What Cpu Should I Buy

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10-20-2003, 04:38 AM
Keikan

OK as you can see down you can see the words PROCESSER PENDING
thats because i have no idea of waht processer to buy! It's taking me 6 months to figure out the answer.

Now I'm on a budjet with these in mind ($1500 with tax)

Heat Sink: Depends if amd is choosen ($40)
RAM: Samsung/Infineon Chip 512MB PC-3200 (400MHz) DDR $125 (2)
VC: ATI Original Radeon 9600PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP ( Retail Box ) $269
SC: Creative Sound Blaster PCI128 4.1 $30
NIC: Realtek 10/100 PCI Network Card $14
HDD: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 2MB Cache IDE $109
RW: LG 48X/16X CDRW/DVD-ROM Combo (Beige) $81
FDD: Panasonic 1.44MB Floppy Drive (Beige) $20
KB: PS/2 Keyboard $15
Mouse: Microsoft IntelliOptical USB Mouse $45
Spk: Stereo Speakers $9
Case: IC Basic $25
PS: Standard 300W Power Supply $39
Display: LG 17" 700S Beige CRT $175
War: 3 Year Labour & 2 Year Parts Depot Warranty ( 3&2 Depot Warranty ) $25

Intel pentium 4 2.4ghz + asus p4s800 with the stuff up there and no retail heatsink i go 100 dollars over budjet

AMD = ?????? (No idea) Everyone says "ohh ohh amd is cheaper blablablabla etc."
But how come i can't get a good processer with my budjet!?
Even lamsey's guide says "good value" but i jsut don't see it

I was thinking of the athlon xp 2500+barton but it seems kinda low?? i mean i'm not rich i can't upgrade every year but i wanna meet the system requirements of games so i can atleast play them and i wanna meet the minimum system requirements for game for atleast 2 years. i know right now the miniumums are 700mhz-1gig+ processer while begining of the year it was 450mhz-700mhz
the next step is the 2800+ which is $279 wooooooh pricey. So i don't see the value of amd.

so in conclusion pending processer = i still don't know.

What do you think?

and NO:

internet shopping, tv shopping, mail order, phone order, anything that has to do with give your credit card number away and results in shipping

i can always downgrade with an asus v9520 videosuite geforcefx 5200 8x agp vivo is that card any good?

Your probably thinking "no keikan not again!!!"
10-20-2003, 04:42 AM
adamp2p

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@20 October 2003 - 05:38

VC: ATI Original Radeon 9600PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP ( Retail Box ) $269

What? That's a rip off.

And your whole rant about AMD makes no sense. If you want an affordable system stick with AMD, or you can go the proprietary route and get some Dell that you can never upgrade.

If you want to throw your money down the tubes, you go and buy that Intel 2.4 chip. I will laugh at your idiocy (I like that word).
10-20-2003, 04:48 AM
Keikan

http://keikan.250free.com/barton.jpg
10-20-2003, 06:07 AM
Virtualbody1234

As has been discussed before. The 2500+ is fast and you won't see much difference if you go faster, even 3200+, unless you run benchmarks.

Don't be fooled by all the hype of the higher CPU speeds. Save your cash and you will see that the faster ones will drop in price to the point that you can get a 3200+ or faster for less than their current price minus the current price of the 2500+. So in effect you end up with both CPUs for less than buying the fast one now.

I'm also quite confident that the 2500+ will do anything you want it to and pretty fast too.

With the difference you save you could replace the CD burner/DVD combo with a DVD burner.
10-20-2003, 06:30 AM
sparsely

If you're putting this together yourself, there's a few cheaper things...you don't need no warranty, most components (other than
bare parts or OEMs) have some sort of warranty. :P

RAM: Check here (cheaper)
Video Card: 20$ cheaper & free shipping
Sound Card: 8$ cheaper, free shipping
NIC: If you've got an OfficeMax, Circuit City, or something like that nearby, check their Sunday ads, they've usally got em free with a rebate.
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB 7200 RPM w/round cables, free shipping
Sony 48x24x48x16 DVD/CDRW:59.00, No Shipping
10$ floppy drive
20$ microsoft Internet Keyboard
$24 Optical IntelliMouse
Speakers: 9
Case: 25
PSU: 39
CRT: 175

equals: ~792$
Then:

