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Toyota Motor Corp displays its futuristic electric vehicle 'PM' (Personal Mobility with Visual Communication System) at the Energy and Environment Exhibition in Tokyo, February 13, 2004. The PM is a single-person vehicle which, utilizing information technology, offers vehicle-to-vehicle communication regarding each other's position on the road and driving data for coordination.
Source: REUTERS/Toshiyuki Aizawa
That things over the top to fancy and sophisticated and only holds one person. I would rather have a fancy golf cart that can hold 3 people.
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They all look like they need a nice dose of "HEMI-POWER". ;)
I think the Toyota looks cool.
However, my kids just cast their eyes heavenwards when I say something is cool so it probably isn't - but i still like it. :)
A Burnt Orange '69 Dodge Dart Convertible with a 426 hemi... :DQuote:
Originally posted by j2k4@18 February 2004 - 10:31
They all look like they need a nice dose of "HEMI-POWER". ;)
A Burnt Orange '69 Dodge Dart Convertible with a 426 hemi... :D [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by protak+19 February 2004 - 03:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (protak @ 19 February 2004 - 03:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@18 February 2004 - 10:31
They all look like they need a nice dose of "HEMI-POWER". ;)
Obviously a highly efficient engine. Everyone should drive a car with an 6.9 litre engine producing 20bhp <_<
:rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: Absolutely :lol: :lol:
:o
Obviously a highly efficient engine. Everyone should drive a car with an 6.9 litre engine producing 20bhp <_<Quote:
Originally posted by 4th gen+19 February 2004 - 00:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 19 February 2004 - 00:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by protak@19 February 2004 - 03:40
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@18 February 2004 - 10:31
They all look like they need a nice dose of "HEMI-POWER". ;)
A Burnt Orange '69 Dodge Dart Convertible with a 426 hemi... :D
:rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
All those who actually remember the street-hemi know that BHP ( brake horsepower) is a sissy term invented by sissies in order that they might refer to sissy, underpowered cars.
Real men know that the terms "brake" and "horsepower"
don't belong together.
Chrysler made a select few lightweight Darts such as Protak mentioned (though not convertibles) and sold them as factory drag cars: 1/4 mile drag-times in the mid-to-high 9 second range, close to 130 mph through the traps.
On the crappy tires of the day.
I know this doesn't excite you, 4th gen; it's an American thing. ;)
:blink: 1bhp = 1hp :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4@19 February 2004 - 04:49
All those who actually remember the street-hemi know that BHP ( brake horsepower) is a sissy term invented by sissies in order that they might refer to sissy, underpowered cars.
Real men know that the terms "brake" and "horsepower"
don't belong together.
Chrysler made a select few lightweight Darts such as Protak mentioned (though not convertibles) and sold them as factory drag cars: 1/4 mile drag-times in the mid-to-high 9 second range, close to 130 mph through the traps.
On the crappy tires of the day.
I know this doesn't excite you, 4th gen; it's an American thing. ;)
A mid 9 second quarter is impressive, I respect that. However, stick it in a series of corners or, better yet, a track, and I'll just laugh at it :lol:
The reason I'm not excited about American cars is that they are a large, inefficient engine with jelly suspension, crap brakes and excess weight. Engineered to go very quickly in a straight line and make a good noise, not to drive.
Horses for courses and all that
Well enough put, however the mindless addition of the word "brake" is, I feel, a misguided attempt to enhance the descriptiveness of a term heretofore easily understood.
All in order to recognize such things are measured with a dynamometer?
Pish and posh, I say.
On the other hand, your points about the traditional purposes of American horsepower are well taken and on-point.
I do however occasionally wax nostalgic for the days of my youth when I was precluded from cornering quickly; my straight-line speed was sufficient in most cases to allow me time for a sandwich before my opponent crossed the line. :D
http://www.classicpreservation.com/Images/hsixpack1.jpg
It aint a HEMI with out a sixpack.
That would be rare, indeed.Quote:
Originally posted by <TROUBLE^MAKER>@19 February 2004 - 15:16
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It aint a HEMI with out a sixpack.
Looks like trips from a 440 wedge to me. ;)
The 426 was a dual-quad (eight barrel) engine; two Carter AFBs.
