I saw this post when I logged into CN today:
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I saw this post when I logged into CN today:
EDIT: Announcement has been removed.
This doesn't make much sense to me. Clearly if they are willing to let the site die due to lack of member donations, then they do in fact not wish to pay out of their own pocket to keep it afloat. Right? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champo101
hmm Interesting. It doesn't make much sense now thinking of it.
Copycats. FTN already did it.
I can't imagine cn closing its doors. :cry:
Oh the refugees, the drama, please guys donate!
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Originally Posted by Champo101
I could say something disparaging about the choice of words but I won't.:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champo101
Also enough of these "look what is happening on x site " threads .They only have relevance to people already on those sites and therefore unless there are larger issues involved like a crooked staff or something should probably be discussed exclusively there .
I mean this way all you get is either trolls looking to randomly bad mouth anything or anyone or actual members apparently too gutless to say what they truly think hopefully to some positive effect where it should be said on the actual site .
What idol said.
I can not see whats wrong about telling our users we are changing servers and that therefore we do need some extra cash to pay the bills. Enough with the dumbass attitude already.
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Originally Posted by Supervisor
Quite the witty edit, there. I bet you felt all special belonging to the hate-a-tracker club.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Files:mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Supervisor
CN's a great place, tbh, and I'd hate to see it go down. As great as it is, though, it's replaceable, and I fear that that's what might lead to its demise; especially with these funding issues that came up.
Opening a thread about it here solves nothing. You're better off talking about "what the world is coming to" on the tracker side of things, on the trackers in question themselves.
Maybe take it easy of the coding, and get a real job to pay for the servers? Must have spent hundreds or thousands of hours designing that stupid bullshit inventory system and whatever other fancy pointess stuff they use to bait dumbfucks to spend their whole day on the site.
i wish i was a member of a torrent tracker that i would actually want to donate my hard-earned riches to, too bad typophile doesn't have torrents
Have you considered the possibility that the problem lies not in the irreparable quality woes of trackers, but in the inseparable aspect of the relationship you share with your money? :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
One thing it does point out is this will likely to become the norm with sites begging for donations.Just way to many sites out there to compete with specially 0day racers.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787I could say something disparaging about the choice of words but I won't.:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champo101
Also enough of these "look what is happening on x site " threads .They only have relevance to people already on those sites and therefore unless there are larger issues involved like a crooked staff or something should probably be discussed exclusively there .
I mean this way all you get is either trolls looking to randomly bad mouth anything or anyone or actual members apparently too gutless to say what they truly think hopefully to some positive effect where it should be said on the actual site .
This probably deserves its own thread but just going to reply to ExtraDry.
The one overiding factor that ppl seem to miss is, 90% of the members on trackers (and just do P2P/downloading) are either tight with their money, or skint. (if they were not they wouldnt do it in the first place).
and 90% of those would probably rather go to the cinemas once a week/month, buy a game, buy a DVD/Album etc than donate to a tracker.
There is also the fact that a lot of members have a few trackers, so its which one to donate to, and usually (not 100%) its the one that has the best deal for them.
So it pretty much goes without saying, a tracker with global ratio, banned at 0.4 ratio, but donate $25 and get 350 gig upload bonus, will get a lot more takers than a ratio free tracker where all they get is a star. even if they both have the same members exactly.
There probably is oversatuation as well of trackers, but if there were 20,000 trackers, if all had unique members, all 20,000 could survive, the problem is, probably 80-90% have other trackers, so it goes straight back to my point above.
Lets say i was looking from the outside, i never owned a tracker, i would look at BCGs and think, 34,000 members, they must be making a killing, but the truth is, last month we had 141 donors, and a lot of those were for £1 donations, that is less than 0.5% of our memberbase that donate, yes it probably is because we are virtually ratio free and even I admit, the bonuses you get are not fantastic, but without going back to a P2L Global ratio only site, what can we do, we cant force members to donate, and i wouldnt want to go down that route anyway, we have never accepted cash for an account, we have never once gave an invite for someone making a donation, and we wont start doing either of those any time soon either. (I have never once sent a begging PM either).
anyway to cut a long story short, i can see why a lot of trackers are struggling, its just the nature of the beast.
