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Head of Iraqi Council confirms capture
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Its all over UK news, anyone in the UK turn to channel 2, they are blasting it out, been confirmed by Tony Blair as well
This seems like the most sensible thread on this subject. At least from what I have read.
Let the USA / UK and the rest of the Alliance forces show what democracy, justice and due process means.
We are not vigilantes, we are not a lynch mob.
A couple of points I've gleaned from the news reports that are a bit worrying.
1 They want to try him in Iraq, and that's fair enough.
2 There's talk that the US want to give him the death penalty.
While I can certainly understand why the US would want that, isn't it the Iraqi people who should decide his fate?
It is indeed a matter for the Iraqi people. To be honest several other peoples may also have an interest, the Kuwait people for example. The dis-enfranchised Kurds may also be interested in what happens.Quote:
[i]Originally posted by uNz@14 December 2003 - 14:51
A couple of points I've gleaned from the news reports that are a bit worrying.
1 They want to try him in Iraq, and that's fair enough.
2 There's talk that the US want to give him the death penalty.
While I can certainly understand why the US would want that, isn't it the Iraqi people who should decide his fate?
That does not necessarily mean that the trial has to take place in Iraq. Tho' I for one think it should. However would that necessarily be the best thing for public order and fairness to the accused and indeed the people.
Take for example the Lockerbie bombing trial. One could have argued Scotland was the best place for the trial, however the trial was not here.
Given the current situation, it is important that the international community ensure a fair trial. Both for his sake and for the sake of the Iraqi people.
The most important thing is transparency. Let's not talk about sentencing until the person has been tried and if appropriate convicted of a crime / or crimes.
thx didnt no about it till i saw this thread
yea right a fair trial they might make it look fair but it wont be we already know he will get the death penalty
whats this about the americans are gonna make him say he has weapons of mass destruction? i say kill him! and then get bin laden!!!
If you think that is what the people of Iraq want, then that may well happen.Quote:
Originally posted by kalashnikov@14 December 2003 - 15:03
yea right a fair trial they might make it look fair but it wont be we already know he will get the death penalty
I personally do not believe in the death penalty. I know many others do.
I believe it is may be more common in the middle east. However I stand to be corrected on that.
I heard it ;) I think both sides were surprised - Saddam looks really surprisedQuote:
Originally posted by RGX@14 December 2003 - 13:35
Its all over UK news, anyone in the UK turn to channel 2, they are blasting it out, been confirmed by Tony Blair as well
- I did not expect this.
Well, I hope he would be taken far away from his country to Den Haag...
keep him in america where they will treat him worse than uk. bring him to uk and he might get a house and a cup of coffee for a welcoming
Seems that nobody cares about "weapons of mass destruction" if there were any, and that's the only reason US could start a war agains Iraq.
Hmmmm, why were there none found?? :argue:
Now that Saddam's captured and maybe later got his ass kicked personally by Bush, Iraqi people will "start" to recognize american people as friends if of course they don't kill anybody "innocent" else. :rolleyes:
its all a distraction to try to make people forget that bin laden is still out there. :angry: :angry: :angry:
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post here.Quote:
Originally posted by "The Avatar Man"@14 December 2003 - 15:16
its all a distraction to try to make people forget that bin laden is still out there. :angry: :angry: :angry:
THE WHOLE WAR was a crock of shit.
1.If there was an extensive wmd program WE WOULD OF FOUND IT BY NOW!
2.If the US had ANY interest in liberating oppressed people we would have invaded North Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :angry:
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post here. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+14 December 2003 - 13:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 14 December 2003 - 13:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-"The Avatar Man"@14 December 2003 - 15:16
its all a distraction to try to make people forget that bin laden is still out there. :angry: :angry: :angry:
You forget Hypo.
Fantastic news that Hussein is captured - let us hope that the Allies deal with him in an appropriate manner.
and hows that?Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@14 December 2003 - 15:23
let us hope that the Allies deal with him in an appropriate manner.
Thats for the court to decide
wich court?
guantanamo?
just annsumma binlarden to catch now :) :)
@lamsey what the download 4?
hey he would have been caught if we had INVADED afghanistan in 2001 or early 2002 like we should have!
You forget Hypo.Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey+14 December 2003 - 15:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 14 December 2003 - 15:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@14 December 2003 - 13:19
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@14 December 2003 - 15:16
its all a distraction to try to make people forget that bin laden is still out there. :angry: :angry: :angry:
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post here.
Fantastic news that Hussein is captured - let us hope that the Allies deal with him in an appropriate manner. [/b][/quote]
1 - No I didn't.
2 - See my earlier.
Its an example of why "The Avatar Man"s post was not quite the stupidest thing ever seen on the board. A small sample of distilled Hypoluxa.Quote:
Originally posted by wormless@14 December 2003 - 13:31
@lamsey what the download 4?
well if tony blair is correct then my question is answered.he just said it is the iraqui people who will decide his fate
Keep in mind that there really is no firm judicial system in Iraq at the present outside of the American authorities. U could wait until one is established, but that may be years down the road and many of his victims mau not want to wait that long.Quote:
[i]Originally posted by uNz@14 December 2003 - 08:51
A couple of points I've gleaned from the news reports that are a bit worrying.
1 They want to try him in Iraq, and that's fair enough.
2 There's talk that the US want to give him the death penalty.
While I can certainly understand why the US would want that, isn't it the Iraqi people who should decide his fate?