Rated at 425 hp for the insurance actuarys; actually in the range of 550-575 with a good sharp tune.
YEEHAA!!
:)
4thGen,Quote:
Originally posted by 4th gen@18 February 2004 - 21:54
The reason I'm not excited about American cars is that they are a large, inefficient engine with jelly suspension, crap brakes and excess weight. Engineered to go very quickly in a straight line and make a good noise, not to drive.
Horses for courses and all that
I believe I saw a large and fairly irate contingent of Cobra owners on their way over to see you.
I heard muttering about "sissified stringback gloves" and "effete European crap".
You may want to warm up your Morris Minor right now.
I"m sure they'll be willing to pot you a hundred mile head start...
Clocker
I suggest twenty laps of the M25.
Of course metal fatigue and old age may wear out both cars and contestants. (although the Morris Minor may survive) :lol:
An excellent suggestion, Biggles my man.
I doubt however, that there is enough petrol in Britain to power a Cobra for twenty laps of the M25.
Could you arrange to lay on some extra?
At nearly $7.5 dollars a gallon that may be tricky.
I believe Fugley's good lady wife does a rather potent boiled cabbage. Will a Cobra's engine cope with such an explosive mixture? :ph34r:
Shes Ukrainian you know :ph34r:
Biggles, i had to split that other thread...after your last hijacking
:-"
:ph34r:
I'll get me coat
:-"
<_< A typical un-American response. You say that like ALL foreign cars ARE efficient. Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaze!!! :lol:Quote:
A mid 9 second quarter is impressive, I respect that. However, stick it in a series of corners or, better yet, a track, and I'll just laugh at it :lol:
The reason I'm not excited about American cars is that they are a large, inefficient engine with jelly suspension, crap brakes and excess weight. Engineered to go very quickly in a straight line and make a good noise, not to drive.
Horses for courses and all that
Edited by RF: added an initial quote tag to make the post easier to read
:lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@20 February 2004 - 00:35
<_< A typical un-American response. You say that like ALL foreign cars ARE efficient. Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaze!!! :lol:Quote:
A mid 9 second quarter is impressive, I respect that. However, stick it in a series of corners or, better yet, a track, and I'll just laugh at it :lol:
The reason I'm not excited about American cars is that they are a large, inefficient engine with jelly suspension, crap brakes and excess weight. Engineered to go very quickly in a straight line and make a good noise, not to drive.
Horses for courses and all that
Edited by RF: added an initial quote tag to make the post easier to read
I think we all recall that enormous brown skip that they used to drive in Starsky and Hutch (or was that the cardigan one of them wore).
I guess most of your vehicles are a lot more efficient now. I would imagine a Toyota is a Toyota wherever it is driven. Although I don't think as many US cars run on diesel. The latest German and French diesels are impressive at over 55mpg. But you are right, Porsches eat petrol.
The S&H film should be coming out soon... but you probably don't care as this is not movie world. :ph34r:
:oQuote:
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@20 February 2004 - 20:07
The S&H film should be coming out soon... but you probably don't care as this is not movie world. :ph34r:
Not the same actors surely!
:oQuote:
Originally posted by Biggles+20 February 2004 - 20:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 20 February 2004 - 20:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizard_Mon1@20 February 2004 - 20:07
The S&H film should be coming out soon... but you probably don't care as this is not movie world. :ph34r:
Not the same actors surely! [/b][/quote]
No but the same cardigans :D
No but the same cardigans :D [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+20 February 2004 - 20:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 @ 20 February 2004 - 20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@20 February 2004 - 20:09
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@20 February 2004 - 20:07
The S&H film should be coming out soon... but you probably don't care as this is not movie world. :ph34r:
:o
Not the same actors surely!
The World was not ready for detectives in cardigans the first time - even after 30 years I think few are really mentally prepared.
Be afraid!! :ph34r:
j2k4
I know these where not a factory produced vehicle, and I agree bhp is a term not used by the old time muscle car fanatics, just raw horsepower and of course torque...... :01: ;) I entered this on my trip to Edmonton.... Take a look
It's called brake horsepower because it is actually measured on a brake dynamometer. :PQuote:
Originally posted by j2k4@19 February 2004 - 05:54
Well enough put, however the mindless addition of the word "brake" is, I feel, a misguided attempt to enhance the descriptiveness of a term heretofore easily understood.
