Demonoid Confusion

I am fairly new to the torrent world and am a little confused about private trackers. Every forum I visit claims that "so and so tracker is hard to get into." Among them is Demonoid. I've heard mixed messages about Demonoid. One is that its very hard to get into similar to bitme and only by invites. However, maybe its my luck, I got an account on Desmonoid today. From what I read, Demonoid is a semi-private tracker.

Can someone clear this up for me? I want to learn more about this and have searched everywhere.

Thank you in advance.

Demonoid is one of the easiest trackers to get on. They give invite codes like candy and open registrations semi-regularly.

Demonoid is a semi-private tracker with huge diverse content.If you are in a country where downloading pirated stuff is pain in the ass then stay away from it.
IPTorrents is a private tracker,also with a huge amount of content.Its better if you join there.(Its safer than demonoid)
If you want specialised trackers then you need to ask/search for them yourself.

FYI
1.Hard to get into does not mean the tracker is better w.r.t content/speeds etc.It just means it is hard to get into,nothing more,nothing less.
2.Trading/Cheating is a big no-no in private BT.Dont do it and 50% is already O.K
3.Seed your files to a ratio of 1:1 or till whatever the tracker says you to need to seed and dont hit and run.The rest 50% is covered as well.
4.When you have joined several trackers and you need to get a positive ratio in trackers where you want to download then use a Cheap seedbox and buffer every tracker for one month and for the rest of your life you wont have ratio problems.(kinda douchebag advice but this is how many survive)

Technically it's "semi-private" because you can also post .torrents from other trackers on their site (labeled as "external" torrents).

You can download their torrents without an account also.

Demonoid is indeed semi-private . As has been pointed out, non-members have access to the torrents (with restrictions, i think), plus they include external public torrents in their index . The forums are Private , which makes it worthwhile joining .

Will you be happy with your Demonoid account ? ..... that depends on what you want from torrenting/file sharing .

Stop downloading illegal things or you'll go to hell.

Okay thanks everyone for the help.
Though, another question. Is it true that ratios are not a big thing on Demonoid?

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Originally Posted by ticchen

Is it true that ratios are not a big thing on Demonoid?

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Ratio is absolutely meaningless there, not to mention they use an IP system to keep track of it, which isn't very accurate at times. Unless you care about that icon next to your nickname or what people may think of you for having a low ratio, don't give the matter further thought.

There is alot of mis-information in this thread.

Semi-Private = the forums are private (registered members only), the Demonoid tracked torrents are private, the 'external' torrents are public.
Ratio is not meaningless, but it is not enforced... it's mostly a 'ego-thing'.
They do not track by IP address... they track by 'member number'.

For example - White.Collar.S02E04.By.the.Book.HDTV.XviD.FQM.269XXXX.6834.torrent

269XXXX.6834 is a member number... edit that number out of the torrent name, and it becomes a 'public' (non-ratio) torrent.

Anyone who tells you differently, is mis-informed.

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

the Demonoid tracked torrents are private

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I just downloaded a Demonoid-tracker torrent as a guest. :unsure:

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Ratio is not meaningless, but it is not enforced...

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That's what I meant with "meaningless".

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They do not track by IP address... they track by 'member number'.

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This is wrong. I suggest you change your IP and try to download a Demonoid torrent without being logged in to the site with your new address. You'll see your stats don't update.

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For example - White.Collar.S02E04.By.the.Book.HDTV.XviD.FQM.269XXXX.6834.torrent

269XXXX.6834 is a member number... edit that number out of the torrent name, and it becomes a 'public' (non-ratio) torrent.

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How would they know you've changed the number? The filename isn't passed to the tracker, and the info_hash remains the same.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

I just downloaded a Demonoid-tracker torrent as a guest. :unsure:

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Demonoid allows a limited number of 'free' downloads by 'guests'. If you look at the torrent name, it won't have a 'member-number'.

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Ratio is not meaningless, but it is not enforced...

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That's what I meant with "meaningless".

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If you say so... my response was more accurate.

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They do not track by IP address... they track by 'member number'.

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This is wrong. I suggest you change your IP and try to download a Demonoid torrent without being logged in to the site with your new address. You'll see your stats don't update.