For P4: Intel MoBo: $174, 2.6GHz 800MHz FSB P4 (retail, w/fan): $246 Total P4 Package: ~1212$

For AMD: 139$ Asus MoBo, Athlon XP 3000+ 2.16Ghz 333MHz Bus, retail w/fan: $255 Total AMD Package: ~1186$
10-20-2003, 07:45 AM
zapjb

Get the AMD Barton 2500 retail @newegg.com. $90usd saving $150.
10-20-2003, 08:19 AM
3RA1N1AC

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@19 October 2003 - 20:38
SC:  Creative Sound Blaster PCI128 4.1 $30

oh boy... :huh:

why are you so concerned with building a kick-ass PC for an affordable price, and you want to make sure that you get your money's worth, but then you're actually considering putting that crappy soundcard in it. using an antique soundcard like that one will immediately reduce your framerate, and it'll throw away the advantage you gained by buying the best CPU that you could afford.

sound cards-- audigy 2, nforce 2 with MCP-T, or fortissimo 3. maybe you're not an audiophile (otherwise you wouldn't be buying $9 speakers), but there are two reasons why new soundcards are more expensive: it's because the sound quality is better and because they handle the sound processing more independently. anything less will shove a lot of the sound processing work onto the CPU when you're playing games, and it will affect your framerates.

the SB PCI 128 in a modern game PC... it's just not right.
10-20-2003, 11:20 PM
Keikan

Quote:

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+20 October 2003 - 01:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 20 October 2003 - 01:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Keikan@19 October 2003 - 20:38
SC: Creative Sound Blaster PCI128 4.1 $30

oh boy... :huh:

why are you so concerned with building a kick-ass PC for an affordable price, and you want to make sure that you get your money's worth, but then you're actually considering putting that crappy soundcard in it. using an antique soundcard like that one will immediately reduce your framerate, and it'll throw away the advantage you gained by buying the best CPU that you could afford.

sound cards-- audigy 2, nforce 2 with MCP-T, or fortissimo 3. maybe you're not an audiophile (otherwise you wouldn't be buying $9 speakers), but there are two reasons why new soundcards are more expensive: it's because the sound quality is better and because they handle the sound processing more independently. anything less will shove a lot of the sound processing work onto the CPU when you're playing games, and it will affect your framerates.

the SB PCI 128 in a modern game PC... it's just not right. [/b][/quote]
what does Sound card have to do with fps?I don't care about sounds, i just use like heard phones anyways.

O ya what about the

asus v9520 videosuite geforcefx 5200 8x agp vivo 128mb

is that card anygood?
10-20-2003, 11:46 PM
_John_Lennon_

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparsely@20 October 2003 - 01:30
If you're putting this together yourself, there's a few cheaper things...you don't need no warranty, most components (other than
bare parts or OEMs) have some sort of warranty.  :P

RAM: Check here (cheaper)
Video Card: 20$ cheaper & free shipping
Sound Card: 8$ cheaper, free shipping
NIC: If you've got an OfficeMax, Circuit City, or something like that nearby, check their Sunday ads, they've usally got em free with a rebate.
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB 7200 RPM w/round cables, free shipping
Sony 48x24x48x16 DVD/CDRW:59.00, No Shipping
10$ floppy drive
20$ microsoft Internet Keyboard
$24 Optical IntelliMouse
Speakers: 9
Case: 25
PSU: 39
CRT: 175

equals: ~792$
Then:

For P4: Intel MoBo: $174, 2.6GHz 800MHz FSB P4 (retail, w/fan): $246 Total P4 Package: ~1212$

For AMD: 139$ Asus MoBo, Athlon XP 3000+ 2.16Ghz 333MHz Bus, retail w/fan: $255 Total AMD Package: ~1186$

Great post sparsely, agree with it in most places, other than maybe you could find a floppy drive for -2, and save a few on the HD, seeing as how he probably wont need to look at the inside of his case.
10-20-2003, 11:47 PM
Virtualbody1234

ATI Original Radeon 9600PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP ( Retail Box ) $269
asus v9520 videosuite geforcefx 5200 8x agp vivo 128mb

These 2 cards are not designed for the same use. 9600pro is for ultra fast gaming while 'videosuite' is for movies.
10-20-2003, 11:55 PM
abu_has_the_power

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@20 October 2003 - 04:38
OK as you can see down you can see the words PROCESSER PENDING
thats because i have no idea of waht processer to buy! It's taking me 6 months to figure out the answer.

