Why you all should all use SCENE ONLY trackers

... to avoid this:

http://i.imgur.com/LuBNB.png

Encode after encode, sometimes even of the encode.

So true.
Now everybody can follow some simple encode guides and believe they found some magic trick on their sleeve, which allows them to do something special with a movie.

It's getting ridiculous.

oh. i got it.
/me went away to delete ptp, hdbits and other now absolutely useless tracker accounts

What surprises me is that each of those have at least 20 seeders and hundreds of snatches, that's just encouraging the behavior. And aren't all of those cams?

Anyways, I don't see it as a problem, since that little phenomena mostly occurs with crap films.

Too much choice is really a small price to pay for the freedom of anyone to share anything.

Yet there isn't any HD upload by Scene. :dry:

It doesn't mean anything. Don't use IPT if those bother you and join the sites where you can find the true quality simple as that. :yup:

Yeah well, not all non-scene tracker offer this kind of diversity, you're too categoric in your judgements

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Silly me ,I thought the answer was going to be because you're twelve years old and think diversity of taste means liking both Coke and Coke Zero.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Silly me ,I thought the answer was going to be because you're twelve years old and think diversity of taste means liking both Coke and Coke Zero.

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I once heard someone speak at me that they take in a balanced viewpoint since they watch both Fox News and the news on FOX.

Even though maximum of the movie releases in IPT or FLRo are just repeat releases or Re-encodes,
this does ensure that i don't have to stay bound to scene releases which sometimes aren't quite a finished job due to time constraints (pre)
the real finished jobs come up when p2p Groups like NPW Cinephilia release their souped up BRrips

Since the Scene Only trackers like SCC do't allow P2P groups
i guess i will have to stay at IPT till they do

what tracker is that ? :P

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Originally Posted by stabber

what tracker is that ? :p

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ipt.

I prefer having 50 encodes where one fits my tastes rather than some rushed scene 700MB XviD rip, which all 50 usually beat. Apart from that, maybe use real movie trackers rather than general trackers for proper rips. You run into a quite different problem on the movie trackers though, where you might find 1 movie at 1 site, another movie at another site, maybe even pick and choose what internal group you like best.

I don't use torrentLeech much, not even a member of IPT, but I do understand the people that choose to stick to one tracker rather than 20.

"Do the right thing" was at least a good movie.

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Originally Posted by phpgyro

loads of groups doing releases of the same movie..which is nice

one screenshot from all those would be better ...


And what was that site called?

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Originally Posted by phpgyro

loads of groups doing releases of the same movie..which is nice

one screenshot from all those would be better ...


and what was that site called?

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Reading back like three posts probably would cause your brain to overload or something wouldn't it?
Also please don't tell me that you're too busy to be bothered since you obviously have time to waste surfing the internet.

Anyway while I'm sometimes frustrated by endless encodes of movies especially shitty ones ,they do allow some benefit in helping maintain a ratio as if you "miss" the initial release you can probably find a later one ( that's basically the same thing) to get an earlier jump on.

IMO, it's good to have options, u can choose the one that u like. Having to select from 30 torrents is a bit annoying but c'mon we are getting it for free....right ? ;)

EDIT : Or u can just search for the movie after the DVD or BluRay comes out. Is something/someone forcing u to search for a good release in all of that junk ? ;)

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Originally Posted by Silence

IMO, it's good to have options, u can choose the one that u like. Having to select from 30 torrents is a bit annoying but c'mon we are getting it for free....right ? ;)

EDIT : Or u can just search for the movie after the DVD or BluRay comes out. Is something/someone forcing u to search for a good release in all of that junk ? ;)

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To be honest I haven't downloaded anything except for a few TV shows in the past 6 months. Main reason I'm on torrents is because I like to see whats out there. There hasn't been a decent film worth watching in the past year or so that I haven't seen in the cinema. This is just proof of my annoyance when it comes to p2p encodes 'spamming' /browse :dry:.

Next on my watch list is probably going to be Hugo http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hugo/

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Main reason I'm on torrents is because I like to see whats out there. There hasn't been a decent film worth watching in the past year or so that I haven't seen in the cinema. This is just proof of my annoyance when it comes to p2p encodes 'spamming' /browse :dry:.

Next on my watch list is probably going to be Hugo http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hugo/

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You must have really great cinemas where you live, because over 90 percent of what I download doesn't show up in cinemas where I am, which is why I'm on torrents. And who actually put you in charge of deciding what's worth watching to the point that you're annoyed at what's being shared?