PS: btw Truesounds, if you owned a tracker, and wanted to keep it alive, how much would you pay per month out of your own pocket to keep it alive and kicking? just curious.
I'd never want to deal with the shit of owning one, does not interest me in the slightest. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Hypothetically, if I ran one I'd make it p2l like SCT once it becomes 'l33t', and then hope to eventually make a steady income by selling upload and designing ranks to encourage ratiowhores that will take the brunt of the damage to the ratio economy from the p2l scheme. But as you said, the market is oversaturated, there's no sense in starting or running a tracker these days, you'd never get to the point of making profits. That, and the climate seems to be changing. Canada's looking like they will clamp down soon, it's seems its time to get outta this game, not dive into it. But yeah, I'm not the kind of person to run some charity, or do it for the power associations of the job either. But I guess that's why you staff a successful tracker and I never will :P
So the answer to my question is a big fat 0 then lol or as little as you could get away with and the closer to 0 the better.
Like i said its the nature of the beast, its not a business, as we dont sell anything, we cant borrow on it (loans/mortages etc) we cant even say we do it as a hobby on job applications, to get a better job to pay for it ourselves if the shit hit the fan lol
I can tell you now though "IF" donations dried up for us, then we would have to close, no way can i afford what this costs a month, and even if i could afford it, I still wouldnt pay it, why should I pay a fortune for others enjoyment, and if no one donates, then they are not enjoying it that much, so probably wont be missed if we do close.
Well the answer is I'm not dumb enough to run or start a tracker I can't afford, which would be the answer from every other sane owner.
I will donate to trackers that others run, but only if it's irreplaceable to me. There is only one, maybe two trackers I do donate to, because you can get warez everywhere and my tastes aren't really niche or anything. You're right, I'd rather go out and catch a movie in a theater and let other people pay for my movie trackers. If they die I'll just switch to demonoid, no big deal! I doubt they will all die anyways, it's just economics that the worst ones sometimes will.
lol there is such a thing as growing you know, or becoming unemployed, even bloody recessions are a killer.
I just took offence at the dumb enough statement, I doubt many/any tracker owners can run them from their own pocket, not the succsesful ones anyway (bigger ones). We dont all run on a £20 a month kimi you know. and most of us dont have ads and millions of visitors a day to make a profit off (demonoid et all) pisses me off when TPB/Demonoid are seen as brighter than white and not making any cash, when they make more in a month than 99% of private tracker owners see in 10 years. ( i know you didnt say that, it just pisses me off lol).
PS: If we could afford to run them ourselves, we would not have a donation button to start with.
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Originally Posted by stoi
You've got such a great content and seeder base, I'd bet you could make a killing if you threw all your ethics out the window and ran the tracker like a business. Not something that is necessarily out of reach for you, but I'm not sure the risks that come with that change are worth it
I still couldnt make as much as those. I worked it out last year but lost the thread now on our forums, someone said that we make more cash than TPB because we accept donations, and they dont, I nearly fell off my chair.
When i had ads for 1 month, I believe it was $0.03cents per unique view, which doesnt sound a lot, but if you have a website with 1mil unique views a day (and porn ads were more) it soon adds up to quite a tidy sum.
And its not just about ethincs, its about fairness to all the members, and to nulify the cheats as well.
Why should someone be able to pay whatever it is a month, to just keep hit and running month after month, and "buy" ratio to get out of low ratio, when someone that cant pay for whatever reason either gets banned, or has to seed forever, or even worse, partial seed.
Its just to make the tracker fairer for everyone, we all have asymetric ISPs, well unless you use a seedbox anyway.
anyway going to bed, been up all night, and we have hijacked this thread somewhat.
just liar.if they pay from their pocket several month ago they never go on until now
You should not open a tracker if you yourself cannot pay the bills. Period, end of story.
The mantra I have heard is 'sharing is caring' not 'we will share and care for you only if you give us money, and if you dont we will threaten to take it all away'.
