Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be?

Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be? Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up? Why do people sometimes get banned from trackers, if we all want one thing, just to get along? All that we want is to download something, upload something, and interact with people that are on bittorrent trackers. We want to be accepted; we want to be treated well; we want respect from others. We also want to treat others the way they want to be treated themselves. We don't want to be hurt; we don't want to hurt others; all we want is just to have fun. Why can't we just try to understand each other? What is it that divides us?

There is no point in arguing or fighting.

Just bend over and spread those cheeks.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be? Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up? Why do people sometimes get banned from trackers, if we all want one thing, just to get along? All that we want is to download something, upload something, and interact with people that are on bittorrent trackers. We want to be accepted; we want to be treated well; we want respect from others. We also want to treat others the way they want to be treated themselves. We don't want to be hurt; we don't want to hurt others; all we want is just to have fun. Why can't we just try to understand each other? What is it that divides us?

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Same things which divides country states region etc. Probably its becoz we/people want to ensure Superiority of themselves over other. In short due to absence of perfect world

Is this a philosophical question?.

Maybe.

Conflict is inevitable. We all have our own self-interests guiding us. The sheer diversity of intellects, values, resources, and views inevitably add to this. The fact that people want things that are denied to them also makes for a competitive environment.

We all have seen what a mess public trackers become (often due to "anti-piracy" groups and stupid kids). However, private trackers have their own flip-side failings, too (largely due to stupid kids).

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up?

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Only a moron spouts an oxymoron.


...No offence

Dude, you need to get outside and stop worrying so heavily about this stuff.

Did I say philosophical?.I meant stupid.

There's a pretty good chance Oleg is just trolling, but one of the things that has kept me on FST and in some other BT forums is the ability to observe/participate in/stir up what has to be one of the most open communications platforms anywhere. There are forums all over the internet, but BT has a draw, and member base that is multi-generational, multi-cultural, and multi-interest. This group would not gather for any other reasons than as a platform to gain access to digital media. It turns out that there are many other things for us to spam about discuss while we are here.

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Originally Posted by Cut-Copy-Paste

Same things which divides country states region etc. Probably its becoz we/people want to ensure Superiority of themselves over other. In short due to absence of perfect world

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:whistling

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

There's a pretty good chance Oleg is just trolling, but one of the things that has kept me on FST and in some other BT forums is the ability to observe/participate in/stir up what has to be one of the most open communications platforms anywhere. There are forums all over the internet, but BT has a draw, and member base that is multi-generational, multi-cultural, and multi-interest. This group would not gather for any other reasons than as a platform to gain access to digital media. It turns out that there are many other things for us to spam about discuss while we are here.

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Stop saying that I am trolling. Seriously. I am tired of it. Think about a person's personality, not about if he's trolling or not.

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Originally Posted by slocker

Is this a philosophical question?.

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Nope, it's a rhetorical one.

OlegL, either you are trolling here by creating these stupid topics or you are psychiatric.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Stop saying that I am trolling. 2 options are there, you choose one.. Seriously. I am tired of it. Think about a person's personality, not about if he's trolling or not.

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Interesting comment!!

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Originally Posted by OlegL

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

There's a pretty good chance Oleg is just trolling, but one of the things that has kept me on FST and in some other BT forums is the ability to observe/participate in/stir up what has to be one of the most open communications platforms anywhere. There are forums all over the internet, but BT has a draw, and member base that is multi-generational, multi-cultural, and multi-interest. This group would not gather for any other reasons than as a platform to gain access to digital media. It turns out that there are many other things for us to spam about discuss while we are here.

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Stop saying that I am trolling. Seriously. I am tired of it. Think about a person's personality, not about if he's trolling or not.

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Did you read anything past the first comma, TrollEgg?

Exactly how complicated should they be?:unsure:

Also this

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

We all have our own self-interests guiding us.

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Besides that far from being some sort of an idealized Utopia bt can to some degree better be described as a world without (m)any strictly enforced moral restrictions .
In an environment like that some people will be "good" , some will be "bad" and some will see it as an opportunity to try and impose they will upon others.

Btw this isn't conjuncture on my part I've seen the exact same thing it happen in Waterworld .:mellow:
Although in fairness Dennis Hopper was a lot more mature than most bt despots.

Also life is simple if you just look at it from the point that everyone is going do what is best for themselves first and adjust your thinking around that fact.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up? Why do people sometimes get banned from trackers, if we all want one thing, just to get along? All that we want is to download something, upload something, and interact with people that are on bittorrent trackers. We want to be accepted; we want to be treated well; we want respect from others. We also want to treat others the way they want to be treated themselves....

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Because this is the internet, people are assholes and trolling is fun

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be?

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because torrent is free and illegal

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Also life is simple if you just look at it from the point that everyone is going do what is best for themselves first and adjust your thinking around that fact.

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unless you believe in communism, anyway.then you're beyond help.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

There's a pretty good chance Oleg is just trolling, but one of the things that has kept me on FST and in some other BT forums is the ability to observe/participate in/stir up what has to be one of the most open communications platforms anywhere. There are forums all over the internet, but BT has a draw, and member base that is multi-generational, multi-cultural, and multi-interest. This group would not gather for any other reasons than as a platform to gain access to digital media. It turns out that there are many other things for us to spam about discuss while we are here.

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Stop saying that I am trolling. Seriously. I am tired of it. Think about a person's personality, not about if he's trolling or not.

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What is a person's personality is that of a troll?

People keep saying that Oleg is retarded, but I still think he's pulling one big troll on us all. One day he is going to stop and be like, haha gotcha.

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Originally Posted by chrisbeebops

People keep saying that Oleg is retarded, but I still think he's pulling one big troll on us all. One day he is going to stop and be like, haha gotcha.

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Entirely possible since there is at least one person that I know of that has previously created multiple fake persistent personnas to troll this board.

Who is the last person who seemed unreasonably clueless here ( the name escapes me ,he seemed unable to speak English well but most everyone liked him ) ? He was one of those dupes.

Anyway that person stopped as some as he was found out only I assume to go onto his next identity as I've been told that he's been going the same thing forever here and elsewhere and is obviously certifiably insane .

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Originally Posted by slocker

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Also life is simple if you just look at it from the point that everyone is going do what is best for themselves first and adjust your thinking around that fact.

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unless you believe in communism, anyway.then you're beyond help.

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I believe in communism and I wonder wats link of Political/social believe with it.

On side mark this thread might be troll but the ques is most sensible 1 in recent time

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Originally Posted by Cut-Copy-Paste

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Originally Posted by slocker

unless you believe in communism, anyway.then you're beyond help.

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I believe in communism and I wonder wats link of Political/social believe with it.

On side mark this thread might be troll but the ques is most sensible 1 in recent time

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that was barely comprehensible.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by chrisbeebops

People keep saying that Oleg is retarded, but I still think he's pulling one big troll on us all. One day he is going to stop and be like, haha gotcha.

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Entirely possible since there is at least one person that I know of that has previously created multiple fake persistent personnas to troll this board.

Who is the last person who seemed unreasonably clueless here ( the name escapes me ,he seemed unable to speak English well but most everyone liked him ) ? He was one of those dupes.

Anyway that person stopped as some as he was found out only I assume to go onto his next identity as I've been told that he's been going the same thing forever here and elsewhere and is obviously certifiably insane .

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Swepsycho

Torrent world is something like human socity
and your quistion is like that : why there is so many countries?so many language?since we have 1 aim :sex ;D
somebody thinks that topsite leads pirating like freemasonary leads world lol

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up?

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In a perfect world, that's how things would be. If that tells you something.

Of course, in a perfect world, trackers wouldn't be full of bad eggs constantly trying to sneak back in, and the RIAA/MPAA wouldn't be actively pursuing filesharers.

Ahh well, it's nice to dream :P

Or maybe people would pay for the things they're pirating. It all depends on who you ask. :idunno:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Of course, in a perfect world, trackers wouldn't be full of bad eggs constantly trying to sneak back in, and the RIAA/MPAA wouldn't be actively pursuing filesharers.

Ahh well, it's nice to dream :P

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Yes it is, but here in reality things cost money and can't just be given away for free;).

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Or maybe people would pay for the things they're pirating. It all depends on who you ask. :idunno:

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Well in a truly ideal world the media conglomerates would have realized by now that they need to somehow adapt their business models to compete with piracy instead of suing the shit out of children. Music is a bit ahead of the curve in that respect, for example the iTunes store is now the #1 retailer of music on the planet by quite a large margin. If they made a few changes, like offering lossless copies (maybe for a bit of a surcharge), options other than their proprietary formats, and full track previews, they'd be even farther ahead. Services like Spotify and Pandora are also a huge advancement, where you can pay a monthly fee and stream all the music you want.

Movies are slowly getting off the ground with services like Netflix, but it's still slow going. Steam is doing well in the gaming industry but they have very little competition, and hence, very little pressure to innovate.

