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I was wondering what vegetarians fed their pets.
Particularly if the particular pet would normally be a carnivore, or indeed live on insects etc.
If you are from the great state of Vegetaria, or are related to or know someone who is perhaps you could enlighten me.
Maybe Snny could be of help here JP. :D
or lamsey :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@15 November 2003 - 19:40
Maybe Snny could be of help here JP. :D
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
ive never heard it before
Not a thing Linda, If I have asked before was it possibly during an apple period. The old mind does not recall as well nowadays, particularly in relation to Friday and Saturday nights.Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda@15 November 2003 - 20:41
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
I just wonder, because vegetarians can be quite sanctimonious. In my experience those who are vegetarian for health reasons don't really preach. However Vegetarians of "conscience" can be a wee bit too moral high ground for me.
I genuinely apologise if I am repeating this and it offends you.
Not a thing Linda, If I have asked before was it possibly during an apple period. The old mind does not recall as well nowadays, particularly in relation to Friday and Saturday nights.Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+15 November 2003 - 20:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 15 November 2003 - 20:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda@15 November 2003 - 20:41
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
I just wonder, because vegetarians can be quite sanctimonious. In my experience those who are vegetarian for health reasons don't really preach. However Vegetarians of "conscience" can be a wee bit too moral high ground for me.
I genuinely apologise if I am repeating this and it offends you. [/b][/quote]
Whats with this vegetarian obsession of yours?
Why do you wanna know?
Why keep bugging us? Because thats what it is.
I'm 100% sure you asked it before, although i cant find the thread.
So, yes it offends me, not that you care or should care, i'm reading this thread out of my own free will, and reply out of my own free will while i probably should have skipped it. But i didnt, so its my own fault.
Gr. Linda
[Vegetarian of "conscience"]
Edit: A link to the thread where you did ask it, to make sure people dont think i'm a liar ---> here
Lady, my sister's dog (who we take care of) eats dog meat, because my parents choose to buy her dog meat. If I had my way, she'd be eating 100% vegetarian food, but unfortunately it's not up to me :(
seriously?! :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@15 November 2003 - 20:12
Lady, my sister's dog (who we take care of) eats dog meat, because my parents choose to buy her dog meat. If I had my way, she'd be eating 100% vegetarian food, but unfortunately it's not up to me :(
insanityQuote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@15 November 2003 - 20:12
If I had my way, she'd be eating 100% vegetarian food, but unfortunately it's not up to me :(
Dog cannibal? :lol: Is this a brand of dog food? :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@15 November 2003 - 21:12
Lady, my sister's dog (who we take care of) eats dog meat, because my parents choose to buy her dog meat. If I had my way, she'd be eating 100% vegetarian food, but unfortunately it's not up to me :(
http://www.vegetariandogs.com/
apparently it is possible to feed a dog something that isn't in its natural diet
:blink: What's next? Cats and dogs living together?Quote:
Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@15 November 2003 - 21:50
http://www.vegetariandogs.com/
apparently it is possible to feed a dog something that isn't in its natural diet
Interesting link written by a vegetarian. He isn't one-sided in any way, but makes it pretty clear that it's not a great idea to feed your pet a strict vegetarian diet.
Dr. Russel Swift, DVM, Classical Homeopath.
There is much more to the article if you follow the link, but no point pasting a huge chunk of text here.Quote:
So why do a growing number of people recommend vegetarian diets for dogs and cats? There are several reasons:
1) Ignorance of their true nature and needs
2) Having an agenda to convert all people and animals to vegetarianism for animals rights reasons
3) Capitalizing monetarily on people following #2.
4) Knowing an animal that has done well on a vegetarian diet
Personally, i think it's wrong to feed a cat or dog anything other than the equivalent of what would be their natural diet in the wild, which would almost certainly include meat. Biologically, they just aren't made for it.
Whether humans are 'designed' to be vegetarian is debatable, but our bodies definitely support the option, as the many perfectly healthy vegetarians living today and in the past have proven.
We may have the conscience to make the decision not to consume meat, but a dog or cat live more on instinct, and i'm sure they don't have a problem with living on a balanced diet. It's not our place to decide for them, and if you feel strongly on the matter you should offer two bowls of food to your pets, one containing meat, the other strictly vegetarian, and allow them to decide. I'm almost certain they would eat the bowl containing meat first (and would probably finish off the other bowl too). No morals these damn animals! lol
and look how happy it makes them....Quote:
Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@15 November 2003 - 21:50
http://www.vegetariandogs.com/
apparently it is possible to feed a dog something that isn't in its natural diet
http://www.vegetariandogs.com/img.why-betty.jpg
http://www.vegetariandogs.com/img.intro-elvis.jpg
(pictures taken from that site).
