a screen about that when i installed the new ati driver

while a cataclysm is "a momentous and violent event marked by overwhelming upheaval and demolition" (Webster's Dictionary)

:lol:
10-14-2003, 11:07 PM
Wolfmight

I say.. overclocking gaining you an extra 10 fps is worth it.
Also, rage3d tweak has a way to switch back to normal clock settings while your computer goes into sleep mode.. Pretty Slick Idea There.. ;)
10-15-2003, 12:18 AM
adamp2p

Quote:

Originally posted by Wolfmight@15 October 2003 - 00:07
I say.. overclocking gaining you an extra 10 fps is worth it.
Also, rage3d tweak has a way to switch back to normal clock settings while your computer goes into sleep mode.. Pretty Slick Idea There.. ;)

Even better: after running your game for an hour or so, go take a leak, but go to the rage3d overclocker and restore default clock. You dont even have to restart. Nifty, eh?