socialized or privatized cleanup?

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05-04-2010, 04:58 PM
devilsadvocate

socialized or privatized cleanup?

Who should pay for the cleanup of this oil disaster? for that matter who should be cleaning it up?

May those that died rest in peace, my sympathies go to the families.
05-04-2010, 05:18 PM
999969999

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

BP is responsible and I think they even agreed to pay for the clean up, and they should pay for it.

I've heard $4 a gallon gas will be here again for us this summer. I won't be taking as many trips to Santa Fe at that price.
05-04-2010, 08:42 PM
j2k4

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

BP is (purportedly) wholly financially liable for the environmental aspect; I heard today their domestic liability (lost private income; think shrimp-boats, fishing, tourism, etc.) stops at 170 million.

I don't think that'll go very far.
05-04-2010, 09:03 PM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by 999969999

BP is responsible and I think they even agreed to pay for the clean up, and they should pay for it.

How very nice of them

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Originally Posted by j2k4

BP is (purportedly) wholly financially liable for the environmental aspect; I heard today their domestic liability (lost private income; think shrimp-boats, fishing, tourism, etc.) stops at 170 million.

I don't think that'll go very far.

I believe there has been a bill introduced to change that to 10 billion +/- and hopefully be retroactive

Edit; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/...pill_liability

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A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for cleanup costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages.
Economic losses to the Gulf Coast are likely to exceed that. In response, several Democratic senators introduced legislation Monday to raise the liability limit to $10 billion, though it was not clear that it could be made to apply retroactively.

Thanks for both answering the financial part, but what about who should be doing the cleanup. Should it be all these government agencies or should the free market be solving this problem?
05-04-2010, 09:51 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

... what about who should be doing the cleanup. Should it be all these government agencies or should the free market be solving this problem?

Wasn't Bobby Jindal- at least briefly- the face of the "Keep Big Gubmint Outta My State!" brigade (otherwise known as Republicans/TeaBaggers)?

Did he not sponsor a bill ((here) encouraging the very same offshore drilling now threatening to destroy his coastline?

Where is the rhetoric and the "firmly held" beliefs now that the rubber finally meets the road?
Dollars to donuts this whiny little bitch starts complaining about the Federal response any day now.
05-04-2010, 10:44 PM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

You doubt the sincerity of their ideology?
05-04-2010, 10:59 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

There's an ideology behind all this nonsense?
Don't tell Sarah Palin...she hates elitist concepts like ideology.
05-05-2010, 07:50 PM
j2k4

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

... but what about who should be doing the cleanup. Should it be all these government agencies or should the free market be solving this problem?

BP should be paying the entire ticket, compensating any entities enlisted to help, including the U.S.

If BP is slow on the uptake, and an honest appraisal (good luck with that) of the environmental threat indicates more need be done, unilateral action should be taken with costs accruing to BP.
05-05-2010, 08:34 PM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

But aren't the scariest words ever muttered "I from the government and I'm here to help"?
05-05-2010, 11:30 PM
j2k4

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

But aren't the scariest words ever muttered "I from the government and I'm here to help"?

Who said anything about government?
05-05-2010, 11:44 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

BP should be paying the entire ticket, compensating any entities enlisted to help, including the U.S.

If BP is slow on the uptake, and an honest appraisal (good luck with that) of the environmental threat indicates more need be done, unilateral action should be taken with costs accruing to BP.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

But aren't the scariest words ever muttered "I from the government and I'm here to help"?

Who said anything about government?

Who besides the gubmint could compel BP to live up to their obligations?
05-06-2010, 02:22 AM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

But aren't the scariest words ever muttered "I from the government and I'm here to help"?

Who said anything about government?

Read the question.

Should government be cleaning this up/trying to limit the damage as they are doing at the moment or should it be left to the free market?

Should the feds be saying "not our problem" ?
05-06-2010, 08:44 AM
bigboab

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Who said anything about government?

Read the question.

Should government be cleaning this up/trying to limit the damage as they are doing at the moment or should it be left to the free market?

Should the feds be saying "not our problem" ?

They bailed out the financial institutions when they got into deep water. Why not BP?
05-06-2010, 09:54 AM
j2k4

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Who should pay for the cleanup of this oil disaster? for that matter who should be cleaning it up?

May those that died rest in peace, my sympathies go to the families.

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

How very nice of them

Quote:

Originally Posted by j2k4

BP is (purportedly) wholly financially liable for the environmental aspect; I heard today their domestic liability (lost private income; think shrimp-boats, fishing, tourism, etc.) stops at 170 million.

I don't think that'll go very far.

I believe there has been a bill introduced to change that to 10 billion +/- and hopefully be retroactive

Edit; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/...pill_liability

Quote:

A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for cleanup costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages.
Economic losses to the Gulf Coast are likely to exceed that. In response, several Democratic senators introduced legislation Monday to raise the liability limit to $10 billion, though it was not clear that it could be made to apply retroactively.

Thanks for both answering the financial part, but what about who should be doing the cleanup. Should it be all these government agencies or should the free market be solving this problem?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

... but what about who should be doing the cleanup. Should it be all these government agencies or should the free market be solving this problem?

BP should be paying the entire ticket, compensating any entities enlisted to help, including the U.S.

If BP is slow on the uptake, and an honest appraisal (good luck with that) of the environmental threat indicates more need be done, unilateral action should be taken with costs accruing to BP.

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

But aren't the scariest words ever muttered "I from the government and I'm here to help"?

If you will read your own post, you will see that I answered your first question wherein is found no reference to the "government".

My question regarding the interjection of "government" into the cleanup operation was meant to convey merely that it wasn't me who did it, it was you.

If your intent is to ascertain my opinion re: it's involvement, I suggest you use my posting history here as your guide, rather than carp (once again,again,again) about how I'm not answering your fucking questions.

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Originally Posted by bigboab

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Read the question.

Should government be cleaning this up/trying to limit the damage as they are doing at the moment or should it be left to the free market?

Should the feds be saying "not our problem" ?

They bailed out the financial institutions when they got into deep water. Why not BP?

Oh, ffs.
05-06-2010, 01:21 PM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

If you don't want to give a straight answer why participate? posting nothing is better than non answers, especially since you don't like people making assumptions.

The title of the thread might give you a hint. "socialized or privatized cleanup?"
05-06-2010, 09:23 PM
999969999

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

I heard on talk radio that it might have been blown up by a North Korean sub.
05-06-2010, 10:05 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

I heard it was Martians.
Obama is soft on aliens, you know.
05-06-2010, 10:51 PM
999969999

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by clocker

I heard it was Martians.
Obama is soft on aliens, you know.

Obama thinks the illegal aliens will eventually get amnesty and then vote for democrats. I think they're wrong, at least over the long term. When there gets to be enough Mexicans up here they will form a viable third party, and the white and black liberals who helped them become citizens will ultimately be betrayed by them. They'll vote for Mexican-American candidates, not white liberals and black liberals.
05-06-2010, 11:08 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by 999969999

Obama thinks the illegal aliens will eventually get amnesty and then vote for democrats..

You hadn't mentioned you're a confidant of Barack.
So, tell us...where does he stand on pie v. cake?
05-07-2010, 02:03 AM
j2k4

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

If you don't want to give a straight answer why participate? posting nothing is better than non answers, especially since you don't like people making assumptions.

The title of the thread might give you a hint. "socialized or privatized cleanup?"

Well, Jesus jumped-up-fucking Christ, maybe when I said BP should clean it up, you'd have settled for that.

How fucking straight an answer do you need?

Do you require not only BP should clean it up, but also The government should not clean it up?

Now-

I used two motherfucking question marks in my motherfucking straight motherfucking answer; I expect two (2) straight motherfucking answers in return, and I will be the arbiter of whether or not you have fulfilled that requirement.
05-14-2010, 12:45 AM
devilsadvocate

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Quote:

Originally Posted by j2k4

BP is (purportedly) wholly financially liable for the environmental aspect; I heard today their domestic liability (lost private income; think shrimp-boats, fishing, tourism, etc.) stops at 170 million.

I don't think that'll go very far.

I believe there has been a bill introduced to change that to 10 billion +/- and hopefully be retroactive

Edit; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/...pill_liability

Quote:

A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for cleanup costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages.
Economic losses to the Gulf Coast are likely to exceed that. In response, several Democratic senators introduced legislation Monday to raise the liability limit to $10 billion, though it was not clear that it could be made to apply retroactively.

It appears this has been blocked by Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
05-14-2010, 12:51 AM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

Since it's now apparent that the spill is much, much worse than originally thought, expect to see BP bring more pressure to bear on it's political watercarriers to keep it protected from serious financial harm.
Murkowski is only the first to show her colors, others will follow.
05-14-2010, 05:27 PM
clocker

Re: socialized or privatized cleanup?

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Originally Posted by clocker

Murkowski is only the first to show her colors, others will follow.

Gee, it took less than 24 hours...

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Originally Posted by Huffington Post

Fresh off news of the cataclysmic oil spill in the gulf of Mexico, [GOP Connecticut Senate contender Linda] McMahon recently distributed a mailer where she promised to put 'Connecticut back to work' by calling on the government to "increase offshore drilling and production."

[...]

McMahon says it's time to loosen the "burdensome regulations" that can "inhibit growth."

Drilling for oil near sensitive coastline ecosystems is a win-win, [says] McMahon in the mailer. "Offshore oil drilling will create jobs and increase energy supply without cost to the taxpayer," it reads.