What.cd help - Disabled account

Hi all,

I'm posting here in hope of receiving some help with getting my what account back. I have already been to their irc disabled channel but the staffer that spoke to me in there treated me unfairly and with no respect, not giving me a chance to explain the situation.

Up until now I had a lot of respect for the what staff, but honestely this is BS and I'm annoyed with the whole situation. Building up a 60GB upload on there took me a year dammit!

If any staff are on here, could you please contact me.

Many thanks,

While if it's no help in your case, I'm happy that someone has had a similar experience as I have with What's staff.

What.cd has the most brilliant staff. I have bunch what.cd acc disabled :D
when i say bunch, i mean it :pinch:

Typical what.cd garbage...

I feel your pain jimmy, but you have to realize your not dealing with humans when you enter their irc.
They disregard everything you say, and think they know everything. I don't even see the point in joining, if they won't take in to consideration that something else occurred...

Just out of curiosity which machine did you talk to on the irc?

I've had my account there disabled for inactivity once(had no internet for a while) and the admin that helped me was awesome and gladly let me back in. I guess it's just the luck of the draw as to which admin chooses to help you.

no u wrong, what it takes is telling them the truth, BE HONEST. they will just disabled yr invite privillage and reenable the acc

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Originally Posted by HDBits

no u wrong, what it takes is telling them the truth, BE HONEST. they will just disabled yr invite privillage and reenable the acc

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Uhh, I did tell them truth. Virtually all other trackers unbanned me except for What and another tracker that shall not be named.

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Originally Posted by HDBits

no u wrong, what it takes is telling them the truth, BE HONEST. they will just disabled yr invite privillage and reenable the acc

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Its hard to be honest, when you have no clue as to why you are being banned.

Jimmy24, assuming your What.cd nick is the same one as here, just wait for WhatMan to see this thread and reply.

join waffles and never look back :)

Yeah, the tracker who banned members for speaking up about the Vuze ban clearly has more levelheaded hands on the banhammer :whistling

Personally I'm just going to grab some popcorn and wait for the inevitable hilarity of this thread to ensue.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Yeah, the tracker who banned members for speaking up about the Vuze ban clearly has more levelheaded hands on the banhammer :whistling

Personally I'm just going to grab some popcorn and wait for the inevitable hilarity of this thread to ensue.

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No your waiting for a moderator to come and post some Bull shit statement that has no credibility.

*also there is a 47 page thread about the banning of vuze, that is still being continued, so I don't see how their trying to suppress people that oppose the ban. In addition...

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There will be no more danger of losing your Waffles account for minor forum-related infractions (nonsense, trolling, off-topic meandering) though permanent posting bans may still be utilized.

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You can only get banned for calling out staff or other members. So as long as you keep your rant against vuze civilized you should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

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Originally Posted by HDBits

no u wrong, what it takes is telling them the truth, BE HONEST. they will just disabled yr invite privillage and reenable the acc

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Its hard to be honest, when you have no clue as to why you are being banned.

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Totally agree... if you genuinely don't know what you've done, it can be very frustrating to have someone you don't even know continually ask you to be honest... it's happened to me, and it all depends on which staff member you speak to and if they're going to be reasonable or not... unfortunately in this day and age staffers have so much shit to put up with and weed out that it can be easy for them to forget that there are genuinely some people out there who make the odd mistake unintentionally and not to 'test' the tracker or be trying to get away with something.

I'm starting to think that what's staff has some real problem... I just don't know "what" problem it could be =/

But we already have a small list of unhappy ex-users of that tracker... something must be wrong and I think the staff should "rethink" what's going wrong...

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

No your waiting for a moderator to come and post some Bull shit statement that has no credibility.

*also there is a 47 page thread about the banning of vuze, that is still being continued, so I don't see how their trying to suppress people that oppose the ban. In addition...

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Because we found out in your lovely thread that you had indeed broken their rules (admitted out of your own mouth), but are still acting like a little baby about it. I can think of plenty of similar threads to this in the past where it always turns out the OP was a trader/cheater who then gets owned when a staff member comes around. There was a funny one with an SCC account fairly recently. So personally, I'm just waiting around to see the sparks fly.

