Can One Corporation Really Stop Filesharing?

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10-26-2003, 06:52 AM
FireAngelZero

Look I'm new in this forum so whatever I talk about if it has been talked about be4 please don't get frustrated or anything this is just stuff that's really gotten me thinking... Well here it goes:

First of all how can the RIAA actually stop people from file sharing much less recording music? I mean seriously right now computers can make illegal file sharing so easy. Lets take Windows Media Center Edition, sure it's great and expensive but think about it with Windows MCE you can do alot of stuff. Like you can just in two easy clicks record a movie and if you're bored what are you going to do? SHARE IT! who cares if it's with friends or if ur doing it for money. Or lets say your on your little HP Media Center and you want to listen to some local tunes what do you do after? you'd prolly share it and guess what no copywright protection because you're recording these songs... So in other words if the RIAA really wants to sue ppl from downloading music why don't they go thru Microsoft first? I mean seriously the're actually begging people to download music for free just a few days ago I typed evanescence on one Windows Media Player search and got two sites just out in the public where u can download free music... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning.... OHH we're poor we need money to support some of our half assed stars who just don't wanna pay their taxes... <_<
10-26-2003, 01:43 PM
Remember To Share

No one really knows how long P2P filesharing will be around. So I guess people are just getting what they can and hopefully they're sharing their files for everyone as well. (P2P is a two way street) :)
10-26-2003, 01:54 PM
Sparkle1984

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Originally posted by Remember To Share@26 October 2003 - 12:43
No one really knows how long P2P filesharing will be around. So I guess people are just getting what they can and hopefully they're sharing their files for everyone as well. (P2P is a two way street) :)

It will be around for ever because no one in the world can stop it !!!! :lol:
10-26-2003, 03:55 PM
Wizzandabe

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No one really knows how long P2P filesharing will be around. So I guess people are just getting what they can and hopefully they're sharing their files for everyone as well. (P2P is a two way street)  :)

It will be around for ever because no one in the world can stop it !!!! :lol: [/b][/quote]
MOHAWHAAAA :P
10-26-2003, 09:32 PM
Switeck

Kazaa/FastTrack network has a serious hash flaw which allows ANY file with only the first 300 KB match other files for purposes of what files are considered 'the same.' So as a file is copied around more and more times it becomes PROGRESSIVELY more corrupt even WITHOUT active help in that regard!

Other networks that have end-to-end hashing capabilities and redownloading 'broken' parts aren't vulnerable to this problem.
10-29-2003, 07:35 PM
internet.news

Nobody can forbid you to share your thoughts openly - although they can try unfortunately - cause sharing your thoughts openly is important to udnerstand
each other better. And if no one of these guys, which are I think
I am sure humans as well would have a nice life if he or she do not share his
thoughts and concerns - from time to time we need some one we can talk to openly! and we can trust! For me, I have a good girl friend I can talk to openly :)
and I can trust... our friend-relationship is based on this :)

thanks anyway, david. ~nice dreams...
10-29-2003, 07:48 PM
Sid Hartha

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Originally posted by FireAngelZero@26 October 2003 - 06:52
... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning....

Did you mean whining or winning? They seem to be doing both.
10-29-2003, 11:34 PM
Sparkle1984

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... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning....

Did you mean whining or winning? They seem to be doing both. [/b][/quote]
No way are they "winning". They are just whining all the time !!

Keep them whining, I say !!! :lol:
10-30-2003, 01:29 AM
bryanskrantz

there is no way p2p can be stopped. corporate america can try to halt it but they cannot stop it in its entirity.
10-30-2003, 08:40 AM
Monkeee

lol first they took out napster now they thought it was all over then Morpheus came then that got screwed then eventually the GOD of p2p came KAZAA :P
10-30-2003, 03:17 PM
darkmind

they wont win if ppl ignore them
theyve only fully attacked a few dozen ppl
and considering the amount that is usually on kazaa
they havent even hurt us
:D
10-30-2003, 03:54 PM
Sid Hartha

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@26 October 2003 - 06:52
... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning....

Did you mean whining or winning? They seem to be doing both.

No way are they "winning"... [/b][/quote]
Ever read a newspaper?
10-30-2003, 05:41 PM
Sparkle1984

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@26 October 2003 - 06:52
... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning....

Did you mean whining or winning? They seem to be doing both.

No way are they "winning"...

Ever read a newspaper? [/b][/quote]
Yes I do read a newspaper every day. ;)
But I know that they will never win in the end, they are fighting a losing battle, even if they do have a few things happening in their favour.
10-30-2003, 05:59 PM
djfactory

i think riaa have done some preety big damage to kazaa lite. the users are quite low now, and alot of currupt files. but there will always be new ones added, and hopefully kazaa will resume being the best network out there. just give it time.
10-30-2003, 08:15 PM
darkmind

yep 3-4 mil users is quite low
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight <_<
10-31-2003, 05:08 PM
Sid Hartha

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@26 October 2003 - 06:52
... I just wish the RIAA would stop whinning....

Did you mean whining or winning? They seem to be doing both.

No way are they "winning"...

Ever read a newspaper?

Yes I do read a newspaper every day. ;)
But I know that they will never win in the end, they are fighting a losing battle, even if they do have a few things happening in their favour. [/b][/quote]
Like this one:

RIAA Sues 80 More Swappers
from zeropaid.com

The recording industry sued 80 more music fans for copyright infringement on Thursday.

It's the second wave of lawsuits filed by the Recording Industry Association of America. In September, the music trade group sued 261 people, many of whom said they had no warning that they were targets of legal action for sharing songs on the Internet.

In this round, however, the music trade group, which represents the big five record labels –- Universal Music, BMG, EMI, Sony Music and Warner Music -- alerted people beforehand that a copyright infringement lawsuit was on the way. The bulk of those contacted, 124 people, approached the RIAA to settle the case in advance. Settlements already reached are reportedly in the neighborhood of $3,000

"The fact that the overwhelming majority of those who received the notification letter contacted us and were eager to resolve the claims is another clear signal that the music community's education and enforcement campaign is getting the message out," RIAA president Cary Sherman said in a statement.

Like those in the first round, these 80 lawsuits were filed in jurisdictions around the country. The targets of the suits were people who had shared an average of 1,000 copyright music files using peer-to-peer software like Kazaa and Gnutella.

So far, the music industry has settled with 156 file sharers, including those targeted in the first wave, those who received the notification letters and some who were informed by their ISP that their information had been subpoenaed. The RIAA is subpoenaing ISPs for the names and addresses of alleged file sharers with the intention of filing copyright infringement lawsuits.

The RIAA also revealed that 1,000 file sharers have signed "Clean Slate" affidavits. Participants in the Clean Slate program are required to erase all pirated music from their computers and agree never to illegally download files again. In exchange, the recording industry promises that it will not sue these apologetic music swappers.

"We are pleased that our efforts to extend illegal file sharers an additional chance to come clean and work out settlements are proving successful," Sherman said.

Eric Parke, a California resident, filed a claim in September saying the RIAA's amnesty program amounts to deceptive business practices because the program will not shield file swappers from lawsuits, regardless of what the RIAA says.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation said that notifying those in advance of suing them is a small step in the right direction, but doesn't do much to solve the larger problem of illegal file sharing. "Suing your customers one at a time is not a business model," said Fred von Lohmann, senior staff attorney with the EFF. "And in the meantime, the RIAA is trampling on privacy and proposing legislation that's dangerous to the Internet generally.

"We still don't think this is a solution," von Lohmann said. "It may not be paying any dividends other than ruining the lives of those who are arbitrarily singled out."
11-01-2003, 02:49 AM
Switeck

As far as FastTrack network (Kazaa/KL++/Grokster/IMesh) is concerned, the RIAA+MPAA+BSA have put a HUGE DENT in the network with their fake files, C&D notices, and suing campaigns.

Many people are scared to share even with KL++'s ip blocker turned on and updated AND the privacy patch enabled!