Nicely put.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
For some reason, which is unlike you, your talking out your ass (or using the word you did, a dumbfuck statement).Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueSounds
For some reason, which is like you always are, you're a dumbfuck. Which is why I won't even begin to argue your stupid comment. Nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
While I am tossing out insults, I might as well include you. Find a better translator or stfu since you fit into the dumbfuck category as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninthemperor
I didn't expect so many responses, but yeah I've been looking around and I think bumrocks wins! lol
Quite correct. Only a dumbfuck wouldn't understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Wouldn't expect anymore or less from you (at the present at least)...Quote:
Originally Posted by CabaloQuite correct. Only a dumbfuck wouldn't understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Sharing is caring needs to be from everyone. Only dumbfucks see it as a one way street.
Once again Cabalo...Instead of repeating myself I will just point you back to a previous statement.
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-cnm...66/postcount32
If you would take your head out of the sand, you would be able to understand how ridiculous, pitiful and sad it looks CN's announcement.
You should open your eyes and start looking for a new job, as sooner or later they will close. Unless you are happy to read every month the same threats "donate or we close", and you like to associate with such idea, then it's fine with me. It's not me who cares about having a "reputation" on some bt circles.
Dude use your brains. Our members didn't know we were changing servers, we told them about it because we would still have to pay for both servers this month. Stop being a dick. Go stalk another site. Or get a life. Just leave CN alone, gosh.
I'm not going to say much, but if a tracker cares about it's members then they should not do the 'donate or we'll close down x tracker' story every month.
You have referred to me and my importance to reputation on numerous occasions. I am not sure what made you come to that conclusion. Do I have a good reputation? I like to think so. BUT it is only because of who I am. Not who I pretend to be (I am not trying to say you are a pretender, btw). I am a straight up guy who doesn't bullshit. I also like to be helpful. So sue me. I didn't ask or apply for the CN "job". It was offered to me because of who I am and my reputation. I make no apologies for having a good rep and being the person I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Do I like the announcement about donating? No. I doubt the sysop did either. Imo opinion it just opened the doors for us to be lumped in with all the other donation drama shizzle that has gone on elsewhere. But as a staff member who is privy to certain info by the sysop who, unlike other drama related donation stories/sites, actually keeps us informed. Unlike other sites, nobody is profiting from donations. Unlike other sites, the only time such an announcement is made is when funds are truly low. This is not a recurring announcement or mass PM 1, 2, 3-4 time a month every month thing. As a matter of fact, a couple a months ago, I know of one senior staff members who made a sizable donation so not only could we continue on but so that a mass PM/announcement didn't have to be made. You could say I am full of shit...But then you wouldn't know me.
I don't believe I will make anyone believe anything different than what they already think. I'm not naive. But I will continue to write...
I agree with you 100%. I'm glad this is not the case at CN. That type of message has been seen at CN approximately 2 times in the last 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdaddydude
I actually like CN tbh I did not want to criticize them for making this statement, I realize now, that is what this thread has become, but I didn`t want to criticize them. I just wanted to see your reaction on a statement in which many trackers are now posting. I don`t want CN gone. I may be new but I really like it there.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot they would have to pay for both servers that month. I get that announcement much better now.
If you really had loved the tracker, you would have read their rules properly and understood that it doesn't like publicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champo101
So stop repenting what you have done and making it sound otherwise.
Who stalked who? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Supervisor
I would find it rather interesting to see you make such comment fit on this threat:
Code:However, I would like to get your attention that starting from today, If we didn't cover the costs at any month, we will have to officially shut down.
Not much to add to my previous post, but seems to me CN has its days counted. Maybe this post is even helpful to your cause, as some people will spend their money to prove me wrong, instead spending it on other real life things.Quote:
Originally Posted by bumrocks
Glad to help. :)
hmm. I am that dumb. They do not like publicity :mellow:
I read rules. Obviously they didn't stick with me. Sorry.
I'm closing this thread
EDIT: I can't freaking remember how to close it!!
threat lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
For how long have you been saying that again? It's been almost 2 years mate, your predictions have been failing all along apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
You can only close your threads in the invite sections. Report this one to have a Mod lock it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champo101
OHHH K I will do that soon. I'm lazy right now.
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Originally Posted by Champo101
Note from the language police,in English we say "has it's(his) days numbered" or more appropriately " it's(his) days are numbered" :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Note from the language police,in English we say "has it's(his) days numbered" or more appropriately " it's(his) days are numbered" :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo