Keep Track Of Your Filenames

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11-05-2003, 06:03 AM
darkewolf

Hi all- I just wanted to pass this along, since it seems like there are a LOT of files out there that have one name, even though they are by another band, or they are a different song.
I was looking for some songs by a band called WildSide- a hair band from the 80's-90's. Couldnt find any of them on KL, several nights in a row. So I decided since nobody has them, I'd rip the CD, and give peeps access to a really good (my opinion) band.

Well, one of the tracks on the album is called "Hair of the Dog" (which is not a remake of Queen's, btw). So after I got done ripping, I opened up KL, went to MyKazaalite k++ to start editing the info about the songs.
What did I find? KL had AUTOMATICALLY assigned this song as being by......QUEEN. Needless to say, I didnt want peeps thinking they were gonna get a Queen song, and then not get it. Or, not take the song because they want WildSide, and think it's Queen. So, I right clicked it, and changed the info.

Getting songs that are called one thing by KL, and turn out to be something else, is really fricken annoying, to a LOT of people. And just changing the filename of the song, doesnt change the info that KL tags to it. You have to go into My Kazaa Lite, which brings up everything in your shared folder. Then you click each one, and below it, it gives a list of all of the info that KL has tagged to it. You can change what it says about the file, by right clicking on the file, and choose EDIT DETAILS.

If we can keep some of these titles straightened out, its gonna give peeps one less thing to be unhappy about. And yeah...I went through over 430 files tonight, making sure that everything was what it was supposed to be. If I can, we all can.

(Btw- thanks MM for telling me how to edit that information!)
11-05-2003, 07:06 AM
nikita69

I agree with u and good tip. i ran into the same issue about a month ago with 5 band from the 80's and had to follow what u said. Yes, clean up the tags and change them accordingly. :)
11-05-2003, 08:15 AM
darkewolf

:D Just trying to do my part, when and where I can :)
11-05-2003, 10:01 AM
Barbarossa

Firstly, what did you use to rip the tracks?

It sounds to me like the problem is not KL. AFAIK, KL does not automatically assign artist names. More likely, your ripping software did a CDDB lookup which returned the wrong results.

I suspect if you look at the ID3 tag of the mp3 file it will say Queen as well. You should really change this too.
11-05-2003, 01:22 PM
echidna

isn't klite reading and writing ID3 tags on mp3s?

if not where does it get/store the meta-data it uses?

i didn't know that klite re-tagged any files?! does it ever write meta data without intervention?

ie shouldn't fixing the ID3 solve the issue (or is kazaa doing something else?)
[In my Sig there's a link to a very handy ID3 tool mp3tag]

does anyone know if we should be using version 1 or version 2 of ID3?
which version is kazaa using?
11-05-2003, 03:13 PM
Barbarossa

When you edit the details in kazaa (lite) you are editing the details as stored in the .dbb files in the DB folder of the kazaa (lite) installation.

The entries in this database get defaulted from the ID3 tag (I don't know which version, 1 or 2) when you add stuff to your shared folder, but kazaa (lite) never writes back any amendments to the ID3 tag, AFAIK. ;)
11-06-2003, 12:02 AM
iHadYourMomLastNight

:blink: it sounds to me as if the software you used to rip the cd has the auto look up cddb enabled. it probably looked up the wrong tag when you loaded the cd to rip it and tagged it with out your knowledge.
:blink: i use MusicMatch 7.2 to organize, add album art, rename, rip(actually i just started ripping w/CDEX[great software] cuz it lets you use the LAME encoder along wit many others[Fraunhoffer too :) ]) all my MP3's!!!! once they are ripped and tagged (by MMJB) my version of Kazaa reads the taggs exactly as they are in musicmatch....no prob! i agree in saying that tagggging correctly is essential and perhaps with the use of MMJB, WinAmp, and many other quality juke box software we can make file sharing more organized than it ever has been. (hahaha right!)
:blink: on another note, what quality bitrate do you people rip your mp3's at. all ive heard the past few weeks is that you don't want any less than 192kps VBR if possible. i used to rip at 128kps and i did notice quite a difff when i switched to 160kps, but i really can' t hear the difference between 160kps CBR & 192kps VBR.
what bitrate do you guys rip at?
11-06-2003, 01:56 AM
echidna

Quote:

