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This just confirms what we already knew. Macfags = Hipsters.
Pretty ironic considering most of the Apple hardware is the same design baring the revisions. Generically white :whistlingQuote:
Mac people are 13% more likely than PC people to say they want to be "perceived as unique and different to make my own mark."
PC owners: fat slobs living in a basement
Mac owners: Skinny aristocratic slobs living in a office
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That image above seems a load of crap, sorry but really people, seriously?
PC people love The Office and South park but Mac people love the Office? Mac people generally read Macworld, wtf? 80% of Mac people are more likely to be vegetarians? It's all such old fashion stereotypes and needs to be taken as a joke if not worse.
Rant over lol
Essentially this.Quote:
Originally Posted by haganebr
The thing that bugs me most about the generic mac user is that there are so many of them on my university campus, and they all fit the damn stereotype. They all bring their laptops to class, because they have to show off the $2500 of overpriced crap they bought. Girls even tend to accessorize theirs to match with their bags/coats/whatever. Even more lulzworthy are the people that bring iPads with bluetooth keyboards and act like they're a real computer. They'll go on and on about how macs "just work" and "don't get viruses", but the minute something goes wrong, they have no clue what to do since they have no troubleshooting skill and no actual computer knowledge. Within my friend group, I'm the guy people generally turn to when their laptops have problems, and when it's a macfag, I merely sigh, tell them I don't know how to do *whatever* on a mac, and that they should've gotten a real OS.
Then they bitch about not being able to run our industry standard engineering software on a Mac. But of course, due to their incompetence, they've never bothered learning about Parallels/Bootcamp/whatever else.
Then they design powerpoint presentations that lose all of their images mid-lecture or mid-presentation because they're saved in some weird Quicktime compatibility mode that doesn't display properly on Windows.
Honestly, whenever someone tries to go all pro-Mac on me, I remind them that they've paid twice the price for proprietary hardware and an operating system that's just a ripoff of *BSD with a price tag, and it generally ends it there.
Linux users I tend to respect, since they actually have to know what they're doing. And sure, the occasional mac user does too. But the overwhelming number of them, at university anyway, are complete morons when it comes to computers.
mac 82% more likely to be douches
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Originally Posted by ca_aokEssentially this.Quote:
Originally Posted by haganebr
The thing that bugs me most about the generic mac user is that there are so many of them on my university campus, and they all fit the damn stereotype. They all bring their laptops to class, because they have to show off the $2500 of overpriced crap they bought. Girls even tend to accessorize theirs to match with their bags/coats/whatever. Even more lulzworthy are the people that bring iPads with bluetooth keyboards and act like they're a real computer. They'll go on and on about how macs "just work" and "don't get viruses", but the minute something goes wrong, they have no clue what to do since they have no troubleshooting skill and no actual computer knowledge. Within my friend group, I'm the guy people generally turn to when their laptops have problems, and when it's a macfag, I merely sigh, tell them I don't know how to do *whatever* on a mac, and that they should've gotten a real OS.
Then they bitch about not being able to run our industry standard engineering software on a Mac. But of course, due to their incompetence, they've never bothered learning about Parallels/Bootcamp/whatever else.
Then they design powerpoint presentations that lose all of their images mid-lecture or mid-presentation because they're saved in some weird Quicktime compatibility mode that doesn't display properly on Windows.
Honestly, whenever someone tries to go all pro-Mac on me, I remind them that they've paid twice the price for proprietary hardware and an operating system that's just a ripoff of *BSD with a price tag, and it generally ends it there.
Linux users I tend to respect, since they actually have to know what they're doing. And sure, the occasional mac user does too. But the overwhelming number of them, at university anyway, are complete morons when it comes to computers.
