I don't know what to do.
EDIT: Please just participate to this topic if you have already seriously though about the issue.
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I don't know what to do.
EDIT: Please just participate to this topic if you have already seriously though about the issue.
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Think about it over a nice, juicy burger. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 14:32
I don't know what to do.
Vegetarians taste better.
Sorry i need blood http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/f...ingaburger.gif
wtf vegetarians taste better? eating humans? errr.... i think vegetarians are stupid i mean the cow is gona die anyway why not just kill it and eat it
edit:sorry all the vegetarians in this forum :lol: :rolleyes:
vegerterians drink milk etc, vegans dont eat anything that has come from animals, two different things mate
Edit: DasScoot fking canibal
Well, it sounds like none of you never ever really though about that issue <_<
Thinking sometimes is benefic. You should try <_<
judging by your avatar, you better keep to meat ;)Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 18:50
Well, it sounds like none of you never ever really though about that issue <_<
Thinking sometimes is benefic. You should try <_<
Vege's and Vegans suffer a lot from Vitimin and mineral defficiencys and have to take supplements. Would you rather eat the real thing or shove pills made with chemicals down ur gullet just to stay healthy.
I personally dont see the problem with meat or animal products as long as the animal was killed humanly and the produce is all used rather than 90% thrown away like shark fin soup and the shark is left to die on its own etc etc
weve evolved to eat animals. thats life, sorry guys
judging by your avatar, you better keep to meat ;) [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123+4 November 2003 - 19:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nigel123 @ 4 November 2003 - 19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-leonidas@4 November 2003 - 18:50
Well, it sounds like none of you never ever really though about that issue <_<
Thinking sometimes is benefic. You should try <_<
Yeh that's funny.
But damn, no one's can serious here? :angry:
What would you day if I wana kill you humanly?Quote:
Originally posted by Xanex@4 November 2003 - 19:57
Vege's and Vegans suffer a lot from Vitimin and mineral defficiencys and have to take supplements. Would you rather eat the real thing or shove pills made with chemicals down ur gullet just to stay healthy.
I personally dont see the problem with meat or animal products as long as the animal was killed humanly and the produce is all used rather than 90% thrown away like shark fin soup and the shark is left to die on its own etc etc
I mean animals can be dum or whatever but they may apreciate their lives just like us.
I was a vegetarian for 8 years until six months ago.
The only thing I learned was I wasted 8 years eating rice and peas when I could have had steak every day. Doh.
ok good point my spelling sux0rs. when i say humainly i mean that its quick and painless and they are not left to suffer a slow painfull death.
tranq dart and then head chopped off i would consider humain, the animal just "fell asleep and died" didnt know what hit it, fair and simple
they may apprieciate their lives just like us but no one tells a shark or an aligator not to kill a human cos they have feelings too kinda thing, they just kill to survive and since we out number many of the species here i think its reasonable to be able to survive as well as long as its all nice and legal and soft n fluffy like with regards to animals and our eating of them
spelling is 4 sux0rs
vegans also refuse to wear, own, or whatever, that contains anything from an animal, such as, leather soled shoes, or a handbag.Quote:
Originally posted by Kunal@4 November 2003 - 18:42
vegerterians drink milk etc, vegans dont eat anything that has come from animals, two different things mate
Edit: DasScoot fking canibal
I'm vegetarian for 2 years and some months now and it was no problems at all.Quote:
Originally posted by chalice@4 November 2003 - 20:01
I was a vegetarian for 8 years until six months ago.
The only thing I learned was I wasted 8 years eating rice and peas when I could have had steak every day. Doh.
Now I eat veegan since 1 month as I 'm not sure wich of the 2 diet I'm gonna choose.
Yeh that's funny.Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas+4 November 2003 - 18:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leonidas @ 4 November 2003 - 18:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123@4 November 2003 - 19:54
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@4 November 2003 - 18:50
Well, it sounds like none of you never ever really though about that issue <_<
Thinking sometimes is benefic. You should try <_<
judging by your avatar, you better keep to meat ;)
But damn, no one's can serious here? :angry: [/b][/quote]
Well we can be serious, but it's not much fun... and this is the lounge. If you wish for a serious discussion carry on ...
Well we can be serious, but it's not much fun... and this is the lounge. If you wish for a serious discussion carry on ... [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123+4 November 2003 - 20:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nigel123 @ 4 November 2003 - 20:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 18:58
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Originally posted by nigel123@4 November 2003 - 19:54
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Well, it sounds like none of you never ever really though about that issue <_<
Thinking sometimes is benefic. You should try <_<
judging by your avatar, you better keep to meat ;)
Yeh that's funny.
But damn, no one's can serious here? :angry:
Ok. so I declare jokes allowed <_<
Veganism is difficult. You spend your life walking on eggshells (so to speak).