Originally posted by iHadYourMomLastNight+6 November 2003 - 10:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (iHadYourMomLastNight @ 6 November 2003 - 10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> :blink: on another note, what quality bitrate do you people rip your mp3's at.  all ive heard the past few weeks is that you don't want any less than 192kps VBR if possible.  i used to rip at 128kps and i did notice quite a difff when i switched to 160kps, but i really can' t  hear the difference between 160kps CBR & 192kps VBR.
what bitrate do you guys rip at?[/b]

lame --alt-preset standard
it seems to encode at between 160-192 and higher at variable bitrate, depending on the data. B)

PS :: ripping is getting audio CDs onto hard disk, encoding is making a compressed version of a rip. ;)

Quote:

Originally posted by barbarossa@ 6 November 2003 - 01:13

  When you edit the details in kazaa (lite) you are editing the details as stored in the .dbb files in the DB folder of the kazaa (lite) installation.

i can't find any DB folder in my K++ install

<!--QuoteBegin-Exploring - Kazaa Lite K++
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\BannedIPs
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Kazupernodes
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Kazupernodes\Data
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Skins
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\web[/quote]

but since i can't find them and K++ still works fine, i don't know what you mean :huh:
11-06-2003, 10:54 AM
Barbarossa

@Echidna:

Try C://Documents and Settings/<whoever you are>/Application Data/Kazaa Lite

@IHadYOurMomLastNight:

I too used to rip at 128 because at the time I hadn't got alot of disk space. Now I rip at 192, but I'm happy to download stuff at 160 because I can't really tell the difference between 160 and 192 either, although I can now tell the difference between that and 128.

There's no point in encoding at 320 like some people do, because the human ear is not sensitive enough to benefit from the improvement, the only thing that will appreciate that is your dog!! :lol:
11-06-2003, 12:53 PM
cosmic doobie

Quote:

Originally posted by barbarossa@6 November 2003 - 10:54

There's no point in encoding at 320 like some people do, because the human ear is not sensitive enough to benefit from the improvement, the only thing that will appreciate that is your dog!! :lol:

;)
Please ignore that, my brother has ears like a dog and always encodes at 320 or 256 :D
11-09-2003, 01:39 AM
darkewolf

I guess that it is possible that the program that I use to rip (goldwave) could be adding that info to the files. Not sure, I dunno. It's using the LAME codecs for mp3.

ID3 tags? 'Splain that to somebody that is sorta new to this, please?
11-09-2003, 02:13 AM
echidna

Quote:

Originally posted by darkewolf+9 November 2003 - 11:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (darkewolf @ 9 November 2003 - 11:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I guess that it is possible that the program that I use to rip (goldwave) could be adding that info to the files.  Not sure, I dunno.  It's using the LAME codecs for mp3.

  ID3 tags?  'Splain that to somebody that is sorta new to this, please?[/b]

ID3 is a means of keeping text 'meta-data' with digital audio files
more specifically;

<!--QuoteBegin-http://www.id3.org/history.html
The past

Once upon a time, there were some giant companies that, with the failure of the 4-channel battle fresh in mind, formed an expert group with the mission to invent tomorrow's technology in sound compression. Fortunately, they did. The format, named MPEG Layer 3 or for short MP3, took advantage of the fact that our ears are not nearly as good as we generally believe them to be, and thus omitting frequencies that we wouldn't hear anyway. They also made the format suitable for streaming by letting the sound be represented in small, individually compressed blocks of audio data. Each block had a header containing some information relevant to the decoding process. As they ended up with a few bits to much, they used them for some additional information such as a 'copyright' bit and a 'private' bit.

Since the format had such an outstanding compression and still very good sound quality, it was soon adapted as the de facto standard for digital music. The lack of possibilities to include textual information in the files was however disturbingly present. Suddenly, someone (Eric Kemp alias NamkraD, I've been told) had a vision of a fix-sized 128-byte tag that would reside at the end of the audio file. It would include title, artist, album, year, genre and a comment field. Someone, possibly the very same someone, implemented this and everyone was happy. Soon afterwards, Michael Mutschler, the author of MP3ext, extended this tag, called ID3, to also include which track on the CD the music originated from. He used the last two bytes of the comment field for this and named his variant ID3 v1.1. (more information about ID3 and ID3v1.1 can be found here).

The present

The ID3 v1.1 tag still had some obvious limitations and drawbacks, though. It supported only a few fields of information, and those were limited to 30 characters, making it impossible to correctly describe "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy from BBC Radio" as well as "P.I. Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite Op. 71 a, Ouverture miniature danses caractéristiques by The New Philharmonic Orchestra, London, conducted by Laurence Siegel". Since the position of the ID3 v1.1 tag is at the end of the audio file it will also be the last thing to arrive when the file is being streamed. The fix size of 128 bytes also makes it impossible to extend further. That's why I (Martin Nilsson) and several along with me thought that a new ID3 tag would be appropriate.