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the majority of mac users i know like mac because its so "simple" and "just works". i dont have the heart to tell them they are really just built for people either too lazy or stupid to figure out a simplest task on their own. and that "just works" thing is bs as everyone knows. the second something goes wrong, even something simple, you got to take it back to the mac store, which around here is over 180 miles away. because their os is so "streamlined" and designed for the average user to not have to mess with anything (because they shouldnt have to, it should "just work") that when something goes wrong there is too little to go on on how to fix it. that is because mac wants the user to have as little control as possible over the os, which makes fixing anything a bitch. now ive worked on pcs and macs both extensively, although i wouldnt call myself a mac tech. working at the local university and talking to the "mac tech" there for about 5 minutes i could tell he was an idiot who knew only slightly more than an average mac user.
well thats my vent. enough with the mac bashing. ive said it before and ill say it again: macs biggest strength is also its biggest weakness. because everything is proprietary they can stay ahead of the game easier than pc, ill admit. if mac wants to phase out floppy discs and not support them, they can. they are one company with all proprietary hardware and software and they can make that decision to phase out older tech at their choosing to hasten their technological advance. because not all pc hardware and software is proprietary and controlled by a number of companies, the pc market takes years more, limping along on legacy hardware that is much more difficult to phase out than it is for mac. mac is able to push things like that on their own where as if the pc market wants to make a change like that there has to be deals made and a general consensus and all that boring enterprise politics stuff. however because of the reasons above, among many others related to macs proprietary tech that i wont get into, this same strength provides many disadvantages.
Agreed with ca_aok.
Most people I know who own a Mac are morons and basically not tech savvy at all. They bought it because it had a logo with an Apple behind, some even admitted to that.
And they swear by it, it owns Windows. Just fucking ridiculous this fanboyism around Apple.
Exactly. I don't even hate MacOSX. It has its merits, just as Windows does. And I'll be the first one to admit that Windows has hundreds of problems with it (as does OSX, and linux). I even own an iPhone.
It's not the system I hate, it's the people that use it, their stupidity, and their sheeplike need to buy anything with an apple logo and the letter "i" stuck in front of it, regardless of how shitty it performs compared to the competition. With the iPhone for example, I didn't want a Blackberry due to lack of apps and customizability, plus lower end hardware. And I actually wanted an Android, but my shitty Canadian carrier only had phones from the era of the HTC Magic available. So iPhone 4 it was. Most people who have them, however, bought them because it was trendy.
What exactly are these faults of Linux?Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
The only faults people seem to find is when they attempt to plug their Windows hardware into their Linux box and the drivers don't seem to work or complete and utter useless users who complain that it's not a clone of Windows.
Apart from the above I can't think of anything wrong with it - it works and there's actual thought put into each revision of most distro's unlike Microsoft and their aesthetic revisions in attempt to intrigue the dumb (noob) users.
Just to shake things up:
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The main problem with Linux is that it's not user friendly. Yes, you can slap Ubuntu on a machine and a computer noob might be able to figure out how to do some basic stuff, but there's a fair bit of command line based fun that's daunting to most users. Then there's a general lack of driver and software support and a community fragmented into countless distros.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
There are plenty of good things about it too, of course... it's open source, packaging is a nice way to compartmentalize everything on a system, it's stable, it's generally not resource intensive. I use linux on my remote webserver, like the rest of the world, but I'm certainly not ready to use it as a desktop OS.
Oh, and OpenOffice blows fucking chunks compared to MS Office. Every part of it just seems like a pale imitation.
OpenOffice is so crap they are now replacing it with LibreOffice in the upcoming Ubuntu releases.
This statement shows a lack of knowledge of the situation. LibreOffice IS OpenOffice at this point. One isn't better than the other. Oracle pissed off the independent OO developers so they started LO using OO as its base. Oracle has recently cast off OO so it will probably just die now with LO progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
I appreciate, and agree with, your stance, ca. I find Mac users irritating because they come across as overly confident, yet lack knowledge at the same time.
I also don't like being seen as pro-M$ just because I don't like Macs. M$ is the one I use, but I am keeping an eye on Linux- I believe it will eventually take over as an OS as it has done in every other device- it keeps evolving while Mac and M$ keep pursuing their own interests AND bloating.
Linux never claimed to be aimed to be user friendly. From what I gather he only created it so he could work on his Uni work at home but couldn't because of hardware/software limitations. That's when Linux for PC began.Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aokThe main problem with Linux is that it's not user friendly. Yes, you can slap Ubuntu on a machine and a computer noob might be able to figure out how to do some basic stuff, but there's a fair bit of command line based fun that's daunting to most users. Then there's a general lack of driver and software support and a community fragmented into countless distros.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
There are plenty of good things about it too, of course... it's open source, packaging is a nice way to compartmentalize everything on a system, it's stable, it's generally not resource intensive. I use linux on my remote webserver, like the rest of the world, but I'm certainly not ready to use it as a desktop OS.