Vegetarianism is easy but its also a form of self-denial.
I just reached a point where I thought, life's too short, gimme that cheeseburger.
I'll take my chances as far as karma is concerned.
What would happen to all the cows if we stopped milking them?
Bovine studies have shown cogitation without lactation to be impossible. :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123@4 November 2003 - 15:12
What would happen to all the cows if we stopped milking them?
They can't even think unless you milk them! ;)
Yeh but I don't want to think only about myself & my health I want to wage my live in a moral way. That's important for me. It has furthermore nothing to do with karma.Quote:
Originally posted by chalice@4 November 2003 - 20:10
Veganism is difficult. You spend your life walking on eggshells (so to speak).
Vegetarianism is easy but its also a form of self-denial.
I just reached a point where I thought, life's too short, gimme that cheeseburger.
I'll take my chances as far as karma is concerned.
Ok, who is going to care for all the animals, where are they all going to live? The problems are possibly greater than you realise.
Yeh but I don't want to think only about myself & my health I want to wage my live in a moral way. That's important for me. It has furthermore nothing to do with karma. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas+4 November 2003 - 19:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leonidas @ 4 November 2003 - 19:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalice@4 November 2003 - 20:10
Veganism is difficult. You spend your life walking on eggshells (so to speak).
Vegetarianism is easy but its also a form of self-denial.
I just reached a point where I thought, life's too short, gimme that cheeseburger.
I'll take my chances as far as karma is concerned.
Morally, there is no question. Why ask it?
If you want a pat on the back, then well done but if your morals are as firmly fixed as you say they are then there can be no other option than veganism.
J2 and Nigel, Heaven forfend those cows should suckle their young.
Bovine studies have shown cogitation without lactation to be impossible. :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4+4 November 2003 - 20:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 4 November 2003 - 20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@4 November 2003 - 15:12
What would happen to all the cows if we stopped milking them?
They can't even think unless you milk them! ;) [/b][/quote]
I know It looks stupid for most people not even to drink milk.
But the point is that a cow is animal suposed to live about 20 years, but as their milk production slow down when they reach the age of 5 years, they are just killed in order to be eaten. In addition if you want a cow to give you milk, she must have a veal to provoque the milk production, and the argument of vegans is: the veal industry is prolific because of that.
veegan is not a diet it is a lifestyle that incorporates diets, as another post rightly pointed out veegans will not wear leather belts or purchase or use any animal produce.Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 19:04
Now I eat veegan since 1 month as I 'm not sure wich of the 2 diet I'm gonna choose.
I think one of the biggest problems with vegiterians is that most people assume this automatically disapproves of their culture of believes, I have changed my mind obout this over time and am now happy to accommodate vegiterians (i admit i have not always had a positive attituide towards them)
it was once pointed out to me, in one of those view changing experiences :blink: that the amount of meat required by an individula would be about a on centimeter cube a day, therefore it probably is a viable dietry choice
but to be honest, as diet that is based on beliefs i truly cann't understand why anyone would chose it, would it not be better to lobby unethical companys (i do like my meat as my waist line would indicate)
True, but cows are not what they used to be! A calf would not be able to consume the milk of a let say a frisian cow. If such a cow was not milked, it would die.
Vegetarianism mostly effects your eating style, but veeganism effects your social and finiancial status, example this one landlord at a mall doesn't rent out to stores that sells meat or leather and she refuses to kill ants that infests her complex so she is losing tenents.
I try to go Vegetarian but i forget the next day and accidently eat a hot pocket. I wont even try Veegan.
None I'd rather be fat and eat meat. You only live once. :D
Interresting. Are those kind/race of cows very widespreaded?Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123@4 November 2003 - 20:33
True, but cows are not what they used to be! A calf would not be able to consume the milk of a let say a frisian cow. If such a cow was not milked, it would die.
I know that thanks.Quote:
veegan is not a diet it is a lifestyle that incorporates diets, as another post rightly pointed out veegans will not wear leather belts or purchase or use any animal produce.
Both aren't uncompatibleQuote:
would it not be better to lobby unethical companys
Interresting. Are those kind/race of cows very widespreaded? [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas+4 November 2003 - 20:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leonidas @ 4 November 2003 - 20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@4 November 2003 - 20:33
True, but cows are not what they used to be! A calf would not be able to consume the milk of a let say a frisian cow. If such a cow was not milked, it would die.
theyve been bred that way for hundreds of years. y'know those paintings of big square cows. they arent for art thats like a photo showing off he weve fucked cows about, i think they need us now
I've been vegetarian for 10 years, as has my brother, and my girlfriend has been for most of her life. We are all healthy and fit. I'm surprised that there hasn't been anyone else posting in support of a vegan diet.