My personal opinion, one day on a mixed meat & veg diet and these dogs would be more like Rex here...
http://www.lourussophotography.com/i...appy_dog_5.jpg
Not a thing Linda, If I have asked before was it possibly during an apple period. The old mind does not recall as well nowadays, particularly in relation to Friday and Saturday nights.Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+15 November 2003 - 20:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 15 November 2003 - 20:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda@15 November 2003 - 20:41
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
I just wonder, because vegetarians can be quite sanctimonious. In my experience those who are vegetarian for health reasons don't really preach. However Vegetarians of "conscience" can be a wee bit too moral high ground for me.
I genuinely apologise if I am repeating this and it offends you.[/b][/quote]
Exactly! They come off as "a bit superior and enlightened", when in fact, I would claim the opposite to be the case.
Humans are highly inefficient in converting plant matter into usable energy. We simply do not have the enzymes to breakdown the major structural components of the plant cell walls. We are well suited to the breakdown of animal products and that is why such a diet is called "low residue" vs the large bulky stools of vegetarians. Vegetarians basically just poop it all out.
Only in a world filled with supermarkets and huge surpluses of food is the vegetarian lifestyle feasible. In the those countries where food is in short supply, for whatever reason (usually political), any animals they can acquire are worth more than money. Many even attempt to supplement their diets with rats and other local vermin, highlighting the need for animal proteins.
As to the philsophy that people refuse to eat certain meats because the animal was raised in a cruel manner to preserve "tenderness" and such, I laud you for this. One of the problems of a capitalist system is that ranchers are all competing to get the most payback for their limited resources, so they confine their animals and pump them full of steroids and antibiotics. This is where society must step in and set the bar for what type of treatment is allowable and create agencies to enforce these guidelines.
Finally, for those who feel that "all life" has an equal right to exist, I agree to a point. Hunting for trophies is disrespectful to nature. We should not kill simply for pleasure (although hunting seasons are useful to thin out excess herbivores and most hunters do butcher their kills for consumption).
But, should I let ants over-run my house, wasps swarm in my attic and harbor mites in my hair? If I am sick, should I kill those innocent microrganisms with antibiotics?
Where do we draw the line? I think it becomes difficult for people when they look at a little bunny. They place a human awareness in it, which simply does not exist. As a former rabbit and cow owner, I can attest to the fact that these animals act more out of primitive reflexes than cerebral ponderings.
For instance, if you were a rabbit and you were chased by a fox, if you escaped you would start thinking about how to avoid the fox. You would live in terror. Actual rabbits just put their heads down and start chewing grass as if nothing has ever happened once the fox goes away.
I watched one of my rabbits die right in front of the other. I got so angry because the observing rabbit took no notice. I put a corn chip on the body of the dead bunny and watched its companion of 5 years grab the chip and eat it off the corpse. (It was a sad day for me, I only did the chip thing just test how "aware" the surviving rabbit was.) He was not assessing the situation, the actions of the dying rabbit were not something that triggered his innate reflexes. This supported my earlier observations growing up, that cows are nothing more than food processors for grass.
I would submit that, at times, herbivores appear to exhibit individualistic human-like behavior, but most of this is as cerebral as your knee kicking when I hit your tendon with a reflex hammer. A simple neural reflex arc, nothing more.
This is why I consider the concept that "all life" as being equal to be incorrect. Although, I do think that nature and all living entities should be treated respectfully.
What Mother Nature teaches us is that there is a unique role for all living entities and we, by acting in accordance with our abilites, maintain her checks and balances. We were born to be omnivores, according to our biochemistry, not herbivores, and that is how we should live, if we want to listen to Mother Nature.
Exactly! They come off as "a bit superior and enlightened", when in fact, I would claim the opposite to be the case.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+15 November 2003 - 22:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 15 November 2003 - 22:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@15 November 2003 - 20:47
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@15 November 2003 - 20:41
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
Not a thing Linda, If I have asked before was it possibly during an apple period. The old mind does not recall as well nowadays, particularly in relation to Friday and Saturday nights.
I just wonder, because vegetarians can be quite sanctimonious. In my experience those who are vegetarian for health reasons don't really preach. However Vegetarians of "conscience" can be a wee bit too moral high ground for me.