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Again, I refer you to the 'member-number'. Proof... the torrent you downloaded as a 'guest', and the same torrent being available on Pirate Bay, etc. The 'external copies' won't have the 'member-number' in the filename.

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For example - White.Collar.S02E04.By.the.Book.HDTV.XviD.FQM.269XXXX.6834.torrent

269XXXX.6834 is a member number... edit that number out of the torrent name, and it becomes a 'public' (non-ratio) torrent.

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How would they know you've changed the number? The filename isn't passed to the tracker, and the info_hash remains the same.[/QUOTE]

Again, 'member-number'... not the 'private-flag'... and the 'external copies'.

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Demonoid allows a limited number of 'free' downloads by 'guests'. If you look at the torrent name, it won't have a 'member-number'.

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Yes, that's right.

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Again, 'member-number'... not the 'private-flag'... and the 'external copies'.

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I fail to see how this number is passed to the tracker. I downloaded the same .torrent while logged in to my account, and they're exactly the same (checked the MD5).

The member number you mention is merely appended to the filename when you download .torrents while logged in and isn't used to identify you when you leech or seed. Even if it was, it's easily changeable like you mentioned.

Your failure to understand is your problem, the facts I stated remain.

Wwwildthing, I'm sorry but you're talking out your ass here. You cannot edit the filename of a .torrent file and expect any sort of change. I could rename my torrent to "thisfilesuckscocks.torrent" and the torrent will work, regardless. The name is irrelevant. Editing a filename has nothing to do with whether a torrent is public or private, nor does it have any effect on the ratio reported to the tracker. Even external torrents will generally have the demonoid tracker in their tracker list, which will cause stats to be reported to the tracker regardless of whether the peers you're connected to were obtained from demonoid's tracker or openbittorrent's tracker.

The "member number" is just a generated number, it's irrelevant. Your ratio is tracked based on your IP, since demonoid doesn't use passkeys. It's mostly irrelevant though since the demonoid staff team doesn't give two craps about your ratio.

By the way, your "member number" that you describe is not your member number. You can view your userid by checking your torrent list from your profile, it's a completely different number.

AND I just checked and an external torrent also had that number appended.

Alright, completely confused =/

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Originally Posted by ticchen

Alright, completely confused =/

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Don't worry about it mate... you'll find this happens with about 99 out of 100 threads posted. Just wade through what's posted and try to take info out of it that answers your question.

Threads on here start of addressing what you originally asked, then they take a complete tangent as other people jump in and start to converse with each other. It's not a slight on you, just look at any other threads :lol:

Also, don't worry if you don't understand some stuff... you'll notice some members knowledge is greater than others, and their 'base level' if higher than a lot can understand, again it happens :) If you're really lucky, you'll get some idiot pretending to be an expert only to be shot down in flames... those are the good threads :)

I downloaded the same torrent 3 times... once while logged-in, once as a 'guest' (same IP address on both) and finally while using TOR... the only difference between the 3 files, was the 'member-name'.

This is why it also works when you download the same torrent from The Pirate bay (verified by MD5 check).

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

There is alot of mis-information in this thread.

blah blah blah, the Demonoid tracked torrents are private, blah blah blah.......

Anyone who tells you differently, is mis-informed.

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Comedy gold .
Non-members have always had limited access to Demonoid tracked torrents .

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

There is alot of mis-information in this thread.

blah blah blah, the Demonoid tracked torrents are private, blah blah blah.......

Anyone who tells you differently, is mis-informed.

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Comedy gold .
Non-members have always had limited access to Demonoid tracked torrents .

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Yes, I stated this in my follow-up post.

So in conclusion non members on Demonoid:
1. can't access forum
2. limited access on torrents

Got that right?
Sorry, but I'm trying =/

I believe the thread title is most appropriate...

Now if the OP can decipher and figure out who gave good info, who gave useless info, and who gave bad info...

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

There is alot of mis-information in this thread.

Semi-Private = the forums are private (registered members only), the Demonoid tracked torrents are private, the 'external' torrents are public.
Ratio is not meaningless, but it is not enforced... it's mostly a 'ego-thing'.
They do not track by IP address... they track by 'member number'.