War crimes trials are a tricky topic anyway. Unless they are the result of an internal revolution, crimes against humanity are rarely tried under local jurisdiction b/c of efforts to establish gov'ts — Germany, Japan, Serbia, etc. What will probably happen is that he is tried by an American led tribunal in Iraq. It would be a serious question as to whether a standard US court has standing to try him criminally under US law — there are no actually US crimes that were actually committed outside of the conduct of war.
BTW: Considering the justice system in the Middle East, what leads one to believe that the biggest lynch mob wouldn't be composed of the Iraqi people? Anyone care to name the last dictator in the region that wasn't killed upon losing power, short of fleeing the country, of course?
Its an example of why "The Avatar Man"s post was not quite the stupidest thing ever seen on the board. A small sample of distilled Hypoluxa. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey+14 December 2003 - 14:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 14 December 2003 - 14:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wormless@14 December 2003 - 13:31
@lamsey what the download 4?
ok thanx lamsey i just wondered
The news seems to be confirming that it will be a trial in Iraq.
What court / tribunal it will be is still unclear. As is who will sit on it.
guit_steel - All good points. I have a feeling you may be right about the Tribunal, but I seriously hope that the US don't lead it.
While my view may upset some,(deal) I don't think the US can be impartial in this case.
In fact, the less the US has to do with Saddam from this point on, the better it will be for US-Iraq relations, imho.
I do suspect now that even though Saddam won't be going to The Hague for his trial, it's quite likely that The Hague will go to Saddam...
Prepare yourself for two things.
1. I'm a very sick old man, who is unfit to stand trial and I won't really know what is going on.
2. I am totally insane and always have been. I am not and never was responsible for my actions. How else can anyone explain the things I was responsible for.
Either way, just keep me in reasonably comfortable custody for the rest of my life. I won't be a danger to anyone.
That is a good point, however also see my last.Quote:
[i]Originally posted by uNz@14 December 2003 - 15:58
I do suspect now that even though Saddam won't be going to The Hague for his trial, it's quite likely that The Hague will go to Saddam...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/mai...d0e2ee_l_1.jpg
It'll be interesting to see if this stops all the attacks troops in Iraq. Maybe this will reveal all of the elusive Weapons of Mass destruction (I heard a while back that there were supposed to be dumps of such things in the western parts of Iraq). I guess he'll be tried in an Iraqi court but there may be U.S influence in the overall decision.
They have a full judicial system in Iraq, it's just been abused over the years. This should be a trial that the US does not take part in, if they do it will be a big mistake. The new Iraqi government should be in place in 18 months, Sadam's trial could take longer than that to come up. I agree with JPol, it should be open, and transparent, just as you would expect in any civilised country.
If Saddam was living in a six by eight hole in the ground I suspect he is probably fairly glad he has been caught. I think that might have become rather unpleasant over the coming winter months for an elderly man used to gold taps and feather beds .
It would also suggest that he has little to do with the continued bombings and attacks, as six by eight holes in the ground don't tend to make for great command and control centres. If one were to be totally pessimistic one could take the view that this simply opens up the field for other power groups in Iraq and that the attacks and internecine warfare will carry on. No doubt we will not have long to wait to find out.
As the overwhelming bulk of Saddam's crimes were carried out in Iraq the matter should be resolved in that country, although I daresay the Iranians would love to get their hands on him. He was, after all, responsible for the Iran/ Iraq war in which over a million people died. Almost all his attempts to develop WMD stem from this war and the chemicals he did develop were used in this war (icluding the attack on the Kurds who he felt were helping the iranians make cross border attacks). We in the west actually have little to gripe about as he has not been implicated in any attacks on us. It will be interesting to see if the Iranians and their very legitimate grievances are given any credence in any trial that takes place: although the evidence presented by the defence could prove embarrassing for Western governments and business corporations.
I don't believe any of the other most wanted individuals have been removed from Iraq so the chances are Saddam will be held in Iraq for a future Iraqi judicial system to deal with (with the hope he might peg it before it comes to anything substantive).
The US was responsible for the war on Iran, not Iraq, they were just a tool. The US financed them through Gulf State's banks, and supplied them with weapons through other Middle Eastern countries. This is well documented.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@15 December 2003 - 00:27
.... although I daresay the Iranians would love to get their hands on him. He was, after all, responsible for the Iran/ Iraq war in which over a million people died.
J'Pol - Yes, I saw your last just after I posted. :)
Did you see Saddam's face just after the doctor finished with the tongue depressor?
He knew exactly how much sh*t he's in.
I don't think the "I'm a harmless sick old man" act is gonna fly, somehow.
He's co-operating and answering questions. He knows the jig is up.
SeK612 - I wouldn't be surprised if the attacks intensify over the next few days. Hope I'm wrong though.
Edit: OMG! Pinned! :o
There is an element of truth in that which is why I said the case for the defence may prove embarrassing.
w00t w00t w00t w00t
This is great news to wake up to. Along with more snow. :) hehe..well, more snow means more work (Shoveling)
:lol: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...aptured203.jpghttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image..._nowpic203.jpg
take a good look @ the enemy
not so tough, high and mighty now
:lol: LOL
Here is a chronology, I don't vouch for it's accuracy or bias, but Google has plenty of other pages on the subject.
Arming Iraq and the Path to War