I genuinely apologise if I am repeating this and it offends you.
Humans are highly inefficient in converting plant matter into usable energy. We simply do not have the enzymes to breakdown the major structural components of the plant cell walls. We are well suited to the breakdown of animal products and that is why such a diet is called "low residue" vs the large bulky stools of vegetarians. Vegetarians basically just poop it all out.
Only in a world filled with supermarkets and huge surpluses of food is the vegetarian lifestyle feasible. In the those countries where food is in short supply, for whatever reason (usually political), any animals they can acquire are worth more than money. Many even attempt to supplement their diets with rats and other local vermin, highlighting the need for animal proteins.
As to the philsophy that people refuse to eat certain meats because the animal was raised in a cruel manner to preserve "tenderness" and such, I laud you for this. One of the problems of a capitalist system is that ranchers are all competing to get the most payback for their limited resources, so they confine their animals and pump them full of steroids and antibiotics. This is where society must step in and set the bar for what type of treatment is allowable and create agencies to enforce these guidelines.
Finally, for those who feel that "all life" has an equal right to exist, I agree to a point. Hunting for trophies is disrespectful to nature. We should not kill simply for pleasure (although hunting seasons are useful to thin out excess herbivores and most hunters do butcher their kills for consumption).
But, should I let ants over-run my house, wasps swarm in my attic and harbor mites in my hair? If I am sick, should I kill those innocent microrganisms with antibiotics?
Where do we draw the line? I think it becomes difficult for people when they look at a little bunny. They place a human awareness in it, which simply does not exist. As a former rabbit and cow owner, I can attest to the fact that these animals act more out of primitive reflexes than cerebral ponderings.
For instance, if you were a rabbit and you were chased by a fox, if you escaped you would start thinking about how to avoid the fox. You would live in terror. Actual rabbits just put their heads down and start chewing grass as if nothing has ever happened once the fox goes away.
I watched one of my rabbits die right in front of the other. I got so angry because the observing rabbit took no notice. I put a corn chip on the body of the dead bunny and watched its companion of 5 years grab the chip and eat it off the corpse. (It was a sad day for me, I only did the chip thing just test how "aware" the surviving rabbit was.) He was not assessing the situation, the actions of the dying rabbit were not something that triggered his innate reflexes. This supported my earlier observations growing up, that cows are nothing more than food processors for grass.
I would submit that, at times, herbivores appear to exhibit individualistic human-like behavior, but most of this is as cerebral as your knee kicking when I hit your tendon with a reflex hammer. A simple neural reflex arc, nothing more.
This is why I consider the concept that "all life" as being equal to be incorrect. Although, I do think that nature and all living entities should be treated respectfully.
What Mother Nature teaches us is that there is a unique role for all living entities and we, by acting in accordance with our abilites, maintain her checks and balances. We were born to be omnivores, according to our biochemistry, not herbivores, and that is how we should live, if we want to listen to Mother Nature. [/b][/quote]
What a fine post, a bloody fine post. One of your best
Great points, well presented.
I doff my cap to you sir. Only figuratively I'm afraid but that will have to do.
Would you go as far as to say that any vegetarian who does not provide their pet dog with a proper, balanced, natural diet was being cruel. In the same way as the very animal breeders and techniques that they object to.
Exactly! They come off as "a bit superior and enlightened", when in fact, I would claim the opposite to be the case.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+15 November 2003 - 22:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 15 November 2003 - 22:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@15 November 2003 - 20:47
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@15 November 2003 - 20:41
You have asked this before <_<
Its not because you really wanna know, its just for "stoking"
Leave us vegetarians alone, get of our backs, what did we do to you?
Not a thing Linda, If I have asked before was it possibly during an apple period. The old mind does not recall as well nowadays, particularly in relation to Friday and Saturday nights.
I just wonder, because vegetarians can be quite sanctimonious. In my experience those who are vegetarian for health reasons don't really preach. However Vegetarians of "conscience" can be a wee bit too moral high ground for me.
I genuinely apologise if I am repeating this and it offends you.
Humans are highly inefficient in converting plant matter into usable energy. We simply do not have the enzymes to breakdown the major structural components of the plant cell walls. We are well suited to the breakdown of animal products and that is why such a diet is called "low residue" vs the large bulky stools of vegetarians. Vegetarians basically just poop it all out.
Only in a world filled with supermarkets and huge surpluses of food is the vegetarian lifestyle feasible. In the those countries where food is in short supply, for whatever reason (usually political), any animals they can acquire are worth more than money. Many even attempt to supplement their diets with rats and other local vermin, highlighting the need for animal proteins.