For example - White.Collar.S02E04.By.the.Book.HDTV.XviD.FQM.269XXXX.6834.torrent

269XXXX.6834 is a member number... edit that number out of the torrent name, and it becomes a 'public' (non-ratio) torrent.

Anyone who tells you differently, is mis-informed.

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You should let the Demonoid staff know that they don't track stats by a member's IP. They all seem to be under the impression that they do, and they're giving out a lot of misinformation in their forums...

http://i33.tinypic.com/28bcvtx.jpg

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Originally Posted by ticchen

So in conclusion non members on Demonoid:
1. can't access forum
2. limited access on torrents

Got that right?
Sorry, but I'm trying =/

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3. Many Demonoid torrents can also be found on other trackers, such as The Pirate Bay, H33T, etc.

@P2PDog - It's been this way since they were knocked off of Leaseweb (to my knowledge, that's when I noticed it)... given that it's been under new management since then, they either don't know or don't care.

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

@P2PDog - It's been this way since they were knocked off of Leaseweb (to my knowledge, that's when I noticed it)... given that it's been under new management since then, they either don't know or don't care.

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I was attempting to be facetious.

Everyone in this thread, and even the staff of Demonoid know that they track stats by IP address, and you're still not willing to admit you're wrong?

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

3. Many Demonoid torrents can also be found on other trackers, such as The Pirate Bay, H33T, etc.

@P2PDog - It's been this way since they were knocked off of Leaseweb (to my knowledge, that's when I noticed it)... given that it's been under new management since then, they either don't know or don't care.

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I was attempting to be facetious.

Everyone in this thread, and even the staff of Demonoid know that they track stats by IP address, and you're still not willing to admit you're wrong?

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Ok, so here's my question...

When I download the exact same torrent (verified by MD5 check) from The Pirate Bay... how does Demonoid know my IP address?
Then tell me how they know it when I'm using TOR?

When you download or seed a torrent using the Demonoid tracker using the IP address that is currently associated with your account, they will track the stats for that torrent. If you log into the site with one IP, then download the torrent with a different IP (for example: using a seedbox) then the stats will not be recorded on your account.

Edit: If you don't believe me, then go have a look at the numerous posts in the Ratio Help subforum of the Demonoid forums.

I'd recommend starting with this one: http://fora.demonoid.com/index.php?topic=107626.0

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

When you download or seed a torrent using the Demonoid tracker using the IP address that is currently associated with your account, they will track the stats for that torrent. If you log into the site with one IP, then download the torrent with a different IP (for example: using a seedbox) then the stats will not be recorded on your account.

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If you download a torrent, and remove the 'member-number' from the file name... it won't count toward your ratio... regardless of what IP address you are using.

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

When you download or seed a torrent using the Demonoid tracker using the IP address that is currently associated with your account, they will track the stats for that torrent. If you log into the site with one IP, then download the torrent with a different IP (for example: using a seedbox) then the stats will not be recorded on your account.

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If you download a torrent, and remove the 'member-number' from the file name... it won't count toward your ratio... regardless of what IP address you are using.

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Of course it will, as long as you seed it from the same IP address that is currently associated with your Demonoid account.
What the file is named is irrelevant, as others have already explained to you.

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Originally Posted by Wwwildthing

If you download a torrent, and remove the 'member-number' from the file name... it won't count toward your ratio... regardless of what IP address you are using.

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Of course it will, as long as you seed it from the same IP address that is currently associated with your Demonoid account.
What the file is named is irrelevant, as others have already explained to you.

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Then perhaps you can explain to me why my ratio hasn't changed since they were bumped off of Leaseweb?

A. Same IP, edited filename.

Why don't you pose that question, along with your theory that stats are tracked by member number and not IP addresses in Demonoid's forum where their own staff members can address it?

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

Why don't you pose that question, along with your theory that stats are tracked by member number and not IP addresses in Demonoid's forum where their own staff members can address it?

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Because it doesn't bother me that it's broken.

In any event, it doesn't explain why Demonoid torrents still work... when you download them from a Pirate Bay account.

A. Because they're not 'private' torrents... and they never were.

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

Why don't you pose that question, along with your theory that stats are tracked by member number and not IP addresses in Demonoid's forum where their own staff members can address it?

