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LOS ANGELES, Nov. 25 Los Angeles officials have asked that manufacturers, suppliers and contractors stop using the terms "master" and "slave" on computer equipment, saying such terms are unacceptable and offensive.
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LOS ANGELES, Nov. 25 Los Angeles officials have asked that manufacturers, suppliers and contractors stop using the terms "master" and "slave" on computer equipment, saying such terms are unacceptable and offensive.
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Oh my god.
:lol: :lol:
PC gone mad...
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Personal computer politcal correctness gone mad! Should this be PC^2, p2c2 or PCP correctness?Quote:
Originally posted by Rat Faced@29 November 2003 - 04:04
PC gone mad...
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I find Motherboard offensive, should be Personboard.
They wouldn't have this problem if they named their computers.
:ninja:
Ah, yes-
Say what you will about engineers (and I do), but they are not generally "slaves" to inaccurate nomenclature or terminology.
The powers that be should insist that the complaining parties secrete their objections inside their gaping anal cavities. ;)
I am amazed that a civil servant has managed to retain a level of sensitivity sufficient to even recognize the potential inflamatory nature of the labeling.
Most government employees, in the words of Holden Caulfield, are about as "sensitive as a toilet seat".
How did the complaintant manage to remain this virginal?
I'm guessing that this whole thing started over a joint at lunchtime and has bloomed far beyond the expectations of the originators...
:lol:
Just so-
The Genesis of a fresh batch of idiocy.
I'll watch with great interest. ;)
If you tire of this subject, you can join me enjoying my favorite pastime:Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4@29 November 2003 - 05:48
:lol:
Just so-
The Genesis of a fresh batch of idiocy.
I'll watch with great interest. ;)
http://turfgrass.cas.psu.edu/educati...sons/03/kb.gif
Grow grass, grow
Ah-
The sweet smell of freshly painted bluegrass! :rolleyes:
Whats next ,should we stop refering to the orentation of a plug or socket as male or female <_<
Political correctness first, PC correctness second, how much lamer can it get? lol
I find it very difficult to understand how something like this could even reach official's, yet alone for manufacturers etc to be asked to do such a thing.
Are we going to have to stop calling processor's 'CPU's because of how they sound like someone's saying "See pee you"?
This world need's to learn the meaning of the word 'acceptance' and how to deal with other peep's way's and believes, not go around trying to change what everyone else is allowed to think, say or believe :(
Sniper.
I think it is a fair point. There are obvious connotations, which to some may be offensive.
Just because some thing, or some tradition, or some terminology has been used for a long time does not make it right.
There is a rather old tradition in this country, possibly elsewhere, of the "Black and White Minstrels". Where white men put on black make-up, with white lips and eyes and performed shows. It was frankly distasteful and is fortunately now very rare. It is rare because people started to think, wait a minute this is wrong. It's been about for a long time, but it is still wrong.
Think about what the words master and slave are commonly taken to mean. Put an honest mental picture in your head. Then ask yourself, could this offend someone. Not a simple annoyance, but a genuine hurt and offence.
Like I said, I think it is a fair point.
I can't make my mind up on this one. On one hand I think it's a good idea to change these names if it really does offend people on the other hand political correctness gets right up my nose...
And what exactly are they going to change the names to?
We use mother and daughter for boards, why not father and son for drives.
There are many non-offensive alternatives, which can still indicate priority.
So what do we replace floppy and hard with then? And what about AC\DC? Of course we'd have to replace the insert and enter keys. The F keys have to go too, they sound too much like fff-you-know-what!
:)
You would also have to get rid of DVD Billy. I mean it sounds like an updated version of an old disease. CD sounds like seedy. Where is it all going to end. It is impossible to be PC on a PC.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 November 2003 - 12:34
So what do we replace floppy and hard with then? And what about AC\DC? Of course we'd have to replace the insert and enter keys. The F keys have to go too, they sound too much like fff-you-know-what!
:)
Why would you want to replace any of those.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 November 2003 - 13:34
So what do we replace floppy and hard with then? And what about AC\DC? Of course we'd have to replace the insert and enter keys. The F keys have to go too, they sound too much like fff-you-know-what!
:)
It's a well known fact that the drives were named after penises. AC\DC sounds like it swings both ways. Insert and enter is obviously referring to sexual intercourse.
I feel the whole PC was named by a bunch of deviants.
:)
Honestly ?Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 November 2003 - 14:06
It's a well known fact that the drives were named after penises. AC\DC sounds like it swings both ways. Insert and enter is obviously referring to sexual intercourse.
I feel the whole PC was named by a bunch of deviants.
:)
Honestly ? [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+29 November 2003 - 14:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 29 November 2003 - 14:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@29 November 2003 - 14:06
It's a well known fact that the drives were named after penises. AC\DC sounds like it swings both ways. Insert and enter is obviously referring to sexual intercourse.
I feel the whole PC was named by a bunch of deviants.
:)
I think "master and slave" appropriately decribes the relationship between the two components. It is neither personal nor racial. Had it been "Master and nigger", I think the offense would be obvious.
Should we not use the expression "slave to fashion"?
Should we change our titles in K-Lite, I am currently a "K-Lite Master".
However it is possibly worthy of note that this is the particular mental picture you made.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@29 November 2003 - 19:20
I think "master and slave" appropriately decribes the relationship between the two components. It is neither personal nor racial. Had it been "Master and nigger", I think the offense would be obvious.
Reinforcing the point that there are obvious connotations when these words are used in tandem.
However it is possibly worthy of note that this is the particular mental picture you made.Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+29 November 2003 - 19:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 29 November 2003 - 19:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@29 November 2003 - 19:20
I think "master and slave" appropriately decribes the relationship between the two components. It is neither personal nor racial. Had it been "Master and nigger", I think the offense would be obvious.
Reinforcing the point that there are obvious connotations when these words are used in tandem. [/b][/quote]
I guess my core objection stems from my skepticism that the offended person is genuine in his assertion.
We have too many political correctness nannies running around trying to tell people how to act.
I think I would have to meet the "unidentified worker". How does the offense of one individual merit overthrowing standard computer nomenclature?
To quote myself
"Not a simple annoyance, but a genuine hurt and offence."
Does it really matter how many people are offended, should it really be a matter of scale. Surely even one person being hurt is more important than computer nomenclature.
In any case if one person is really offended then there has to be a distinct possibility that others will also be offended.
I've thought about this some more, and this is just a possibly theory asto why thing's like this happen but it seem's to me that this is happening because some peep's aren't willing to let go of the past!?
Master and Slave no longer have the same power to them as they used to, the strength of the word's has become weeker over the year's due to better acceptence of individual's right's, belief's, religion's and race, so to me changing something which has no real connection to the word's origin's other than to indicate who's in control and who isn't is daft.
Perhap's though if they do insist, they could call them Boss and Worker (same difference really)?
Sniper.
I can see your thinking and where you are coming from here.Quote:
Originally posted by SniperInTheShadows@29 November 2003 - 20:09
I've thought about this some more, and this is just a possibly theory asto why thing's like this happen but it seem's to me that this is happening because some peep's aren't willing to let go of the past!?
Master and Slave no longer have the same power to them as they used to, the strength of the word's has become weeker over the year's due to better acceptence of individual's right's, belief's, religion's and race, so to me changing something which has no real connection to the word's origin's other than to indicate who's in control and who isn't is daft.
Perhap's though if they do insist, they could call them Boss and Worker (same difference really)?
Sniper.
However we have a line of reasoning in the UK. It goes along the lines of, it is the person who feels bullied who decides whether or not they feel bullied. It is not the person who is alleged to be the bully who decides on what is acceptable.
Now obviously some people pretend to be hurt, offended or whatever to cause trouble for others. Or indeed to just to seek attention themselves.
This does not mean that we should not take their feelings seriously. We must listen to everyone's argument and take a balanced view.
One person will take exception to anything and everything. I can't cater to one mans' offense, just as the world does not cater to my personal "issues".Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@29 November 2003 - 19:54
To quote myself
"Not a simple annoyance, but a genuine hurt and offence."
Does it really matter how many people are offended, should it really be a matter of scale. Surely even one person being hurt is more important than computer nomenclature.
In any case if one person is really offended then there has to be a distinct possibility that others will also be offended.
I refuse to make the extrapolation that an individual offense is held by many others. If he is so dead offended, then the impetus is on him to gather a petition of signatures to let us know that these words are still caustic and this nomenclature IS an issue. This burden will test the veracity of his offense.
I would certainly be willing to rename them at that time.
I find that offensive hobbes.
:P
Should the burden be placed entirely on the person who feels themself to be the victim.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@29 November 2003 - 21:54
One person will take exception to anything and everything. I can't cater to one mans' offense, just as the world does not cater to my personal "issues".
I refuse to make the extrapolation that an individual offense is held by many others. If he is so dead offended, then the impetus is on him to gather a petition of signatures to let us know that these words are still caustic and this nomenclature IS an issue. This burden will test the veracity of his offense.
I would certainly be willing to rename them at that time.
Your points are fair and well made. However if the person is deeply offended, then surely it is a matter for all of us to provide the resources to establish whether his position is valid or not. If his point is reasonably made and has some prima facie virtue, then I would say that it is the authorities who should establish the true position. If necessary by reference to the courts.
That may not coincide with popular opinion, however right doesn't always do that.
I don't buy the whole idea of undefined victimhood.
J'Pol has said the bully doesn't determine that an act of bullying has taken place.
I was once accosted by a female who demanded her male coterie force me to leave a drinking establishment based on her perception that the difference in our relative sizes oppressed her to the point she was afraid (she was tiny-4 foot-something).
I had not interacted with her or her friends, indeed, I hadn't left my barstool, and was at no point within 15-20 feet of her, yet she insisted, "He's scaring me!!" (I don't think she was drunk, but she may have been high) In any case, one of her entourage felt compelled to approach me with a sneer on his face.
At that point, I did arise from my stool.
He gathered her and the rest of her crew up, and left.
I have nothing but empathy for legitimate victims, and have stepped in on many occasions to stop bullies, BUT:
If someone is set on playing the part, and these serial victims are indulged, we are doomed.
I, for one, will not abide it. ;)
Fine JPol, why don't we let every individual who has any complaint clog our courts with their personal issues.
I feel that any strongly held opinion, which is legimate, will find many sympathetic ears and garning support should not be a problem.
I think the accusor must make a certain effort before imposing his problem upon us. In this case, I can see how people might say, "I can see where he might find offense", but you can see how troublesome it would be if everyone who thought something was "offensive" got to take their personal agendas to court.
j2
Once again good points, well presented with an anecdote for additional flavour (yes it does have a u in it). A good anecdote at that.
I refer you to two earlier posts, where I say that :
"Not a simple annoyance, but a genuine hurt and offence."
I do not think my position is terribly at variance from hobbes and yourself. I merely express the opinion that we should consider these things in a balanced way and not just dismiss them out of hand. Simply because we find something to be preposterous, that does not mean that others do. You only have to look at how hand gestures, for example are viewed differently throughout the world to put this in a proper perspective.
Again I can't disagree with your logic.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@29 November 2003 - 22:37
Fine JPol, why don't we let every individual who has any complaint clog our courts with their personal issues.
I feel that any strongly held opinion, which is legimate, will find many sympathetic ears and garning support should not be a problem.
I think the accusor must make a certain effort before imposing his problem upon us. In this case, I can see how people might say, "I can see where he might find offense", but you can see how troublesome it would be if everyone who thought something was "offensive" got to take their personal agendas to court.
However we must look at this on a case by case basis. His personal resources, educational background etc must be taken into account. Some people are more able to fight their own battles than others.
J'Pol-
At bottom, I agree with you, as ever.
I suffer the remnants of having been around too many people who like to complain.
I would always entertain the genuinely perceived offense with an eye toward arbitration of the grievance, but I feel, still, that the trivial would overwhelm not only the courts, but us, too.
That is to say, if you have a grievance, air it, but don't presume legal recourse-and in our country, these ideas spread like wildfire.
We don't need anymore reasons to seek legal counsel, neither do we require redress for every little offense, genuine or not.
What is it they say, it is better that 10,000 guilty men go free than that 1 innocent man is convicted. Is this not similar, must we not at least consider these things.
Must we not investigate every instance where there is a genuine reason for concern. I know - there's the rub. Who decides when it merits arbitration - the arbitrater, thank you so much Heller you bar steward.
Though I do see how it entirely different when one has such a litigious culture as yours. However are there not penalties for frivolous litigation.
In certain cases, yes, but there is always another step or appeal, too.Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@29 November 2003 - 18:11
Though I do see how it entirely different when one has such a litigious culture as yours. However are there not penalties for frivolous litigation.
Judges used to be adept at tossing trivial proceedings out of court; today such decisiveness is rare, indeed-money, and/or it's lack, also plays a part.
I've known poor people who made their way by suing people.
I've known rich people who have oppressed others by the sheer weight of their (legal) change purse.
Both are animals of inclination. ;)
As are the regulars here.Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4@30 November 2003 - 00:08
Both are animals of inclination. ;)
I think we can let this thread pass into obscurity. It seems it has run it's natural course. We don't want to descend into pleasant, self-satisfied chatting. Or inquiring after the size of each others arses.
Unless someone has a stunning new contribution.
No, don't say that - if you declare a thread dead then it automatically becomes a place where people can chat with their mates about how big their appendages are ;)Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@29 November 2003 - 23:37
I think we can let this thread pass into obscurity. It seems it has run it's natural course. We don't want to descend into pleasant, self-satisfied chatting. Or inquiring after the size of each others arses.
Unless someone has a stunning new contribution.
Did you bring this up for a reason, Liam?Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@29 November 2003 - 21:04
if you declare a thread dead then it automatically becomes a place where people can chat with their mates about how big their appendages are ;)
And watch yourself around the Wee one-just 'cuz she's a big girl now, don't you go chatting about appendages and such.
:)
J'Pol-
Let's you and I forego the spam, just this once, eh? :lol:
I find myself increasingly curious about the original complaintant.
We have three pages here devoted to the abstract methods of managing a complaint, yet we have no source knowlege at all about the particulars of this specific grievance.
Who is this person?
Is the rest of his/her job so absolutely perfect that the nomenclature on some boxes is a noisome irritation?
How does this person manage to deal with day to day life?
I still think that this is a prank run amok.