I once enjoyed reading an essay on the subject by the electronica artist, Moby. He is far, far more eloquent than me on the subject. I hope that everyone will take the time to read it, and if they choose to pass comment, do so as adults and not children.
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Originally posted by Moby@ Play
"Oftentimes when I meet somone they ask why
I'm a vegan(a vegan is someone who niether eats,
wears, or uses animal products). Before I list the
reasons why I've chosen to be a vegan let me say that
I don't jusdge people who choose to eat meat. People
make different choices for different reasons, and it
is not my place to judge the choices that other people
make. Just being alive is inevitably going to cause
suffering. But anyway, here's why I'm a vegan.
1)I love animals, and I believe that a vegan diet causes
less suffering than a diet centered around animal
products.
2) Animals are sentient creatures with there
own wills, and it seems wrong to force our will onto
another creature just becasue we are able.
3)A great deal of medical evidence points to the fact that a
diet centered around animal products is terrible for
you. Animal product based diets have been repeatedly
proven to cause and exacerbate cancer, heart disease,
obesity, impotence, diabetes,etc.
4)A vegan diet is materially more efficient than an
animal product based
diet. By that I mean that you can feed lot's more
people with grain directly than by feeding that grain
to a cow and then killing the cow. In a world where
people are starving it seems criminal to fatten up
cows with grain that could be keeping people alive.
5)The raising of farm animals is environmentally
disastrous. All of the waste from animal farming gets
washed into our water supply, poisoning our drinking
water and fouling our lakes, streams, and oceans.
6)Vegan food is nice to look at. Compare a plate with
grains and fruits and vegetables to a plate with pigs'
intestines, chicken legs, and chopped up cows'
muscles.
So that's pretty much why I'm a vegan. If for
some reason you ever decide to become a vegetarian or
a vegan, please do so carefully. Most of our
conventional diets are so meat and animal product
based that when we give up meat we don't know what to
replace it with. Although a vegetarian or vegan diet
is a million times healthier than a carnivorous diet,
making the transition away from animals needs to be
done wisely. Most health food stores and bookstores
have good books that can help you make the transition
from an animal product based diet to a vegatarian or
vegan diet.
be a veggie - vegan is really hard to do :)
be normal - stop lying to yourself
vegetarian is better than vegan and normal is better than both
if you're vegan you can't have milk, which could lead to a calcium deficency and you'll end up like Samuel L Jackson in the movie unbreakable, maybe - also you can't have milkshakes, hmm, where's that favorite food thread?
im a demi - vegetarian, only eat poultry.
have been for 12 years.
i turned when i was 14, and my mum told me i had to eat some form of meat so it was easier to cook for me. i would have turned full veggie when i moved out, but i dont feel as strongly about it as when i was a kid.
theres a food chain for a reason.
i did try eating meat a while ago, and was very ill.
miss bacon rolls and pepperami's. :(
You see you started the post with the question i don't know what to do, now you've went and pissed me off lol, i'll be rawer if you want???Quote:
Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 20:13
I know that thanks.Quote:
veegan is not a diet it is a lifestyle that incorporates diets, as another post rightly pointed out veegans will not wear leather belts or purchase or use any animal produce.
When their are people starving in the world (and i've seen it first hand) you are previlaged you have s choice on what you want to eat, most vegiterians make such a strong stand of what is on the scope of things a trivial matter, there is a life and death cycle and your life will inevitably cause death (though hopefully not to other humans), vegitarianism is to me a self indulgence, half assed stance on how placid one is and how immoral the death and ill treatment of animals is,
what i say is if your going to do to do it, do it right, i encountered a tribe one time that did not believe in killing anything, they wore masks over there faces incase they breathed in insects, and swept the path in front of them in case they should stand on and consequently kill anything, if you truly want to make a stand make it, no one, worth their salt, cares about half assed attempts like vegitarianism
After taking in the dietry requirement of vegitarians i am tempted to ask if they would return the favour and make a courtesy call before i attend their dinner for large rare 12 oz steak
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whilst i hope this post is recieved in the tounge in cheek nature it is written on, i can't do anything about your misinterpretation
EDIT: spelling
Vegi is far easier than vegan, so far as time and energy required to maintain a good state of health. Neither diet requires "chemical" supplements or pills. Look into complimentary proteins, as in "Diet for a Small Planet".
I'm a by chance vegi, was cooking for a job, got tired of dealing with meat. Stopped eating it for a couple months, without trying or thinking about it, then got involved with girl (now wife) who was vegi. Haven't had any meat for 20 years.
Managed to run five marathons in three years, no problems. Then I got the hernia.
Couple of "vegi facts" (don't know if their true, but vegi's are always repeating them):
16 pounds of grain required to produce 1 lb of beef.
In the USA, more water is consumed by raising cows than any other "crop" or by people.