As for their 47 page thread, you can ask the folks in that thread who were disabled afterwards what they think.

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There will be no more danger of losing your Waffles account for minor forum-related infractions (nonsense, trolling, off-topic meandering) though permanent posting bans may still be utilized.

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Yep, it was a good call on their part, since I've seen people get ridiculous bans due to forum posts they've made.

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But we already have a small list of unhappy ex-users of that tracker... something must be wrong and I think the staff should "rethink" what's going wrong...

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Nah, ex members are simply more bitter and more prone to post about it. I'm sure you could get plenty of members here to post about how they're still enabled, but there really wouldn't be much point in that. They're simply a vocal minority.

Ca_aok you have no idea what your talking about. There are rants about the vuze ban for 47 PAGES.
Where is your source for these 2 bans? As I have not seen or heard anything about them.

I only broke the rules at what.cd once I was disabled. I never broke any rule to get initially banned.

You can see several in the first pages of the thread.

In particular, UserID: 10785, who also has an account here, was banned for "inciting people to use cheating clients" when he mentioned that cheaters could simply spoof their client ID. The more realistic reason is because he was getting pretty vocal and they weren't really responding to his arguments, but I'm sure you know exactly how that goes ;)

Jimmy24, post your username here please, or try PMing it to me.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

You can see several in the first pages of the thread.

In particular, UserID: 10785, who also has an account here, was banned for "inciting people to use cheating clients" when he mentioned that cheaters could simply spoof their client ID. The more realistic reason is because he was getting pretty vocal and they weren't really responding to his arguments, but I'm sure you know exactly how that goes ;)

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Are you trying to get some leverage by posting this story, because I don't see where your going with this?

He was sort of rude to the staff, I mean I don't agree with his ban (with the details you listed, but that isn't the full story so I don't know) but it wasn't for no reason (what.cd's reasoning for banning people).

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The staff is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Poor decision. Very poor decision. If the shoe were on the other foot, and all utorrent users were forced to switch, the staff would likely have come to a different decision, and all the people who are saying 'get over it' would be singing a different tune. But since Azureus and Deluge users are in the minority, our only choices are to bend over or leave the site. For me, switching to something less than a full-featured client is not an option.

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This speaks as much for the lack of uploading standards here as it does for the shortcomings of the software.

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There was alot more vocal members than him on that thread, some even cursing left and right that are still active... So I am inclined to believe we are missing something from the story.

That is also my experience with the What.cd

Complete hypocritical powerwanters assholes all-of-them--petty.

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Originally Posted by sickofjesus

Jimmy24, post your username here please, or try PMing it to me.

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Would rather discuss off forum, doesn't look like I can PM yet. Where can I find you on irc? (other than whatnet seeing as I'm banned from there...)

Every time I see people spreading bad things about bitme staff (for example) I show up to share how well I was treated when I had problems.

I could be wrong but this looks to be the normal thing to happen. If you like a tracker, you'll try to understand why people have problem with it (when you don't have any) and eventually you'll try to defend it or at least share your experiences.

I'm sure we have plenty of whatcd' users here, and when discussions like this happens they simple don't show up as I expected... =/

If you have 3 or 4 users to harm a tracker's image, people should show up in numbers of 6 to 10 (at least) to defend it.

... my opinion!

ps: Maybe they don't come to defend the tracker because they're afraid of being banned because of it =|

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Originally Posted by 7th

Every time I see people spreading bad things about bitme staff (for example) I show up to share how well I was treated when I had problems.

I could be wrong but this looks to be the normal thing to happen. If you like a tracker, you'll try to understand why people have problem with it (when you don't have any) and eventually you'll try to defend it or at least share your experiences.

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Sites don't need defending against idiots. I'm sure their 120 000 enabled members don't miss you much. Though clearly since they're so banhappy that number should be down closer to 1000.

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I'm sure we have plenty of whatcd' users here, and when discussions like this happens they simple don't show up as I expected... =/

If you have 3 or 4 users to harm a tracker's image, people should show up in numbers of 6 to 10 (at least) to defend it.

... my opinion!

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It's actually fairly rare. FST is generally a haven for complainers to come bitch behind fake names and proxies, at some point you either tune them out, or treat them as a source of entertainment. If half the stuff said about trackers on this forum were true, half the sites would have no members, the entire BT world would be one giant conspiracy to screw over each individual user, donations would frequently be used to buy sports cars for the sysops, and tracker levels would actually be an indication of tracker quality. There's really no need to defend against people making baseless accusations.

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ps: Maybe they don't come to defend the tracker because they're afraid of being banned because of it =|

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Yeah, I actually not only got banned and g-lined for saying anything positive, but they put my name up for a global ban!!!111!!!!! Not only that, but they released my personal details in a scenenotice!!!!!![/sarcasm]

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Complete hypocritical powerwanters assholes all-of-them--petty.

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Such a kind attitude surely helped you in the support channel.

Christ, there used to be a time when IQs on FST were higher than the member's age. I miss those days :(

I only have good experiences with what.cd staff. :D

I'm just going to paste something I wrote earlier on the subject:

Have you ever worked at a torrent tracker? Do you know what it's like running a disabled channel? Do you have any idea what sort of scum you deal with every day, how many lies you hear, how many bullshit stories, how many traders, cheaters, sellers, and idiots assure you that "they'll be back"? If not, then perhaps you should realize that it gives you a bit of a different perspective on matters like this

Do you really think that the best part of a moderators day is hunting traders? Comparing IP matches? Talking to a bunch of lying bastards? Working in a disabled channel is by far the worst part of staffing a torrent site. It's extremely time consuming, and it's time that's often wasted, wasted so that people can have a second chance they may or may not deserve. Control doesn't mean shit. The thrill of hitting a ban button wears off in about ten seconds, and you're rebuked by your higher ups if you start banning without cause.

The best part of your job is doing positive stuff that makes your site better, not dealing with a bunch of scumbags. Sure, you might think it's fun to sit there and "play god". Now think about what happens when you spend a few hours a day, every day of your life, hearing the same bullshit excuses from hundreds of traders, cheaters, invite sellers, etc. It gets fucking stupid pretty quick, I can guarantee you that. If a few good users fall through the cracks, you can thank the cheater that used your exact same excuse yesterday.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Sites don't need defending against idiots. I'm sure their 120 000 enabled members don't miss you much.

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Don't miss ME much? What do you mean? :huh:
If you think I was a member there, sorry, you're wrong! I was never a WhatCD member and unless they have something else than "musics" to offer, I'll never have any interest on that tracker. I'm not a "music lover" you know. :noes:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

There's really no need to defend against people making baseless accusations.

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You're too generalist for my tastes. I have no doubt that we have a lot of good users here (and even new ones). Many that comes here looking for help. Real people with real problems, not "fake" people surfing through proxies as you say.

Is it difficult to know who is who over the internet? Yes, but you can't simple assume that we're always dealing with "baseless accusations".

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Yeah, I actually not only got banned and g-lined for saying anything positive, but they put my name up for a global ban!!!111!!!!! Not only that, but they released my personal details in a scenenotice!!!!!![/sarcasm]

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Again, your assuming everyone has nothing better to do than come here and lie to everyone else and yet beg for their accounts back. Uuuhhhhh, so smart! :01:

If you're not here to help, please, at least keep your sarcasm to yourself or express it when you're sure that the person you're dealing with IS someone who actually not only got banned and g-lined for saying anything positive, but also... :yup:

You seem to assume when I say that I've worked as staff, I mean that I've staffed there. You'd be incorrect ;)

Speaking of assumptions, if you haven't been a member and have never had any dealings with their staff, the following statement doesn't really hold much weight:

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Originally Posted by 7th

I'm starting to think that what's staff has some real problem... I just don't know "what" problem it could be =/

But we already have a small list of unhappy ex-users of that tracker... something must be wrong and I think the staff should "rethink" what's going wrong...

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You're too generalist for my tastes. I have no doubt that we have a lot of good users here (and even new ones). Many that comes here looking for help. Real people with real problems, not "fake" people surfing through proxies as you say.