As to the philsophy that people refuse to eat certain meats because the animal was raised in a cruel manner to preserve "tenderness" and such, I laud you for this. One of the problems of a capitalist system is that ranchers are all competing to get the most payback for their limited resources, so they confine their animals and pump them full of steroids and antibiotics. This is where society must step in and set the bar for what type of treatment is allowable and create agencies to enforce these guidelines.
Finally, for those who feel that "all life" has an equal right to exist, I agree to a point. Hunting for trophies is disrespectful to nature. We should not kill simply for pleasure (although hunting seasons are useful to thin out excess herbivores and most hunters do butcher their kills for consumption).
But, should I let ants over-run my house, wasps swarm in my attic and harbor mites in my hair? If I am sick, should I kill those innocent microrganisms with antibiotics?
Where do we draw the line? I think it becomes difficult for people when they look at a little bunny. They place a human awareness in it, which simply does not exist. As a former rabbit and cow owner, I can attest to the fact that these animals act more out of primitive reflexes than cerebral ponderings.
For instance, if you were a rabbit and you were chased by a fox, if you escaped you would start thinking about how to avoid the fox. You would live in terror. Actual rabbits just put their heads down and start chewing grass as if nothing has ever happened once the fox goes away.
I watched one of my rabbits die right in front of the other. I got so angry because the observing rabbit took no notice. I put a corn chip on the body of the dead bunny and watched its companion of 5 years grab the chip and eat it off the corpse. (It was a sad day for me, I only did the chip thing just test how "aware" the surviving rabbit was.) He was not assessing the situation, the actions of the dying rabbit were not something that triggered his innate reflexes. This supported my earlier observations growing up, that cows are nothing more than food processors for grass.
I would submit that, at times, herbivores appear to exhibit individualistic human-like behavior, but most of this is as cerebral as your knee kicking when I hit your tendon with a reflex hammer. A simple neural reflex arc, nothing more.
This is why I consider the concept that "all life" as being equal to be incorrect. Although, I do think that nature and all living entities should be treated respectfully.
What Mother Nature teaches us is that there is a unique role for all living entities and we, by acting in accordance with our abilites, maintain her checks and balances. We were born to be omnivores, according to our biochemistry, not herbivores, and that is how we should live, if we want to listen to Mother Nature. [/b][/quote]
Lets just say thats your opinion, based on the things you know, you read, you heard and you believe, okay?
Sorry for coming off as superior and enlightened... :blink:
I think this is exactly what JP was aiming at, another useless, veggie discussion, the 10th or something.
We all stand for what we believe in, no-one can change that.
My best friend is a potato! Vegetables have feelings too!
I love animals too in every sense gnorf! I have decided to become an eat buggerallarian! :blink:
Linda
What I was aiming at was a serious discussion, on a serious topic. I start that type of thread fairly often (I think).
If other people wish to discuss toilets, genitalia, whatever I really don't mind as long as they are having fun. It's just not always my cup of tea.
I think the juxtapositions are interesting.
Either be cruel - as an objection to cruelty.
Or allow your dog to eat meat (because it's natural) but not your brother.
I cannot see a third way, but find either of those untenable.
heres my way. eat what you want but dont come crying to me when a cow eats you
TheQuote:
Originally posted by TheDave@15 November 2003 - 23:16
heres my way. eat what you want but dont come crying to me when a cow eats you
Are you a vegetable of some sort.
no. im in a species that has evolved to eat meat over millions of years.
People can show as many results, reports, doctors and scienentists and what not on proving that being vergatarian is un-natural and unhealthy, there are as many or more reports, results and what not that proves that being vegetarian is not unhealty - unnatural etc..... and guess what, i dont care, me personly i'm not doing this because of those reasons. Though I'm healthy as hell, never called in sick, not one single day in my life!
I think people treat animals cruel, than eat them, and thats just plain wrong.
1 little thing i can do about that is stop eating meat and battery eggs etc, so i will.
I would give my life if all animal cruelty would stop forever, i know its easy saying because its not going to happen, but i would.
Its everybody's own choice, but dont say its unhealthy, because thats not true, and vegetarians are the living examples of that.
I just hope that if people chose to eat meat, they will eat "animal friendly meat" Wouldnt you feel better if you knew that the pig you are eating had a nice life?
Those biological / animal friendly farmers need money too, so why not support them?
I also donate money too an organisation that promotes alternative animal testing for medicin etc, its all ican do, but i'm doing it, at least i try making a difference.
Now you can all shoot me with your big ass English vocabulairs, and come with more scientific prove and what not, i dont care, i can go to sleep with the thought that i was not 100% responsible for ending the life another cruel treated animal.
Linda
It is your decision what you do with your life and how you chose to lead it. More power to you for taking such a strong position and defending it so well.
What about feeding pets tho' do you have a policy on that. Liam has told us that his (sister's) dog is fed meat, tho' he personally would not do so if he had the choice.
what would happen if there were no preditors in the entire world?
I feed my dog regular dogfood and my rats regular ratfood, because there is to little proove againts or pro feeding them in vegetarian way. I'm responsable for ther health so i better be safe then sorry.
Lately there is more knowledge on that subject, but my dog is almost 13 and i dont want to change his diet for obvious reasons.
As far as the rats, they are very unsable as far as their health goes, so i dont wanna take any risks.
As soon as i'm convinced that feeding pets in a veggie way is okay, i will feed my[new] pets that way for sure.
well...I used to be a vegetarian, but stopped two years ago because (let's be honest here), BALANCED vegetarian food is a bit expensive :(
Anyway, now I only eat eggs that come from a farmer who lives next to my sister, he has like 20 chickens, they are fed well and have a lot of room.
I hardly eat meat, but when I do it's from this old farmer who is a butcher too..
My point is; I like to eat some meat sometimes and I have nothing against if I know the animals were treated well during their lifes.
Bacon Sandwiches!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Skweeky@15 November 2003 - 22:51
well...I used to be a vegetarian, but stopped two years ago because (let's be honest here), BALANCED vegetarian food is a bit expensive :(
Anyway, now I only eat eggs that come from a farmer who lives next to my sister, he has like 20 chickens, they are fed well and have a lot of room.
I hardly eat meat, but when I do it's from this old farmer who is a butcher too..
My point is; I like to eat some meat sometimes and I have nothing against if I know the animals were treated well during their lifes.
Linda,Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda@15 November 2003 - 23:32
Now you can all shoot me with your big ass English vocabulairs, and come with more scientific prove and what not, i dont care, i can go to sleep with the thought that i was not 100% responsible for ending the life another cruel treated animal.
Don't you see that my post supported what you do 100%. I hope you are reading posts with a your mind open to enlightenment, rather than skimming posts thinking about how to defend your point.
I am here to state my position and support it with evidence, but I am also here to see if someone might be able to show me that I am misguided.
From Hobbes 1st post:
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As to the philsophy that people refuse to eat certain meats because the animal was raised in a cruel manner to preserve "tenderness" and such, I laud you for this. One of the problems of a capitalist system is that ranchers are all competing to get the most payback for their limited resources, so they confine their animals and pump them full of steroids and antibiotics. This is where society must step in and set the bar for what type of treatment is allowable and create agencies to enforce these guidelines.
What you are doing IS un-natural, but since you have the luxury of an abundant food source, your health will not suffer and your conscience will be appeased.
I try to...Quote:
hope you are reading posts with a your mind open to enlightenment,
Evidence is subjective, 1 scientist proves something, another will say different....
What is un-natural in 2003? Wearing clothes is as un-natural as refusing to eat meat....
:(
Wearing clothes is not a biological function.Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda@16 November 2003 - 00:54
I try to...Quote:
hope you are reading posts with a your mind open to enlightenment,
Evidence is subjective, 1 scientist proves something, another will say different....
What is un-natural in 2003? Wearing clothes is as un-natural as refusing to eat meat....
:(
It is a response to a harsh environment. Some people wear little or no clothes.
A lot of vegetarians i know, myself included, choose to be so because of the appalling state of the meat industry. Modern intensive livestock farming is great at getting cheap meat on your plate, but there's nothing at all natural about it.
Many years ago now, i watched a documentary on abbatoirs where an investigative journalist filmed undercover. Amongst other things, the site and sound of a live pig hanging from a hook through its jaw in a blood soaked room surrounded by other pigs, was enough to make me think long and hard about what goes on behind the scenes of the meat industry.
These arguments always come down to the same ignorance. Yeah, but, meat tastes good..... and, we are meant to eat meat..... Bacon Sandwiches......
If anyone chooses to live by a strict diet out of compassion for animals, why the hell should they have to defend themself?
If your purpose wasn't to bait, JPaul, what was it? Of course most vegetarians feed their dogs meat, what else are they going to feed them? Just because someone chooses to live a certain way, that doesn't mean they are going to impose that on others, least of all their pets. You knew this so you though you'd try to provoke a reaction. Why do you think you feel the need to do this?
You cannot digest cellulose, that is not subjective.Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda@16 November 2003 - 00:54
I try to...Quote:
hope you are reading posts with a your mind open to enlightenment,
Evidence is subjective, 1 scientist proves something, another will say different....
What is un-natural in 2003? Wearing clothes is as un-natural as refusing to eat meat....
:(
If you were to take a closed experimental ecosystem in which the calories available were exactly sufficient for survival and add a group of vegetarians, you would come back later to find everyone dead.
Why would those vegetarians eat all those plants which could have been better utilized by the herbivores. They wasted so many calories, which could have been saved, that everyone starved. Not natural.
Wouldn't it be nice if you actually read the thread? Or do you feel that you are so special that you are sure that whatever has been discussed before could not be as important as what you are saying.Quote:
Originally posted by LTJBukem@16 November 2003 - 01:39
A lot of vegetarians i know, myself included, choose to be so because of the appalling state of the meat industry. Modern intensive livestock farming is great at getting cheap meat on your plate, but there's nothing at all natural about it.
Many years ago now, i watched a documentary on abbatoirs where an investigative journalist filmed undercover. Amongst other things, the site and sound of a live pig hanging from a hook through its jaw in a blood soaked room surrounded by other pigs, was enough to make me think long and hard about what goes on behind the scenes of the meat industry.
These arguments always come down to the same ignorance. Yeah, but, meat tastes good..... and, we are meant to eat meat..... Bacon Sandwiches......
If anyone chooses to live by a strict diet out of compassion for animals, why the hell should they have to defend themself?
If your purpose wasn't to bait, JPaul, what was it? Of course most vegetarians feed their dogs meat, what else are they going to feed them? Just because someone chooses to live a certain way, that doesn't mean they are going to impose that on others, least of all their pets. You knew this so you though you'd try to provoke a reaction. Why do you think you feel the need to do this?
Do your homework, that has been discussed and JPaul has agreed with your viewpoint.
edit: Yes, a bit harsh, but I guess my pet peeve is people who do not invest the time to research a thread tend to cause the flow to eddy, rather than to progress.
Wouldn't it be nice if you actually read the thread? Or do you feel that you are so special that you are sure that whatever has been discussed before could not be as important as what you are saying.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+16 November 2003 - 01:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 16 November 2003 - 01:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LTJBukem@16 November 2003 - 01:39
A lot of vegetarians i know, myself included, choose to be so because of the appalling state of the meat industry. Modern intensive livestock farming is great at getting cheap meat on your plate, but there's nothing at all natural about it.
Many years ago now, i watched a documentary on abbatoirs where an investigative journalist filmed undercover. Amongst other things, the site and sound of a live pig hanging from a hook through its jaw in a blood soaked room surrounded by other pigs, was enough to make me think long and hard about what goes on behind the scenes of the meat industry.
These arguments always come down to the same ignorance. Yeah, but, meat tastes good..... and, we are meant to eat meat..... Bacon Sandwiches......
If anyone chooses to live by a strict diet out of compassion for animals, why the hell should they have to defend themself?
If your purpose wasn't to bait, JPaul, what was it? Of course most vegetarians feed their dogs meat, what else are they going to feed them? Just because someone chooses to live a certain way, that doesn't mean they are going to impose that on others, least of all their pets. You knew this so you though you'd try to provoke a reaction. Why do you think you feel the need to do this?
Do your homework, that has been discussed and JPaul has agreed with your viewpoint.
edit: Yes, a bit harsh, but I guess my pet peeve is people who do not invest the time to research a thread tend to cause the flow to eddy, rather than to progress. [/b][/quote]
Just because something appears harsh does not mean that it is not also true.
I had read the thread, and have now reread it. Having done so i stand by what i said. What was your point JPol?
I was wondering what vegetarians fed their pets.Quote:
Originally posted by LTJBukem@16 November 2003 - 01:52
I had read the thread, and have now reread it. Having done so i stand by what i said. What was your point JPol?
Particularly if the particular pet would normally be a carnivore, or indeed live on insects etc.
But you already knew the answer to that question. Or are you genuinely confused whether veggies feed there pet spiders and lizards vegetables rather than insects? You're an intelligent guy, you were baiting.
:)
im confused too.
lamsey said hed only feed a dog veggie stuff.
but i dont think a dog would just eat vegetables