Now I'm on a budjet with these in mind ($1500 with tax)

Heat Sink: Depends if amd is choosen ($40)
RAM: Samsung/Infineon Chip 512MB PC-3200 (400MHz) DDR $125 (2)
VC: ATI Original Radeon 9600PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP ( Retail Box ) $269
SC: Creative Sound Blaster PCI128 4.1 $30
NIC: Realtek 10/100 PCI Network Card $14
HDD: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 2MB Cache IDE $109
RW: LG 48X/16X CDRW/DVD-ROM Combo (Beige) $81
FDD: Panasonic 1.44MB Floppy Drive (Beige) $20
KB: PS/2 Keyboard $15
Mouse: Microsoft IntelliOptical USB Mouse $45
Spk: Stereo Speakers $9
Case: IC Basic $25
PS: Standard 300W Power Supply $39
Display: LG 17" 700S Beige CRT $175
War: 3 Year Labour & 2 Year Parts Depot Warranty ( 3&2 Depot Warranty ) $25

Intel pentium 4 2.4ghz + asus p4s800 with the stuff up there and no retail heatsink i go 100 dollars over budjet

AMD = ?????? (No idea) Everyone says "ohh ohh amd is cheaper blablablabla etc."
But how come i can't get a good processer with my budjet!?
Even lamsey's guide says "good value" but i jsut don't see it

I was thinking of the athlon xp 2500+barton but it seems kinda low?? i mean i'm not rich i can't upgrade every year but i wanna meet the system requirements of games so i can atleast play them and i wanna meet the minimum system requirements for game for atleast 2 years. i know right now the miniumums are 700mhz-1gig+ processer while begining of the year it was 450mhz-700mhz
the next step is the 2800+ which is $279 wooooooh pricey. So i don't see the value of amd.

so in conclusion pending processer = i still don't know.

What do you think?

and NO:

internet shopping, tv shopping, mail order, phone order, anything that has to do with give your credit card number away and results in shipping

i can always downgrade with an asus v9520 videosuite geforcefx 5200 8x agp vivo is that card any good?

Your probably thinking "no keikan not again!!!"

1st off, cut back on the floppy. get a regular one. much cheaper, and get a 9500 pro. its 8 rendering pipes. also, get a 120 gb, and hey hey, we have the same ram!

now, as for cpu, don't even bother with the amd 64. it licks balls compared to the p5 (coming soon). and ur spending 2 much on parts that don't need a really good brand. like ur optical and floppy drives. also, with that much $, u can get water cooling for sure.

1. y do u need a network card? ur mobo has lan connection
2. u can get a 500 watt psu with 2 fans for $20 at dealsonic
3. r u buying this prebuilt? where from?
10-21-2003, 12:10 AM
3RA1N1AC

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@20 October 2003 - 15:20
what does Sound card have to do with fps?

quite a bit.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html
10-21-2003, 12:33 AM
Keikan

So whats a good geforce card that's not over 250 bux?
10-21-2003, 12:34 AM
abu_has_the_power

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@21 October 2003 - 00:33
So whats a good geforce card that's not over 250 bux?

get a radeon 9500 pro or 9600. ati much better than nvidia
10-21-2003, 12:51 AM
Keikan

meh ok....

what about sapphire ati?????? :rolleyes:
10-21-2003, 01:17 AM
kazaaliterock

u can get a radeon 9500 for 98 dollars. search pricewatch.
10-21-2003, 01:22 AM
sparsely

ARE you building this yourself?

You need a couple case fans too...especially if you're going for the Athlon...
& yeah...good catch on the NIC, I forgot that most now
have ethernet onboard....and you can drop the sound card completely if you just get a moBo with onboard sound (the AMD one in my post above has it.)
10-21-2003, 01:26 AM
adamp2p

Quote:

Originally posted by kazaaliterock@21 October 2003 - 02:17
u can get a radeon 9500 for 98 dollars. search pricewatch.