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Real people generally get helped, as the OP has already had a request to PM the staff here. It's far more common to come vent here because you can do so without consequences and without staff knowing who you are.

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Is it difficult to know who is who over the internet? Yes, but you can't simple assume that we're always dealing with "baseless accusations".

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I've seen one person other than the OP in this thread with specific accusations against the site that could have been incorrect. The others are either confirmed rule breakers, or trolls. It's not too hard to classify those accusations as baseless.

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Again, your assuming everyone has nothing better to do than come here and lie to everyone else and yet beg for their accounts back. Uuuhhhhh, so smart! http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../.....smilies/bb.gif

If you're not here to help, please, at least keep your sarcasm to yourself or express it when you're sure that the person you're dealing with IS someone who actually not only got banned and g-lined for saying anything positive, but also... http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../.....milies/yes.gif

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My posts are generally targeted towards people like you who are talking about stuff they don't have experience with, or the others who whine about being disabled, rather than the OP. If you'd rather have me post a bland "I've never had problems with their staff", I could do that. It doesn't really contribute much though.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

You seem to assume when I say that I've worked as staff, I mean that I've staffed there. You'd be incorrect ;)

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uh, sorry to disappoint you again but I just read that post of yours after posting mine... :cool:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Speaking of assumptions, if you haven't been a member and have never had any dealings with their staff, the following statement doesn't really hold much weight

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I'm starting to think that what's staff has some real problem... I just don't know "what" problem it could be =/

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What part in the beginning of this phrase you had difficulties to understand?

"I'm starting to think..."

Yes, it's hard to notice, I know, but if you pay good attention you'll see that there's some difference between phrases like "I'm starting to think" and...

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

My posts are generally targeted towards people like you

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In the first case, the person is not even really "thinking" anything yet... it's just "starting to think".

But, in the second case, the person who talks (BEHOLD!) assumes he knows the people he targets (in this case, ME). :rolleyes:

Since you're not dumb (and with the help of this awesome explanation) you can now understand some of those differences! :yup:

If you will, you may even print this wonderful "tutorial" and affix it to your refrigerator's door. :naughty:

Well, at least something you assumed about me is true... I was never a staff member of any tracker or even someone important, totally different from YOU (BEHOLD! :01:).

May I pm you now to say how much I'm sorry? Yes, I'm dumb, I assume! Please forgive me! :pinch:

Well, time's up! You may bother to answer or quote any of my phrases again, but from my side our little debate has finished and guess what? YOU WIN MAN! Isn't it awesome?! Are you happy now? :happy:

Oh, ok, better explain it this way:
me = :shutup:
YOU = :01:
got it?

Anyway, I won't bother to quote you anymore since I have so much better things to do in my life (who could imagine that?) :shifty:

:lol:
Hip Hip Hooray.

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The bottom line is, I have worked at a tracker. I know what's involved. You have not and do not, and based on your attitude probably never will.

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ca_aok thinks he is greater than everyone else, and everything he says is golden just because he staffed somewhere.

Just because I haven't staffed at a site nullifies my ideas? I think that is a load of bullshit.
There is nothing that will change my mind that they abused their powers and even more so they enjoy banning people.

I think its great that you helped out a community by staffing, but if you did it to think you will have an advantage over people because they have not staffed you're greatly mistaken.

Also me never staffing?.. Yes that would greatly increase my epen if I staffed somewhere... Give me a break, you talk about me being childish lol.
I'm sure you kissed ass 24/7 to get your staff position.

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

Give me a break, you talk about me being childish lol.
I'm sure you kissed ass 24/7 to get your staff position.

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:unsure:Not unless it was his own ass.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I'm just going to paste something I wrote earlier on the subject:

Have you ever worked at a torrent tracker? Do you know what it's like running a disabled channel? Do you have any idea what sort of scum you deal with every day, how many lies you hear, how many bullshit stories, how many traders, cheaters, sellers, and idiots assure you that "they'll be back"? If not, then perhaps you should realize that it gives you a bit of a different perspective on matters like this

Do you really think that the best part of a moderators day is hunting traders? Comparing IP matches? Talking to a bunch of lying bastards? Working in a disabled channel is by far the worst part of staffing a torrent site. It's extremely time consuming, and it's time that's often wasted, wasted so that people can have a second chance they may or may not deserve. Control doesn't mean shit. The thrill of hitting a ban button wears off in about ten seconds, and you're rebuked by your higher ups if you start banning without cause.