All in order to recognize such things are measured with a dynamometer?
And when you stick a TVR Speed 12 on a dyno, you get break horsepower :lol:
In that particular post, I was actually talking about performance (and not the straight line variety). You must concede the point that the average American 'musclecar' can't get anywhere near the average European sports car around corners and tracks.Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@19 February 2004 - 23:35
<_< A typical un-American response. You say that like ALL foreign cars ARE efficient. Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaze!!! :lol:Quote:
A mid 9 second quarter is impressive, I respect that. However, stick it in a series of corners or, better yet, a track, and I'll just laugh at it :lol:
The reason I'm not excited about American cars is that they are a large, inefficient engine with jelly suspension, crap brakes and excess weight. Engineered to go very quickly in a straight line and make a good noise, not to drive.
Horses for courses and all that
Edited by RF: added an initial quote tag to make the post easier to read
With regards to fuel economy, of course there are many European cars with fuel economy (the TVR Speed 12 being a good example), but I'd be willing to bet that the 'average' European car is more fuel efficient than the 'average' American car
It's called brake horsepower because it is actually measured on a brake dynamometer. :P[/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by lynx+23 February 2004 - 00:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 23 February 2004 - 00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@19 February 2004 - 05:54
Well enough put, however the mindless addition of the word "brake" is, I feel, a misguided attempt to enhance the descriptiveness of a term heretofore easily understood.
All in order to recognize such things are measured with a dynamometer?
I KNOW that; must you be so stuffy? :P
Protak-
When will you know?
My fingers are crossed for you! ;)
Fastest electric car in the world.
Does 0 to 60mph in 3.6 seconds :)
http://www.forbes.com/resourceful/business...dl_1021vow.html
http://images.forbes.com/images/2003...ow_420x280.jpg
I KNOW that; must you be so stuffy? :P [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4+23 February 2004 - 03:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 23 February 2004 - 03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@23 February 2004 - 00:19
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@19 February 2004 - 05:54
Well enough put, however the mindless addition of the word "brake" is, I feel, a misguided attempt to enhance the descriptiveness of a term heretofore easily understood.
All in order to recognize such things are measured with a dynamometer?
It's called brake horsepower because it is actually measured on a brake dynamometer. :P
I think I knew that you knew that, but i wasn't sure if you thought you knew that other people didn't know that, know what I mean? :blink:
I know you believe you understand what you think I said but... I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Electric cars are the future!
As re: the last two posts:
Indeed! :)
Happy to see the two of you so willing to lend to the normally abnormally high level of obfuscation and vagueness which bedevils our mother tongue.
Could it be that as well as standing to lose several lawyers, solicitors, and barristers we could stand a drastic increase in our population of technical types?
I think so. :D
No I don't. :huh:
How do I know? :lol:
Of course I know! :)
Honest. ;)
:lol: :lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
@ j2k4 not until April or when ticket's are sold out bud, keep them crossed, maybe I'll get another $285.00 speeding ticket on the way home.... :helpsmile:
I'll tell you, quite honestly, that I would be proud of you for getting a ticket thus.Quote:
Originally posted by protak@25 February 2004 - 04:52
:lol: :lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
@ j2k4 not until April or when ticket's are sold out bud, keep them crossed, maybe I'll get another $285.00 speeding ticket on the way home.... :helpsmile:
As an aside, the last Hemi (a beautiful orange '70 Charger) I saw being thrashed on the street was owned by someone other than it's driver; this guy and his roomie (who did own it) were stationed at K.I. Sawyer Airbase, and the car's owner was on whatever duty they called that long, non-stop B-52 run-up to Alaska, over to Japan, and wherever-the-hell else; the other guy decided to "borrow" the car while he was gone.
We cheered his antics until he slid that gorgeous car upside-down past a crowd of us on the main drag.
We retrieved him uninjured from the wreckage, but his fly-buddy was not amused; we heard later he beat the guy within an inch of his life!
Ah, the memories!
Yes, Protak-
My fingers (and however many toes I can manage) will be crossed for you; GOOD LUCK!!