That's pretty common with CAM/TS/R5 releases. To be honest I think it's a good thing, it increases the chance of finding one that doesn't suck total ass on the off chance that I want a CAM rip.

I thought the same about a month ago with the movie Limitless. There was 3-4 versions uploaded per day. If you look, IPT has 97 results for this 1 movie. One being unrelated and one being a movie pack.

But overall, I prefer IPT and their vast collection to strictly scene.

hmm not a member of IPT but can you not go into your profile, and tick just the categories you want to show, if you just want TV, just show TV and you will never see another movie release again.

or is that too simple?

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Originally Posted by Silence

IMO, it's good to have options, u can choose the one that u like. Having to select from 30 torrents is a bit annoying but c'mon we are getting it for free....right ? ;)

EDIT : Or u can just search for the movie after the DVD or BluRay comes out. Is something/someone forcing u to search for a good release in all of that junk ? ;)

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To be honest I haven't downloaded anything except for a few TV shows in the past 6 months. Main reason I'm on torrents is because I like to see whats out there. There hasn't been a decent film worth watching in the past year or so that I haven't seen in the cinema. This is just proof of my annoyance when it comes to p2p encodes 'spamming' /browse :dry:.

Next on my watch list is probably going to be Hugo http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hugo/

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hmm not a member of IPT but can you not go into your profile, and tick just the categories you want to show, if you just want TV, just show TV and you will never see another movie release again.

or is that too simple?

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

To be honest I haven't downloaded anything except for a few TV shows in the past 6 months. Main reason I'm on torrents is because I like to see whats out there. There hasn't been a decent film worth watching in the past year or so that I haven't seen in the cinema. This is just proof of my annoyance when it comes to p2p encodes 'spamming' /browse :dry:.

Next on my watch list is probably going to be Hugo http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hugo/

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IPT does have that option.

be serious... if u have enough experince with trackers and torrenting in general, you should know there are some at least comparable (if not superior) p2p groups to scene.... ipt's fault is that they not filter or limit the number of releases for one movie...... look at sites like allhdvnbits, uniongang, leechturk, ptp, ptn, goem (not to mention private hd trackers...)

There should be some moderation , a new encode should be uploaded only if it is better or fixing something , for example to fix a cropped movie or blur something .

There is no need for so many encodes of avi format , hd is the new era

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Originally Posted by Stabber

There should be some moderation , a new encode should be uploaded only if it is better or fixing something , for example to fix a cropped movie or blur something .

There is no need for so many encodes of avi format , hd is the new era

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HD may be the new era
but some of us still have ISPs with Stone age mentality
besides NPW 1080p and 720p Rips are not too shabby for me

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Originally Posted by Stabber

There is no need for so many encodes of avi format , hd is the new era

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Yes but unfortunately oblivious is never out of style.

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besides NPW 1080p and 720p Rips are not too shabby for me

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That is the second time you have mentioned that group, so I have to say something. Of course I realize that it is all a matter of opinion but let me point out some obvious flaws. Their encodes come from a rip/encode source (BRrip) and not the true source (BDrip) which means their offers are a rip of a rip. They use an outdated codec (XviD) with inferior quality to the superior x264 codec.

Here is their newest example.

Source: Catch 44 2011 720p BluRay x264-BestHD

So they didn't even bother to use a 1080p rip to make their encode AND it is a scene release. That is a double whammy alone in my book.

My point is that using this group repeatedly as a shining example of p2p groups vs. scene is a terrible one. I am not bashing or trying to belittle you, but just trying to share a little knowledge.

I only watch upscaled MPEG2 encodes of ipod x264 releases that were encoded from 720p x264 scene rips.

So many P2P groups giving it a bad name. Trackers could enforve a check for allowing only specific groups. Overall the user himself has to know which groups are good and which are not.

I usually go with ViSion only.

Basically there are guarantees that there will be P2P groups that do a much better job than scene, and groups that will do a much worse job. Scene is your average mediocrity, them's just the nature of things.

Remember the times when everyone got the axxo release ? :P

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Remember the times when everyone got the axxo release ? :P

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Am proud to say I never once downloaded an aXXo release... doesn't take much skill to wait for a DVD to be released, rip it and then deteriorate sound/bit rate to allow the film to fit to 700 (ish) MB. I'll never understand why folks thought he was 'amazing' :lol:

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Originally Posted by mitraark

So many P2P groups giving it a bad name. Trackers could enforve a check for allowing only specific groups. Overall the user himself has to know which groups are good and which are not.

I usually go with ViSion only.

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In all seriousness I really don't give a fuck.