My advice for you is to steer away from pricewatch. Stick to zipzoomfly.com and newegg.com.
10-21-2003, 01:45 AM
3RA1N1AC

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparsely@20 October 2003 - 17:22
you can drop the sound card completely if you just get a moBo with onboard sound (the AMD one in my post above has it.)

it's an excellent choice for sound, too.
10-21-2003, 02:07 AM
bigdawgfoxx

Yeah as you saw in Tom's benchmarks, the Nforce 2 ONBOARD chip beat even the best of sound cards! Wow, thats amazing. So I would buy the 2500+ (yes it is very nice and cheap!) with an asus board with Nforce 2 sound. ATI 9500!!!
10-21-2003, 04:49 AM
Keikan

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparsely@20 October 2003 - 18:22
ARE you building this yourself?

You need a couple case fans too...especially if you're going for the Athlon...
& yeah...good catch on the NIC, I forgot that most now
have ethernet onboard....and you can drop the sound card completely if you just get a moBo with onboard sound (the AMD one in my post above has it.)

ONboard sound = mroe of your cpu power down the drain and no i cannot internet shop. newegg does not ship to canada
10-21-2003, 04:55 AM
3RA1N1AC

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan@20 October 2003 - 20:49
ONboard sound = mroe of your cpu power down the drain and no i cannot internet shop. newegg does not ship to canada

URGH. wrong. you don't read well. Nforce 2's onboard sound is different because it is a true hardware soundchip on the motherboard. it kicks the SB 128's ass. i'm not going to try to explain it to you anymore.
10-21-2003, 05:06 AM
sparsely

we made a nice PC, & under budget!
Maybe we should start a computer show like "Trading Spaces" :P
10-21-2003, 06:14 AM
abu_has_the_power

Quote:

Originally posted by Keikan+21 October 2003 - 04:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Keikan @ 21 October 2003 - 04:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sparsely@20 October 2003 - 18:22
ARE you building this yourself?

You need a couple case fans too...especially if you're going for the Athlon...
& yeah...good catch on the NIC, I forgot that most now
have ethernet onboard....and you can drop the sound card completely if you just get a moBo with onboard sound (the AMD one in my post above has it.)

ONboard sound = mroe of your cpu power down the drain and no i cannot internet shop. newegg does not ship to canada [/b][/quote]
u live in canada? wat up man!! i'm not in canada, but i'm canadian living in chicago. wat up.
10-21-2003, 11:31 PM
Keikan

I wanna go to seattle
10-22-2003, 10:41 AM
huuramis

ive never actually bought a pentium, ive been amd all my life, EXEPT for when i had my first pc wich was a pentium 100.

BUT if you still havent decided, ide say get an amd xp2000 or higher.

wats weird is, my friends 2.06ghz pentium runs more slugish then my other friends 667 pentium, so i dont think they are as reliable as amd.
10-22-2003, 08:03 PM
Virtualbody1234

@huuramis, If your friends 2 ghz PC is slower than the 667 mhz then there's a problem there. It sounds like a cooling problem. Pentium 4 CPUs have an automatic 'throttle down' feature if they get too hot.
10-22-2003, 09:12 PM
yNd aznbnet

Hell, you can get a Radeon 9800 nonpro for just under $250 these days.

Also, a 9500 pro only has 4 rendering pipelines.

$243 Sapphire 9800 np, third item from the top

Opinions of people who have bought the 9800np I linked u too
10-22-2003, 10:11 PM
_John_Lennon_

Quote:

Originally posted by adamp2p+20 October 2003 - 20:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 20 October 2003 - 20:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kazaaliterock@21 October 2003 - 02:17
u can get a radeon 9500 for 98 dollars. search pricewatch.

My advice for you is to steer away from pricewatch. Stick to zipzoomfly.com and newegg.com. [/b][/quote]
Well, alot of times pricewatch will quotes prices from all sites, including newegg and zipzoomfly.

If your using pricewatch, I would just suggest checking the site they direct you to, and be specific on what your searching for.

On the main page, if you click on the 80GB EIDE link, you can get one for as cheap as 56 Dollars!

However, thats with a 2, not 8MB cache, and 5400 RPM, not the 7200RPM, that you would probably want, and that I was looking for atleast.

But yeah, Pricewatch is good, just be thorough in the sources and links they give.