Oh, and OpenOffice blows fucking chunks compared to MS Office. Every part of it just seems like a pale imitation.
There's emulators and environments for windows applications; look for WINE and Cedega.
Yes, driver support can be a bitch but most worthwhile manufacturers also supply Linux drivers and the rare occasion for Macs
CLI can be simpler than a GUI if you know the commands. You only have to attempt to setup a network in Windows 7 or append permissions in Windows Server 2008 to know that it is simpler in Linux. Don't get me started on NTFS/Windows permissions.
There's a shitload of documentation out there that will help you with most issues, if a google search doesn't result in anything then jump on the distros forum and they'll be happy to help you out.
Open Office got me into trouble because I emailed my lecturer a odt instead of a doc. Stupid bitch didn't know how to open it.
I won't lie I also run a Windows box for gaming, Linux isn't quiet there yet for Gaming.
Once Windows users accept that Linux is a completely different OS and stop making it work "just like" windows then user will have a fun experience.
OpenOffice wasn't THAT bad, I had been an OO user for 3 years in the past. Some of the only complaints that I had were that you couldn't do some simple interactive things, like double click a worksheet tab to name it inExcelCalc. I abandoned OO when I couldn't open docx files that came out with Office07. StarOffice, now that was a piece of crap.
A new Ubuntu is coming out (came out?) with Unity as the GUI instead of Gnome. It looks quite alright. I always kind of equate the Gnome look with MacOS's look, I'll probably think the same of Unity once I get the chance to experience it. I don't like either, but at least you have the ability to change things in Linux, the Mac terminal turned out to be fucking useless when I was trying to get MediaTomb loaded onto it for a friend. I think Win7 has all of them beat on GUI though.
Yeah I agree mjmcky, Open Office was a bitch with docx extensions. Even when it did open them the fonts, tables and headings would of all changed.
As I keep repeating in all these types of threads, Microsoft tend to just slap a new GUI instead of changing/improving features. In Windows 7 it's literately the same OS just a different (longer) route to change settings. I don't think any sane user will use any of the default bundled shit Microsoft put on there, like their hopeless Firewall. The only thing I can see even remotely improved in Windows 7 is that you can uninstall more than one application at a time.
I know this thread should be more about Mac vs Windows but dear god there is a better alternative out there, people are just too ignorant to even look at it. I understand about market dominance but it's been nearly (if not over) a decade that Linux has been of existence and it hasn't pushed farther than an excellent NOS.
What the fuck is going on?
I'm aware of all of this, and I'm not really saying this for myself. I'm saying it for the general public, and telling you why linux in its current state will never see widespread adoption. Anyone posting on a tech related forum is obviously going to have a much better grasp of this sort of stuff, but you're forgetting that to the general public, commands like "cd" and "rm" at the command line would be daunting, let alone setting up anything to run in a WINE emulation state. And sure, there's documentation, but I know my parents don't want to be diving into it every few seconds trying to figure stuff out. The vast majority of the world wants user friendly, that's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
As for improvements of Win 7 over Vista, faster search indexing, file libraries, better memory allocation, better native VPN support, improved multicore usage patched into the kernel, an improved and less annoying version of UAC, better program management from the taskbar, DX11, and just a bunch of misc crap. It certainly runs better than Vista did on my laptop. Sure, it's not the glaring update that Vista was to XP, but I'd argue after Vista's flop that was probably the right move for the company.
"cd" and "rm", it's the terminal version of "cd" and "del" ;)
which means everyone should know what cd means
The point I would make is that Windows is ubiquitous for the desktop/laptop market, Android for the smartphone, Linux for servers. MacOS and iOS are just there so we know where the ground is...
About Win7, I've actually found it quicker and easier to get to settings over WinXP. Most of them I reach from start menu bar, e.g., Device Manager. WinXP requires me to go to Comp Properties --> Hardware tab --> Device Manager button. In Win7 I just type "dev man" and it's primary on the list. The Start Menu bar has made a lot of things easier and quicker to get to granted you remember its name. Now the levels of settings that you're referring to do add steps, but I have the freedom to ignore all that, which has always been the case for Windows and any OS for that matter. It's funny how the quicker ways are less common, and reserved for the more advanced users, even with things as simple as cut/copy/paste.
The data just confirms a lot of the stereotypes