If some poor soul wants to invest part of their limited existence trying to make sure that (mostly) unappreciative teenagers on the internet get a stolen movie in the highest possible quality then instead of applauding I suppose that I should really pity them. Likewise those seemingly obsessed with obtaining that pinnacle of quality.

Anyway if you think your enjoyment of a movie is determined by how well the filtering has been tweaked then clearly you really need to start watching more interesting movies.

This discussion does not even need to be about p2p vs. scene or the quality of the films. Tracker staff or the uploaders should take the initiative of preserving the quality of releases, minimizing needless dupes, etc. There is no need for 35 pre-retail copies of a movie to be tracked.

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Anyway if you think your enjoyment of a movie is determined by how well the filtering has been tweaked then clearly you really need to start watching more interesting movies.

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Well, I kinda disagree a little if you say that enjoyment of a film isn't partially based on the quality of the rip... I mean if you wanted to take it to an exaggerated level, surely most people would prefer to watch a DVDRip, or a 720p/1080p to a CAM. the reason I'm exaggerating it is because I've seen different groups use the same sources for their rips but totally fuck up their releases due to mishaps in their filtering...

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Basically there are guarantees that there will be P2P groups that do a much better job than scene, and groups that will do a much worse job. Scene is your average mediocrity, them's just the nature of things.

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Yes, absolutely, and a good thing too. If only a small group of people were allowed to upload only a few copies of anything then it would be much easier for the copyright trolls to focus their attentions. It is in all of our interests to encourage as many people as possible to upload, even to upload multiple identical and near-identical (and far-from-identical) copies of things. Not only does that frustrate the copyright trolls but it ensures continuity of supply of rippers/encoders/uploaders. The good ones always burn out eventually.

Sure, it means that downloaders have to engage their brains a bit when choosing what to download, but that's really not hard to do. Basic common sense will save you from the horror of a MPEG2 cam made by a ripper nobody has ever heard of uploaded by a first time uploader. And if you do end up with a slightly pixelated copy of Birdemic: Shock and Terror it's really not a big deal. It didn't cost you anything, it's a crap movie anyway, and you can always download another if you really care.

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Basically there are guarantees that there will be P2P groups that do a much better job than scene, and groups that will do a much worse job. Scene is your average mediocrity, them's just the nature of things.

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Yes, absolutely, and a good thing too. If only a small group of people were allowed to upload only a few copies of anything then it would be much easier for the copyright trolls to focus their attentions. It is in all of our interests to encourage as many people as possible to upload, even to upload multiple identical and near-identical (and far-from-identical) copies of things. Not only does that frustrate the copyright trolls but it ensures continuity of supply of rippers/encoders/uploaders. The good ones always burn out eventually.

Sure, it means that downloaders have to engage their brains a bit when choosing what to download, but that's really not hard to do. Basic common sense will save you from the horror of a MPEG2 cam made by a ripper nobody has ever heard of uploaded by a first time uploader. And if you do end up with a slightly pixelated copy of Birdemic: Shock and Terror it's really not a big deal. It didn't cost you anything, it's a crap movie anyway, and you can always download another if you really care.

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Are you fucking serious?

What I love is when p2p groups actually use the shitty MPEG2 cap and say in the nfo "shit quality, but it's a first cam". This is probably one reason why I actually buy movies/go to cinema. Too many dickheads releasing shit when it's cheaper (entertainment wise) to buy and watch the "UNTOUCHED" release in the comfort of my home/cinema. And if you pull the socially awkward excuse of not liking crowds in a cinema, you had your chance but blew it! http://www.geek.com/articles/news/as...cked-20100914/

Why should the likes of (A)FACT go out of their way to help consumers now?

I don't have a problem with crowds in the cinema. I do have a problem with not a single cinema here having any decent seats for tall people. I used to love going to the cinema until I grew too tall to even enjoy going to the cinema.

But what on Earth does this have to do with you preaching that scene content is heaven sent, while P2P content is the root of all evil. The scene won't even adapt to X264 over XviD. How's that for quality?

Has nothing to do with preaching, all i say is that scene trackers wont have encode after encode. Btw, Night0wl, how tall are you? I'm 6ft and sit around the middle centre with no issues or complaints. Wouldn't you be better suited to the back? You're height would act as an advantage to overlook the 5ft heads?

Scene has introduced x264 with HD, People who still use XviD are prepared to skimp on quality. Besides there are a few INT SD x264 groups, they just don't don't get spread as easily. This scene mainly goes under CN X264 or RU x264. Groups like TLF, XTM, USL, BMDru, CNXP, NewMov etc. Some of these groups even have a public board where they offer DDL links or FTP.