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Because it doesn't bother me that it's broken.

In any event, it doesn't explain why Demonoid torrents still work... when you download them from a Pirate Bay account.

A. Because they're not 'private' torrents... and they never were.

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It may not bother you, but you still seem to be under the impression that Demonoid stats are tracked by member number, and not IP addresses, and you're wrong about that. You don't seem to want to believe anything anyone here is telling you, so that's why I suggest you take the issue up with the Demonoid staff, and you can get your answer straight from the horses mouth.

Demonoid torrents will work no matter where you download them from. You're connecting to the Demonoid tracker, it doesn't care where you found the .torrent file.

Edit: This is from that link I posted earlier. I really recommend you read it...

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I haven't downloaded anything from Demonoid in a while, but my ratio keeps changing. Should I assume my account was hacked, and if so how can it be checked/proved?

It could be a case of dynamic IP's at work. The one Demonoid had stored next to your account was probably assigned to someone else who was a member of Demonoid and their stats got added to yours.

Or you inadvertently downloaded and seeded a Demonoid tracked torrent from another site, unaware that the stats would be sent to the Demonoid tracker. This seems to be the reason it happens mostly, people downloading Demonoid tracked torrents from other torrent index sites.

Or lastly, you share a network with others (room-mates/family) and they might have done like above or downloaded directly from Demonoid using their own account.
In which case, Demonoid only sees the one external IP, so it's luck of the draw who gets the stats.

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Demonoid torrents will work no matter where you download them from. You're connecting to the Demonoid tracker, it doesn't care where you found the .torrent file.

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As I posted earlier... I download 3 copies of the same torrent from Demonoid... one while logged in, another as a 'guest' and the third while using TOR.

Now using this info... tell me why my ratio never changed?

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Demonoid torrents will work no matter where you download them from. You're connecting to the Demonoid tracker, it doesn't care where you found the .torrent file.

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As I posted earlier... I download 3 copies of the same torrent from Demonoid... one while logged in, another as a 'guest' and the third while using TOR.

Now using this info... tell me why my ratio never changed?

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http://fora.demonoid.com/index.php?topic=107626.0

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My ratio isn't updating correctly, how can I fix it ?

To ensure your RATIO is properly recorded, two conditions must be met.

1) The Demonoid Tracker MUST have your PRESENT IP Address, associated with your Demonoid Account.

To associate the current IP with your account

• Log out of your Demonoid account
• Clear your browser's cache & cookies
• Log in to Demonoid

To check that Demonoid has your current IP, look in your profile. The Last visit: should display a few seconds ago, like so~

http://graphicshost.net/images/ui6w0fn3c40t5lb.png

2) Once the Demonoid Tracker has your PRESENT IP Address, you must send the "event=stopped" message, for each torrent tracked by Demonoid.

To send the event=stopped message from your torrent client

• After you've associated your IP with your account on Demonoid, DO NOT EXIT your torrent client.
• First you have to press STOP on each of the torrents in your torrent client that are using the Demonoid tracker.
• This sends the "event=stopped" message to the tracker with your ratio stats for that particular torrent (since you last stopped the torrent).
• Wait a short time, then you can restart the torrents if you want to continue seeding or exit the torrent client if you have finished.

Hopefully your ratio should be updated within 24 HOURS.

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If those two conditions were met, then your stats would update. If they weren't, they won't. Also note that Demonoid only updates stats once per day.

My ratio hasn't changed since they were bumped off of Leaseweb.

Then you're not meeting the conditions mentioned in the previous post.

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Then you're not meeting the conditions mentioned in the previous post.

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I seriously doubt that... given that it's been 3 years.

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Then you're not meeting the conditions mentioned in the previous post.

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I seriously doubt that... given that it's been 3 years.

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Do you know the story of the donkey which thought it sang better than the Nightingale?Well,if you dont know,the message conveyed by the story is:Ignorance is bliss and bliss it is,for the ignorant.Ofcourse if you think the Donkey sings better than the nightingale then its a different story :)

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Originally Posted by TraLaLa

Stop downloading illegal things or you'll go to hell.

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lol...
are you saying this seriously?
;-)