The best part of your job is doing positive stuff that makes your site better, not dealing with a bunch of scumbags. Sure, you might think it's fun to sit there and "play god". Now think about what happens when you spend a few hours a day, every day of your life, hearing the same bullshit excuses from hundreds of traders, cheaters, invite sellers, etc. It gets fucking stupid pretty quick, I can guarantee you that. If a few good users fall through the cracks, you can thank the cheater that used your exact same excuse yesterday.

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I did...In an even harder way....:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

Give me a break, you talk about me being childish lol.
I'm sure you kissed ass 24/7 to get your staff position.

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:unsure:Not unless it was his own ass.

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I view the flexibility involved as a life skill :naughty: As for the type of asskissing you're talking about, if so, I think I've been doing it wrong :(

Funnily enough I don't see myself as better, I see myself as having first hand experience running a disabled channel, which you clearly lack. Hence, this entire farce of a conversation. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night bud ;)

Jimmy24, I just need your username or email address so I can look into it and see what's going on. If we find it worth discussing, I can lift your gline and we can talk on IRC.

You staffing a disabled channel gives you absolutely zero more credibility towards anything in this post.

I don't care what the :censored: happened prior to me entering their irc.
And further more I have no feelings of sorrow or hardship for any staff on their disabled channel.
If they can't handle all the bull shit, its their job to resign.

Why should I have respect for people that refused to give me any respect.

Tv Controls you, what was your what.cd username or email? or PM it to me.

It's tvcontrolsyou (my second account)
I forget my first ones name.

Why do you want my user name?

Tv Controls you, since you are rather colorfully showing your digust about how 'mistreated' you were, I'll do what I can to help clear the air on this.

You had an account for 14 months. You leeched it into ratio watch, and it was eventually disabled as you never pulled your ratio back up. That same day, you joined the -invites channel on IRC and attempted to get another invite, lying about the existence of your previous account. Having failed at receiving a new invite via IRC for lying, you eventually returned to the person who invited you the first time and got another invite from that user, an account which we also disabled given your dishonest and rule-breaking behavior on your previous account/IRC.

Upon losing your second account, you came to IRC--an ultimately futile endeavor given that dishonesty is never rewarded with being re-enabled--and upon being told that you would not be re-enabled, you made the following statements, among others:

--"btw your impossible to reason with so ill be renewing my ip address and making a new account. good day fucking ass holes. haha mother fuckers"
--"go stick a dick up your ass. Ill show you a fucking leecher. ha"

The moment you lied in -invites, your account's fate was sealed. We lose trust in users who lie, and if we can't trust you, we can't re-enable you. There is no doubt in our minds that you were properly disabled for your actions given your inappropriate remarks in -disabled on IRC, not to mention the things you've said here.

This is all I will say regarding your account. This was merely a rebuttal to your portrayal of the staff as heartless, power-hungry individuals who choose to make rash moves without proper reason. All I can argue is that I believe a well-informed decision had been made and that the rules were appropriately enforced. Again, my side of the discussion ends here, so any follow-ups regarding this will not be replied to.

Jimmy24, I am still waiting on your info.

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Originally Posted by sickofjesus

Jimmy24, I just need your username or email address so I can look into it and see what's going on. If we find it worth discussing, I can lift your gline and we can talk on IRC.

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Will PM you as soon as I hit the 20 post thing on here.

This is funny.

Really though, I make it a point never to chat or post on forums at private trackers. Especially the best ones, like bitme.

I can be pretty blunt or rude and I swear quite a bit.

I don't trust people with power. So if there's a private tracker I'd like to get into, I'll go to their irc and jump through whatever hoops they want me to jump through to get an account and then that's it. I'm a ghost. I'll keep my ratio even to stay off anyones radar and just enjoy.

If I want discussion, I'll go to /b/ :)

tl;dr stay off the forums at private trackers.