What, do you think, makes a good member of a private tracker different from a bad...

What, do you think, makes a good member of a private tracker different from a bad member? It seems to me I still don't understand what makes a good member of a private tracker different from a bad member because people like kukushka feel ashamed that both of us are Russian-speaking people. As some of you may remember, another hdbits member told me, "Go back to Mininova where you belong." A few months ago, I posted this question in the bitmetv forums, and tequilavip (who's one of the bitmetv mods) responded (I don't exactly remember his response), saying something like this, "A good member is someone who uploads stuff, someone who doesn't cheat..." And I don't remember what else he said... Sometimes I feel mentally retarded 'cause I don't understand how people view me as a person... Anyway, what, according to your opinion, makes a good member of a tracker different from a bad member?

first of all u need to get over what people think abt u.in which ways will it effect ur morals and influence u as a person?if someone is in a deceit of falsely assuming who u r its their problem not urs, u r too soft dont let anyone play with ur emotions and why the heck will someone for u to decide where u belong mininova or hdbits? u got to know urself better and also u must consider the fact that everyone has a different opinion abt different things, some thought bhagat singh was a terrorist others believed he was a freedom fighter and its just the same with u, me and everyone
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first and foremost thing is to understand the rules of the tracker and abide with them, that in my opinion is very very important indeed, different trackers have different rules some encourage u to upload content like what.cd other want u seed it back like 0day trackers all in all the staff of the trackers knows whats good and bad for them so just by following rules and seed hard i think u deserve a place everywhere

Oleg, the issue people have with you (from what I've seen anyway) is that you seem to lack an understanding of a lot of basic computer concepts. The sort of people who torrent, and especially the sort of people who hang out on IRC are generally pretty knowledgeable about computers, and when you act the way you do they tend to think you're trolling rather than asking a serious question. In HDBits (especially since you got in during the closure) there's a huge sense that someone doesn't deserve to be a member if they don't know at least the basics about HD encoding.

My advice to you is that if you dislike a community, don't force yourself to hang out there. You can still belong to a torrent site without using their forums or IRC.

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Originally Posted by whatcdfan

by following rules and seed hard i think u deserve a place everywhere

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No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

Other than that, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed plenty of times in the past already. :ermm:

my advice is join another site, perhaps learn about encoding if it interests you, make rips that other people want idk your question is obviously rhetorical so i thought id throw in my 2c.

what did OlegL do? Lemme into the infoz :D
and a good member is someone who sucks staffer cock and has a big epeen.just my imho

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Originally Posted by GlazeKing

what did OlegL do? Lemme into the infoz :D

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Protip: search his post history before asking, it could save you time and bandwidth.

all members are good members until they do something bad.

a noob isnt a bad member, i know sod all about V0 V1 etc, or HD encoding (i just watch and listen to the shit) I also know nothing about cracking PC games, or even modding consoles (well Wii was easy but soldering and crap), I can burn/put them on an external hdd and play the things (some of the time) so does that make me a bad member/owner of BCG?

and we were/still are noobs about 1 subject or other.

I really dont understand these trackers that say you have to know the far end of a fart and which way it blows, before you can join it, personally i just wouldnt bother.

Well, at the end of the day, you just want to get some files that you need for your personal need, from the trackers.. Be a good member or bad member, doesn't matter. Generally, the traders & cheats are treated as bad members which I do not support.

Traders come due to the *invite system* and they don't do anything worng. Everyone have some amount of e-penis and they have something more. Hype of tracker= more trading.. See in the trade section. More than 90% of people would trade: hdbits,ftn,fsc or extigo. Why? because of their shitty invite system.

Cheats are nothing but people with low speed or don't have the money to buy seedbox for their use and those who wanna have large e-penis. The *ratio-system* is the main reason for these persons. Go to ratioless trackers and you will not see any cheats there.

So, the conclusion is: everyone is good member except they try to DDOS any tracker or try to hack into the db of any tracker.

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As some of you may remember, another hdbits member told me, "Go back to Mininova where you belong."

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for this answer, I'll say 2 things:
1. Either he is a stupid 16 year old fella who thinks that this bt trackers are all in his life and thinks everyone same as him.
2. His e-penis is very big. Need to cut down a bit for the shake of his personal life. :P

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Go to ratioless trackers and you will not see any cheats there.

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Not true, many people cheat on ratio-free trackers just for the hell of it. Specially when their name begins with an F and they offer promotions and perks based on your uploaded amount, even if they don't keep track of ratios.