The new ID3 tag is named ID3v2 and is currently in a state of 'informal standard'. That is, we decided, since there were less and less improvements and additions made, to proclaim the draft as a standard (an informal one since no standardization body has approved this decision). You can find the informal standard here. ID3v2 is often followed by its revision number, i.e. the current informal standard is ID3v2.4.0.[/quote]

hope th@ helps

ed. :: fixing hyperlink
11-09-2003, 09:23 AM
darkewolf

aye, it verifies what I thought you were talking about, thanks :)
11-13-2003, 12:55 AM
iHadYourMomLastNight

Quote:

Originally posted by echidna+6 November 2003 - 01:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (echidna @ 6 November 2003 - 01:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Quote:

Originally posted by iHadYourMomLastNight+6 November 2003 - 10:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (iHadYourMomLastNight @ 6 November 2003 - 10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> :blink: on another note, what quality bitrate do you people rip your mp3's at. all ive heard the past few weeks is that you don't want any less than 192kps VBR if possible.   i used to rip at 128kps and i did notice quite a difff when i switched to 160kps, but i really can' t hear the difference between 160kps CBR & 192kps VBR.
what bitrate do you guys rip at?[/b]

lame --alt-preset standard
it seems to encode at between 160-192 and higher at variable bitrate, depending on the data. B)

PS :: ripping is getting audio CDs onto hard disk, encoding is making a compressed version of a rip. ;)

<!--QuoteBegin-barbarossa@ 6 November 2003 - 01:13

When you edit the details in kazaa (lite) you are editing the details as stored in the .dbb files in the DB folder of the kazaa (lite) installation.

i can't find any DB folder in my K++ install

<!--QuoteBegin-Exploring - Kazaa Lite K++
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\BannedIPs
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Kazupernodes
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Kazupernodes\Data
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\Skins
C:\Program Files\Kazaa Lite K++\web[/quote]

but since i can't find them and K++ still works fine, i don't know what you mean :huh: [/b][/quote]
:blink:
11-14-2003, 02:05 AM
iHadYourMomLastNight

Quote:

Originally posted by echidna@5 November 2003 - 13:22

does anyone know if we should be using version 1 or version 2 of ID3?
which version is kazaa using?

:blink: i use version 2 and the reason why is here Audio Tagging Intro..... :blink:

on another note , i found something interesting this evening. someone on this thread posted earlier about the Kazaa reading the tag wrong.
here's what i found..........i was ripping(encoding, watever) at CBR(constant bit rate) 160/kps. i thought i couldn't tell the diff. well, many argued with me so i sat down in front of my hi fi at home ( has pc running to amp) and listened over and over to a STone Sour song that i ripped at CBR 160kps, CBR 192kps, & VBR 160-192kps. i could barely notice a diff if any at all. if i did notice a diff it was in the hi freq. range and not the lows (perhaps it was a better encoding of the voice. im unsure). anywayz that was enuff to convince me to use the VBR rate of 160-192kps. using that bit rate was just a bit bigger than the 160 CBR but not near as big as the 192 CBR. that tells me that 160 CBR is close but needs just a little more hard drive space for the complicated parts of the song. since there is no bit rate between 160 and 192 i reccomend using the VBR(variable bit rate 160-192). OK i know wat your thinxing "where the hell is this stoner going with this".
here's the kicker........Kazaa lite recognized all my id3v2 tags that were ripped at 160kps CBR but once i changed to the VBR of 160-192kps the tags were listed wrong thru Kazaa lite ( the my kazaa in the software engine) the times of the songs were wrong (usually longer than they actually are), the sizes of the files were listed wrong as well, and most annoying of all is that Kazaa lite listed the songs ripped at 128kps!!!!!! That's terrible cuz at this higher bit rate the song's quality is much better than at 128!!!! it makes me wonder how many songs ive past by in kazaa becuz of it listing it as 128kps.
Does anyone know how to remedy this. Now MusicMatchJukeBox read the tags correctly. Window Media Player 9 did as well, but the mini Windows media Player 2 read the times incorrectly as well.
Is there some kind of decoder i need to install that is new enuff to read these VBR mp3's accuratley? or just deal with it........ i dunno , do you? :blink: