Too Many Accounts

Then this place would totally confuse everyone :rolleyes:

I've seen so many topics and posts lately that turn out to be someone else or someone on moderation/banned etc , man thats annoying, what SD and the guys done for a laugh with the judges is different, but all this "Hi I'm new here and I hate you all" type of crap is just.........worthy of a real good slap in the face and a fucking good kicking on the floor :angry:

Dunno, just guess that half this places members are the same people as the other half :rolleyes:

Now stop it before I take a smelly dump in the middle of the room and start rubbing peoples faces in it <_<

Jonno B)

And we love you too, Jonno&#33;&#33;&#33; :P

LP9

:rolleyes: You just had to did&#39;nt you :rolleyes: :lol:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@23 February 2004 - 13:11
:rolleyes: You just had to did&#39;nt you :rolleyes:&nbsp; :lol:

Jonno B)

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j&#39;k :P

Hey, everyone else moans, so I thought I would, I&#39;m trying to be miserable, getting bored with being cheerful so from now on I&#39;m gonna moan about everything :)

Jonno B)

I agree with you Jonno, let&#39;s get rid of the spam accounts :rolleyes:

Oh no, all the split personalities are coming out to play :lol: :lol:

See what I mean :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by danb@23 February 2004 - 15:27
Oh no, all the split personalities are coming out to play :lol: :lol:

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When did I give us permission to go out and play? <_<

I get too confused with one account let alone 27 different accounts :rolleyes: :P

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Originally posted by lycosbot@23 February 2004 - 13:26
I agree with you Jonno, let&#39;s get rid of the spam accounts :rolleyes:

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Can&#39;t a mod just trace this IP and tell us who "lycosbot" is?
He/she is obviously an old member...

i agree with you jonno. the other day i saw argarah started a thread and then backed up his point with his pseudonym 7thelephant. i thought to myself wtf?

What is wrong with one account per IP? I cant see any harm in it. Half the time in this Forum you dont know who you are &#39;talking&#39; to. I am guilty too. I did it to prove a point against multiple accounts. But I would completely agree with one account per IP. There may be issues that arise out of this suggestion, at the moment I am unaware of any. Even people who are networked have an IP associated with &#39;their&#39; computer.

I know we will get replies like &#39;too difficult to implement&#39; etc. Surely if you can ban an IP, then you can limit that IP to one account.

I agree wholeheartedly with this directive. Make It So.

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 13:37
What is wrong with one account per IP? I cant see any harm in it. Half the time in this Forum you dont know who you are &#39;talking&#39; to. I am guilty too. I did it to prove a point against multiple accounts. But I would completely agree with one account per IP. There may be issues that arise out of this suggestion, at the moment I am unaware of any. Even people who are networked have an IP associated with &#39;their&#39; computer.

I know we will get replies like &#39;too difficult to implement&#39; etc. Surely if you can ban an IP, then you can limit that IP to one account.

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All Freeserve customers connect through a proxy. It&#39;s been known for large numbers of them to simultaneously have the same IP

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 14:37
What is wrong with one account per IP? I cant see any harm in it. Half the time in this Forum you dont know who you are &#39;talking&#39; to. I am guilty too. I did it to prove a point against multiple accounts. But I would completely agree with one account per IP. There may be issues that arise out of this suggestion, at the moment I am unaware of any. Even people who are networked have an IP associated with &#39;their&#39; computer.

I know we will get replies like &#39;too difficult to implement&#39; etc. Surely if you can ban an IP, then you can limit that IP to one account.

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(This is Lamsey, as you all know - can&#39;t be arsed logging out :rolleyes: )

Many people have multiple accounts from the same IP. Examples include those who are routered and those who access the board through a proxy.

Myself and WeeMouse access the board from the same static IP through a router, for example.
Other examples include those who use AOhelL accounts, they seem to be automatically put through a proxy, with the result that many members here have the same IP, which made Mod life interesting to say the least :blink:

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Originally posted by 4th gen+23 February 2004 - 14:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 23 February 2004 - 14:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@23 February 2004 - 13:37
What is wrong with one account per IP? I cant see any harm in it. Half the time in this Forum you dont know who you are &#39;talking&#39; to. I am guilty too. I did it to prove a point against multiple accounts. But I would completely agree with one account per IP. There may be issues that arise out of this suggestion, at the moment I am unaware of any. Even people who are networked have an IP associated with &#39;their&#39; computer.

I know we will get replies like &#39;too difficult to implement&#39; etc. Surely if you can ban an IP, then you can limit that IP to one account.

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All Freeserve customers connect through a proxy. It&#39;s been known for large numbers of them to simultaneously have the same IP [/b][/quote]
then we ban freeserve customers, they never have anything worthwhile to say anyway ;)

That is a very good point BB :)

It can rather confusing and frustrating at times <_<

Are you saying Mr Stewart that every computer &#39;networked&#39; or routed through a server has the same IP?

Back in the normal account...

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 13:45
Are you saying Mr Stewart that every computer &#39;networked&#39; or routed through a server has the same IP?

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Not always, I&#39;m sure there are some situations where they have their own outside IP address.

However, to take my LAN as an example, the router has a single static IP address associated with it. All the computers in my house which connect to that router have a local IP address which they use to communicate with each other and the router. The computers never have an actual internet IP address.

All internet traffic goes through a system called NAPT (Network Address and Port Translation); I&#39;m not sure how this works but basically the router does all the communication with the internet and automatically sends data back to the PC which requested it.



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Are you saying Mr Stewart that every computer &#39;networked&#39; or routed through a server has the same IP?

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Not always, I&#39;m sure there are some situations where they have their own outside IP address.

However, to take my LAN as an example, the router has a single static IP address associated with it. All the computers in my house which connect to that router have a local IP address which they use to communicate with each other and the router. The computers never have an actual internet IP address.

All internet traffic goes through a system called NAPT (Network Address and Port Translation); I&#39;m not sure how this works but basically the router does all the communication with the internet and automatically sends data back to the PC which requested it.



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That sounds like how it was explained to me :blink: :blink:

The situation as I understand it is that &#39;networked&#39; computers have their own individual identity. I know my IP is different from my sons and we are networked.
That as it may be, I could not and will not argue about other methods of &#39;connection&#39; as I have been too long away from the &#39;main stream&#39;.

If this is the case then the responsibility should fall on the IP holder to ensure that &#39;multiple accounts&#39; are not operating through his/her system. If he/she is breaching that trust, then take away that IP access.

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 13:56
The situation as I understand it is that &#39;networked&#39; computers have their own individual identity. I know my IP is different from my sons and we are networked.
That as it may be, I could not and will not argue about other methods of &#39;connection&#39; as I have been too long away from the &#39;main stream&#39;.

If this is the case then the responsibility should fall on the IP holder to ensure that &#39;multiple accounts&#39; are not operating through his/her system. If he/she is breaching that trust, then take away that IP access.

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This is a good idea, but it doesn&#39;t solve the Freeserve/AOL proxy problem

What if two people use the same computer then? <_<

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 13:56
The situation as I understand it is that &#39;networked&#39; computers have their own individual identity. I know my IP is different from my sons and we are networked.
That as it may be, I could not and will not argue about other methods of &#39;connection&#39; as I have been too long away from the &#39;main stream&#39;.

If this is the case then the responsibility should fall on the IP holder to ensure that &#39;multiple accounts&#39; are not operating through his/her system. If he/she is breaching that trust, then take away that IP access.

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So you are saying that WeeMouse and I, who currently access the board from the same IP, should be banned?

Or perhaps the dozens of members who use a certain UK AOL proxy IP (no names mentioned because that would be unfair)?

Sorry to butt in. What is an IP? I have heard people talking about this but I have no clue what it is. If someone could answer me I would be very greatful.

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Originally posted by Skweeky@23 February 2004 - 14:59
What if two people use the same computer then? <_<

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That again comes down to trust Squeeky. If some one tries to register with the same IP a someone else the the IP owner would have to declare, on trust, that there are two different people using that computer. This is not the type of people we are asking to be stopped. It is the continual changing of accounts every day.

We are limited to one account per e-mail account. I cant see where the IP matter can not be overcome. I am sure a few people have left this forum because they do not know who they are talking to half the time. I have seen people with a timescale situated in the middle of the Atlantic one week. the next week they are in Europe the next in Australia.


When you think about it the vast majority of uses in this forum are one user one computer. I dont see a problem.

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Originally posted by Skweeky@23 February 2004 - 15:59
What if two people use the same computer then? <_<

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They should be shot :P

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Originally posted by NodDarnOj@23 February 2004 - 15:07
Sorry to butt in. What is an IP? I have heard people talking about this but I have no clue what it is. If someone could answer me I would be very greatful.

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IP - internet protocol, it is a specific number which helps servers locate you in the mish mash that is the internet. static ip&#39;s are significant to you, while dynamic ip&#39;s change every time you either disconnect from the internet or turn off your modem. there are 2 types of ip, the internet one and your internal one which helps you set up a lan by giving each machine an individual address.

Thankyou Spider dude. So it&#39;s kind of a telephone number for my computer.
Sorry to be a little thick but I&#39;ve only been on the internet for a week or so.
I got a computer and my friend set it up for me. I&#39;m afraid I&#39;m not too bright on this technical jargen.

Does this mean that people &#39;dynamic&#39; IP&#39;s can do what the hell they want on forums and no one can do anything about it. They just change their username and e-mail address?

If this is the case then some better method of control is required.

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Originally posted by bigboab@23 February 2004 - 14:16
Does this mean that people &#39;dynamic&#39; IP&#39;s can do what the hell they want on forums and no one can do anything about it. They just change their username and e-mail address?

If this is the case then some better method of control is required.

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Pretty much, although there are some actions which can be taken, for exaple banning known IP ranges.

I have two IPs assigned to my connection by my ISP. I could change my router to use its second IP if I wanted, but that&#39;s the only thing i could change it to. Presumably other dynamic addressing schemes work in a similar manner, only with a larger pool of IPs. Banning ranges is the only method which works in these cases, however this is extreme as there is a possibility of &#39;collateral damage&#39;.

If you want to change how this works, you&#39;ll have to restructure the entire internet, unfortunately.

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These stars are cool&#33; :)

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These stars are cool&#33; :)

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Now don&#39;t start spamming ;)

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These stars are cool&#33; :)

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Sorry,

For some reason i thought they were all seperate stars so when i copied the url, i pasted it in 5 times thinking thier will be only 5 stars. :ghostface:

EDIT: spelled URL wrong. dont ask :blink:

LOL - this is starting to sound like one of those &#39;80s Computer Studies videos they uses to have at school.........


Sorry - conintue.....you were all teaching us about IP&#39;s :)

I have learnt a lot. I did&#39;nt know there was so much to know. I am leanring, I can now use Microsoft Word and Paint quite well. I also managed to make a video in Windows Movie Maker. so I&#39;m pleased.

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Originally posted by NodDarnOj@23 February 2004 - 14:14
Thankyou Spider dude. So it&#39;s kind of a telephone number for my computer.
Sorry to be a little thick but I&#39;ve only been on the internet for a week or so.
I got a computer and my friend set it up for me. I&#39;m afraid I&#39;m not too bright on this technical jargen.

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How did you manage to join on the 2nd of Feb? :blink:

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Originally posted by NodDarnOj@23 February 2004 - 16:43
I have learnt a lot. I did&#39;nt know there was so much to know. I am leanring, I can now use Microsoft Word and Paint quite well. I also managed to make a video in Windows Movie Maker. so I&#39;m pleased.

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This is only the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceburg :)

To 4th Gen- I was on a friends computer, this one actually I was using his internet to try it out and see if I like it.
To Evil Gemini- Yes I hear people talking about other progs too like for sound editing and picture editing.
I am learning slowly, I don&#39;t think I&#39;m quite a hacker yet ha ha