Personally, I don't approve of that behavior. Ratio-free trackers are already making it very easy for you to "survive" by just, well, seeding. It's kind of indecent to fake upload, but who cares anyway. :idunno:

Let me speed this topic up, since it's not getting there fast enough. Torrentday. Torrentday. Torrentday. Now let's wait around for that tool to come around and explain how he's the embodiment of a perfect member, and cheaters are evil.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Torrentday. Torrentday. Torrentday. Now let's wait around for that tool to come around and explain how he's the embodiment of a perfect member, and cheaters are evil.

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You forgot the part about being 150% sure I got banned on every tracker I'm a member of. You must also use my name about fifty times in the same paragraph, so as to cause a seizure on most readers. But well, it's a good attempt.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

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looks like you've finally been brainwashed by all the trackers you belong to. although access to trackers may not be an absolute right, it's far from being a privilege.

i'd even say that new trackers should consider themselves lucky to still get loads of members given that nowadays, supply exceeds demand.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

looks like you've finally been brainwashed by all the trackers you belong to. although access to trackers may not be an absolute right, it's far from being a privilege.

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If you look at your trackers' rules, you'll notice they allow their staff to disable you for any reason, or even no reason at all, if they want to. Meaning, that as I see it, access to them is a privilege at its core. Hence what I said. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

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looks like you've finally been brainwashed by all the trackers you belong to. although access to trackers may not be an absolute right, it's far from being a privilege.

i'd even say that new trackers should consider themselves lucky to still get loads of members given that nowadays, supply exceeds demand.

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you deserve to be reported for flamming the thread.

He isn't flaming anyone.

Trying to pretend that cheaters are just some altruistic people with slow connections that can't make ends meet is laughable at best. They're a bunch of lazy assholes who merely want to grab as much as possible without having to seed or give anything back to the sites in question. You can ramble on about bandwidth caps and slow upload pipes all day long, but I know plenty of people who make due with what they have and I respect them for it. I don't have an ounce of respect for anyone who's thwarting the entire principle behind torrenting, which is that everyone in the swarm should be sharing back to increase swarm speed and longevity of the files.

Oh and re: Right, not a privilege, it's clearly a privilege. I don't see it ingrained in any charter of rights that I have the right to be a member of X tracker. And your membership can be arbitrarily revoked at any point. I'm not sure how that equates to anything else.

Bandwidth.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

looks like you've finally been brainwashed by all the trackers you belong to. although access to trackers may not be an absolute right, it's far from being a privilege.

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If you look at your trackers' rules, you'll notice they allow their staff to disable you for any reason, or even no reason at all, if they want to. Meaning, that as I see it, access to them is a privilege at its core. Hence what I said. :unsure:

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well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Well, at the end of the day, you just want to get some files that you need for your personal need, from the trackers.. Be a good member or bad member, doesn't matter. Generally, the traders & cheats are treated as bad members which I do not support.

Traders come due to the *invite system* and they don't do anything worng. Everyone have some amount of e-penis and they have something more. Hype of tracker= more trading.. See in the trade section. More than 90% of people would trade: hdbits,ftn,fsc or extigo. Why? because of their shitty invite system.

Cheats are nothing but people with low speed or don't have the money to buy seedbox for their use and those who wanna have large e-penis. The *ratio-system* is the main reason for these persons. Go to ratioless trackers and you will not see any cheats there.

So, the conclusion is: everyone is good member except they try to DDOS any tracker or try to hack into the db of any tracker.

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That might fly if anyone really needed to be either a member of a certain tracker or belong to a certain userclass. Truth is that people who break tracker rules are of a certain mindset where their concerns simply outstrip those of all others . The fact that it is bt as opposed to "real life " has little if anything to do with it.
I think in some countries that's called being selfish.

Btw I'm not defending either ratio systems or user classes .I can't say that I know the inner workings of trackers but the first seems archaic in this age of vastly different upload speeds and the second is little more than elitism and therefore has to be largely counter-productive.

As for what makes a good user I think there are a lot different things ,many of which people rarely are given credit for . One of the reasons that I have a problem with underclasses actually .
There are probably members of certain trackers that don't post much or aren't blessed with blazing upload speed but would probably rather lose a pinky than see harm done to the site . That may not be an ultraleet userclass member but that a great member as I see it.

The original purpose of this thread was to discuss something different from what we are discussing now, but maybe I shouldn't have created this thread. Maybe it's just another dumb FST thread and I apologize if you feel I should never have created it.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

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Actually they are but the notion shouldn't be taken to extremes .
I think the problem with the word privilege is that it drums up images of special entitlement ,which belonging to a bt tracker should never , but obviously often does, constitute.

Maybe I am a bit cynical today, but it appears to me as if the notions of "good member", and "community" seem to be dying out.

Trading (and selling) of invites are rampant, pay-to-leech and profiteering are "accepted", and anyone who says otherwise is "naive". The sites that have made these practices "acceptable" are gutting it, and will be the (legal) reasoning why filesharing needs to be regulated/eliminated. If these trends continue, the MPAA and RIAA are correct- these actions are counter to a notion of "library" and sharing, and amount to selling stolen goods. This is a problem on both the user, and tracker ends.

The corruption present in this community is wretched. If there is not a massive call for change, what is the point of private sites, rules, and "acceptable etiquette" on a site? The growing attitudes seems to be, "Take what you want. Who cares, it's just BT".

I would like to be wrong here, but rarely does anyone even bring up the question (like in this thread) of how someone should conduct themselves in the community. Sad.

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

I'll say again, bandwidth. It's a simple question, deserving of a simple answer. The big problem is that the vast majority of people, who play all too frequently, in this field don't torrent to torrent, they torrent to gain the esteem of peers. What makes these private trackers go around is bandwidth. Bandwidth. BANDWIDTH.

How that bandwidth is spent by the people who play is a revolving cycle of backstabbing and asslicking, yes, usually done simultaneously. Granted, there are a good number of people who work their asses off for the enjoyment of others, yeah, but they are the ones who do it for the sharing, not the recognition, and they are vastly outnumbered by the people who accord too much value to the social interactions they have on a daily basis online, and the weight their nickname carries.

The smaller the group, the more weight each individual voice has, and the more empowered those individual voices feel. That feeling of empowerment can be pretty addictive, and I think that gets demonstrated every day in bt.

So, I guess if I am going to give a wordy answer to your query OleGL, it would be that a good user has the sense to not over-invest themselves, while actually using all these flipping trackers. A bad user is anyone else, because they are not using the tool of the torrenting protocol as it is intended, and that makes them a waste of resources(which, despite all outward appearances, are NOT limitless). If people of like interest gather around that interest, the community is inevitable.

It's really simple. Seed

It doesn't matter if you post on forums, play on IRC etc. Just download, (maybe even upload if safe) and SEED

It doesn't matter if you know your shit. Fuck, even if I could soldermod any console with complex instructions, I'm not good enough to be at BCG, because unlike the tracker shit, I do know my electronics shit, so guess we're in the same boat Olegl BTW this has nothing to do with stoi, who is a standup guy. It was one of his Nazi admins.

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Go to ratioless trackers and you will not see any cheats there.

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Not true, many people cheat on ratio-free trackers just for the hell of it. Specially when their name begins with an F and they offer promotions and perks based on your uploaded amount, even if they don't keep track of ratios.

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Well, but the most important part of that tracker, invite, is almost impossible to get without donation. So, what's the point of cheating?? just to have larger & harder e-penis? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

I'll say again, bandwidth. It's a simple question, deserving of a simple answer. The big problem is that the vast majority of people, who play all too frequently, in this field don't torrent to torrent, they torrent to gain the esteem of peers. What makes these private trackers go around is bandwidth. Bandwidth. BANDWIDTH.

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But I, myself saw 3-4 users cheating the ratio in some torrents, even though they use ovh boxes for some torrents at the same time.
So, I don't think it is only the bandwidth that makes user(s) good or bad.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

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Did you expect a collective of thieves to thrive by upholding outstanding morals and values? You're naive. And no, I'm not just being ironic. There are more things that fit into the equation than what the eye sees. There has to be time put in to the websites. Money for the hosting. Money for the uploading. Money for the quality. So fuck all of that, if people think that you shouldn't be repaid for your work in anyway you deem fit. Either in time, appreciation, or (oh my-) money.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

There are probably members of certain trackers that don't post much or aren't blessed with blazing upload speed but would probably rather lose a pinky than see harm done to the site . That may not be an ultraleet userclass member but that a great member as I see it.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

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You guys made me happy for posts that aren't as shallow as the rest. :)
To be honest, this is what I agree with the most, and what I'd assume is true. Absolute dedication is not necessary, but I'd say admiration/time given/respect for a website is what makes one member valued over another. In this day and age, the protocol has become about requiring more members, as opposed to each member making a true difference. (see Tranny's post, for example). How could they not, every member has umpteen trackers and aims to keep a good ratio on all of them. However, I doubt any tracker staff can deny that it's their dedicated/exclusive collection of members who adore and truly give back to the tracker (in terms of money, time and uploads/seeds/bandwidth) are the ones that truly make a difference. Someone who agrees with the way the website is headed/its foundational motives (Cine's sb-i example) and someone who is willing to love and give everything they can back to the website. A good member isn't empirical, it's just a member who isn't treating the place like he does everywhere, someone who actually gives back care to the website (the ideal members give into the tracker as much as staff do). My definition of a good member isn't that he dedicates 2TB of his monthly unlimited bandwidth to SCC, but that he dedicates 70 or 80gb's of bandwidth over his bandwidth cap in order to see the site thrive.

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While you and I will disagree on the bandwidth issue, as that is disposable, anyone can provide it, I will nod my head to everything else you said. Anyone can provide the bandwidth you need, even you, but it takes a "special" someone to dedicate their time and effort. I'm sure you don't call bandwidth whores that do it for the e-fame, or the big numbers under the nickname or the user classes "good members". That's reserved for the people that do stuff for PTN. Stuff out of the ordinary, that as you said, was a dying/over-swamped breed.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Did you expect a collective of thieves to thrive by upholding outstanding morals and values? You're naive. And no, I'm not just being ironic. There are more things that fit into the equation than what the eye sees. There has to be time put in to the websites. Money for the hosting. Money for the uploading. Money for the quality. So fuck all of that, if people think that you shouldn't be repaid for your work in anyway you deem fit. Either in time, appreciation, or (oh my-) money.

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I base my views of the community on a library model. Yes, it is necessary for libraries/trackers to receive money to keep the lights on, and provide services. What keeps popping up is the "I am selling a product" mentality that will be the death to our ability to continue this vast collection of media long-term.

The more of these mega-profit trackers that get busted, the more it hurts the small, FSC-type tracker that seeks operating expenses. All will be lumped into the same category, and that is not right. There are right and wrong ways for this community to conduct itself. We are crossing a point of no return- and you are not helping, ringhunter.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Sometimes I feel mentally retarded 'cause I don't understand how people view me as a person...

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Wasn't it suggested before that you need to stop caring what a bunch of douchebag strangers online think of you? It's a little saddening to see that you haven't yet put that into practice, OlegL.

Just download whatever you want, seed it back the best you can, and don't worry about anything else. BT is simply a means to obtain files. Not something that you should allow to make you feel "mentally retarded".

BT is the P2P-method of 'the masses'.
'The masses', just as in real life is populated mostly by ignorant retards and plain scum, hence the continuing downfall of the BT-ethics.
Don't expect this to change anytime soon, or even ever ... This protocol is fucked up and clearly a victim of it's own popularity.

The little % of upstanding and caring members are turning silent on trackers, or are gradually shifting to other P2P-methods that involve less bullshit and focus mainly on the files.


@ OlegL ... grow a pair will you ;)
Most of these 'powerfull'/knowledgeable and so-called smart people online are usually the biggest losers in real life, so i wouldn't give their opinions too much consideration.

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Originally Posted by Disme

@ OlegL ... grow a pair will you

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Sometimes I feel mentally retarded 'cause I don't understand how people view me as a person...

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Wasn't it suggested before that you need to stop caring what a bunch of douchebag strangers online think of you? It's a little saddening to see that you haven't yet put that into practice, OlegL.

Just download whatever you want, seed it back the best you can, and don't worry about anything else. BT is simply a means to obtain files. Not something that you should allow to make you feel "mentally retarded".

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what he said................

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Most of these 'powerfull'/knowledgeable and so-called smart people online are usually the biggest losers in real life, so i wouldn't give their opinions too much consideration.

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truth be said

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

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Maybe, though that's not what I meant.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

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I could tell you why such a black and white view is wrong, but no one cares anyway. :idunno:

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Well, but the most important part of that tracker, invite, is almost impossible to get without donation. So, what's the point of cheating?? just to have larger & harder e-penis? :unsure:

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There may be some of that thrown in. :yup:

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But I, myself saw 3-4 users cheating the ratio in some torrents, even though they use ovh boxes for some torrents at the same time.

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Just curious, what made you realize/think they were cheating? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by GlazeKing

what did OlegL do?

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What did U do to get banned at BTN?

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

I'll say again, bandwidth. It's a simple question, deserving of a simple answer. The big problem is that the vast majority of people, who play all too frequently, in this field don't torrent to torrent, they torrent to gain the esteem of peers. What makes these private trackers go around is bandwidth. Bandwidth. BANDWIDTH.

How that bandwidth is spent by the people who play is a revolving cycle of backstabbing and asslicking, yes, usually done simultaneously. Granted, there are a good number of people who work their asses off for the enjoyment of others, yeah, but they are the ones who do it for the sharing, not the recognition, and they are vastly outnumbered by the people who accord too much value to the social interactions they have on a daily basis online, and the weight their nickname carries.

The smaller the group, the more weight each individual voice has, and the more empowered those individual voices feel. That feeling of empowerment can be pretty addictive, and I think that gets demonstrated every day in bt.

So, I guess if I am going to give a wordy answer to your query OleGL, it would be that a good user has the sense to not over-invest themselves, while actually using all these flipping trackers. A bad user is anyone else, because they are not using the tool of the torrenting protocol as it is intended, and that makes them a waste of resources(which, despite all outward appearances, are NOT limitless). If people of like interest gather around that interest, the community is inevitable.

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Maybe I'm overly simplifying things here but it seems to be that what your are saying is what makes a "good" member is entirely dependent not on how much they "contribute" ,but on how much they "contribute" benefits others.
Along those lines though I think pure bandwidth is a little short-sighted since who is arguably of greater "benefit " the person with a 100GB seedbox that grabs every torrent only to delete it as soon as it's "benefits" as lost or the person that grabs what is reasonable and seeds it until their hard drive gives out?
Sure trackers "need" speed but a lot more than that they need lasting content and in the dictionary " lasting" oddly enough is synonymous with dedication . I looked up speed and didn't see any similar connection. Lots of cool cars though.

Btw I'm not saying that someone who downloads very little and sits seeding on it ad infinitum is necessarily a "good" member since as I noted earlier it's all ( maybe?) about how what someone does benefits other members( I guess?) .

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

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Actually they are but the notion shouldn't be taken to extremes .
I think the problem with the word privilege is that it drums up images of special entitlement ,which belonging to a bt tracker should never , but obviously often does, constitute.

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and yet, i see plenty of tracker continually looking for new blood, begging for donations and imploring their members to keep the site alive.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

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I could tell you why such a black and white view is wrong, but no one cares anyway. :idunno:

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i was just kidding :console:

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While you and I will disagree on the bandwidth issue, as that is disposable, anyone can provide it, I will nod my head to everything else you said. Anyone can provide the bandwidth you need, even you, but it takes a "special" someone to dedicate their time and effort. I'm sure you don't call bandwidth whores that do it for the e-fame, or the big numbers under the nickname or the user classes "good members". That's reserved for the people that do stuff for PTN. Stuff out of the ordinary, that as you said, was a dying/over-swamped breed.

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I was being a literalistic asshole with my bandwidth comment. I answered the question he asked in the thread title with Occam's razor in mind. The simplest answer to that question is bandwidth, as that IS what makes the difference between a good torrenter and a bad torrenter in an analytical, nonhuman world.

You may not believe this, but I actually greatly dislike the closed tracker mentality at this point. I very much lean in the direction that MBM does as far as the library of the internet comment. I am also NOT solely dedicate to PtN. I seed at a lot of trackers, and I upload files where I'm able. And, no, I do not consider bandwidth whores good for anything other than making seedbox companies richer by the byte. Yes there is a place for seedboxes, but the average user(before anyone goes ZOMG WTF!1!1!1, I grant that there are exceptions) neither needs nor should have a dedicated server just for fucking torrenting. But, they do need to use the sites they are on.

The ideal torrenter seeds to exactly 1:1 in an ideal world. That way, everyone gets a solid ratio, noone needs to cheat, you don't need to buy storage just to seed a file on a site you simply CANNOT get banned from, because everyone minds the global traffic economy. That 1:1 is what the protocol was designed around. The dearth of that understanding is what has been driving this field into the dirt for all the small sites.

And there is a difference between a good member(median) and a great member(exceptional), and there are a multitude of factors that make those differences, but anyone who seeds to a ratio of 20:1 is just being a greedy asshole, barring them being the only seeder for years, which is fast becoming a fabled user.

I don't think there is a single set of criteria that qualifies someone as a good user.

But I would say anyone who adds content to the tracker or keeps content on the tracker is a good user.

Uploaders are important to any site, but just as important are the people seeding torrents uploaded months and years ago, keeping them alive for anyone who might want to grab them later.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Just curious, what made you realize/think they were cheating? :unsure:

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Staffing at 1 torrent site for last 1 year or so.. So, the anti-cheating system shows me, and the detailed peerlist helps me too.. like, you have IP & port. Try to connect with that torrent to that peer. If you do not succeed, then he/she is cheating, as simple as that. :)

no cheting software can beat htis.. ;)