Either way, I think it was implied by the subject matter and forum that BT should be involved in the hypothetical somehow :P

My point is simple: it doesn't require much IQ to simply download and upload stuff. Since this is true, why don't trackers have permanent open sign-ups? I think I am making a completely valid point here. If it doesn't require much IQ to download and upload stuff, why do people sometimes get banned from trackers? It doesn't make sense. As I keep saying, we all want one thing: to be treated well, to treat everyone else the way we want to be treated ourselves...
The real world requires a lot more IQ. In the real world, you have to work, and it requires a lot more IQ (especially, if you are a lawyer or a doctor). In the real world, you have to go to school, and, of course, passing exams in school requires a lot more IQ than simply downloading and uploading...
So, why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be?

There'd be no point in having signups at all. Private trackers wouldn't exist, everything would be like The Pirate Bay, full of people that hit and run, throttle their upload speeds to zero, there'd be fake files everywhere, zero retention, and kicking off any of these fucktards would have no effect because they could just rejoin.

Things in BT really aren't that complicated if you're not an idiot and don't care about getting involved in the drama and hype. Sign up for a tracker. Follow their rules. Seed and keep a ratio. That's it. If you don't want to follow their rules, there are hundreds of other trackers you can join, or if you don't want to deal with any of that, go back to TPB, where there are no rules.

I'd suggest you try Usenet, since you really don't seem to have a grasp on this. No need to worry about being banned, being intelligent, seeding, etc, just grab your shit and go.

Also, I don't think you understand the term "IQ". You can't use it interchangeably with the word "intelligent".

However, since I don't truly believe anyone could be this clueless, the above was more written for other thread readers. Perhaps a more fitting response would be lol n00b u g0t b&, QQ moar.

full-track "previews"??.Nice try dude.

If you'd ever used the iTunes store (or any other digital store for that matter) you'd understand. Sure some people would just listen to the previews over and over again, but generally they're shitty bitrate and it's annoying to have to sit there in the store and search through albums each time you want to listen to a track. You could also limit people to "X" previews per day, or 2-3 previews per track. It's really not that difficult.

The point is that some people including myself view music piracy as a "try before you buy" type deal, since there's really no other way to do it.

The ideal solution, imo, would be a site like What.CD, community driven via uploads, with a substantial monthly fee and unlimited downloads. Then distribute that revenue to the rights holders. I'd easily pay a few hundred dollars per year for a site with their breadth of selection and content in both formats and # of albums, with an active community portion as well. But it'll never happen.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Of course, in a perfect world, trackers wouldn't be full of bad eggs constantly trying to sneak back in, and the RIAA/MPAA wouldn't be actively pursuing filesharers.

Ahh well, it's nice to dream :P

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In a perfect world I would be starring in some of the stuff I'm stealing and/ or I would be sitting in my Ferrari with a mute Adriana Lima .:unsure:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I'd suggest you try Usenet, since you really don't seem to have a grasp on this. No need to worry about being banned, being intelligent, seeding, etc, just grab your shit and go.

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Clearly we hang out on vastly different trackers if being intelligent is now seen as a requirement. :mellow:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Swepsycho

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:lol:

I used to love reading his/her posts... cracked me up a lot of the time... who was he/she though? I never did find out...

what is so complicated about bittorrent ?

I forget. I have a terrible memory for things that I have no interest in.
Maybe Cabalo will post since he knows apparently everything except how to ingratiate himself to the former demonstration of CN.

Of good look J-dye's returned.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

If you'd ever used the iTunes store (or any other digital store for that matter) you'd understand. Sure some people would just listen to the previews over and over again, but generally they're shitty bitrate and it's annoying to have to sit there in the store and search through albums each time you want to listen to a track

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Yet you're praising Spotify and Pandora?.It's a trade-off at best, really.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

My point is simple: it doesn't require much IQ to simply download and upload stuff. :noes:

Since this is true, why don't trackers have permanent open sign-ups? I think I am making a completely valid point here. :noes:

As I keep saying, we all want one thing: to be treated well, to treat everyone else the way we want to be treated ourselves...:noes:

The real world requires a lot more IQ. (debatable, but :noes: imo)

In the real world, you have to work,:noes:

In the real world, you have to go to school,:noes:

So, why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be?

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You are trying to impose your view of what the world should be on all of humanity, and that is bunk. BitTorrent is NOT complicated, and your premise that it is, is based on your own complication of a simple process. That is the truth.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I'd suggest you try Usenet

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It requires a higher IQ.

Wait, to stay in line with Oleg's post I should say "more IQ".