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03-26-2004, 02:37 AM
bigdawgfoxx

I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO $2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha

I was wondering if it was worth getting the Athlon 64 FX-51, or 53 if its out...over the Athlon 64 3400? Its alot more exspensive.

Also what Is a good 64bit Mobo? How long do you think I should wait for a good chipset?

Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?

How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?
03-26-2004, 02:48 AM
tesco

I think you should go the 64bit route and dont wait for all of the new stuff like btx and pcix to come out because that will be in a long time and probably really expensive. plus i doubt they will need to upgrade this computer if it is a family computer, they can just buy all new parts in like 3 years...

get a motherboard with the nforce 3 chipset. gigabyte, abit or asus are good companies so narrow it down with those.

to save them money though, u dont have to buy overclocking ram with great timings, but atleast get 1gb as i heard the 64bit windows xp needs 1gb, but that may be wrong. and also u dont need to buy them a 9800xt which u were probably planning on doing, i would just get them a 9200, maybe 9500 or 9600 at most.
03-26-2004, 02:55 AM
bigdawgfoxx

You think im stupid? 9800XT? hell no haha i was thinking 9600Pro cuz he said he plays some games. There cheap so it dont matter really. I will go ahead and try to price one for them..and I guess i wont wait for the new stuff

Yall think the Athlon 64 3400 with 1MB cache is worth the $415? The cache should be good..you think he would really like that? Or go with a cheaper one? like the 3000

Good mobo? Gigabyte

What is this Ive heard that you cannot install a O/S with a sata drive or something?
03-26-2004, 03:10 AM
bigdawgfoxx

2 of these Corsair Value Select 512Mb PC3200 at 2.5CAS. Sounds pretty good too

Powercolor Radeon 9600XT with overdrive...very PRETTY card too.

Seagate 160GB HDD
03-26-2004, 03:15 AM
tesco

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 22:10
2 of these Corsair Value Select 512Mb PC3200 at 2.5CAS.  Sounds pretty good too

is that ram 'registered'? madcat said it has to be registered ram for a 64bit computer.

it says:

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Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered

Is the slash (\) there too seperate unbuffered and registered because they are opposite or is it there to show that they mean the same thing?
03-26-2004, 03:17 AM
bigdawgfoxx

I believe just the Athlon FX series has to have registered DDR

What is a good DVD burner?
03-26-2004, 03:25 AM
bigdawgfoxx

Need a good...400watt psu too
03-26-2004, 03:28 AM
tesco

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 22:25
Need a good...400watt psu too

PSU's by ultra are good and not too expensive either. enermax is great i love mine, but they are a lot more than the ultras.
03-26-2004, 03:29 AM
bigdawgfoxx

I already looked for ultras..none on newegg lol

Need a good 17...maybe 15in LCD screen..doesnt have to be a gaming one tho
03-26-2004, 03:30 AM
Spicker

how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
03-26-2004, 03:33 AM
tesco

on this page around 1/3 the way down there are some coolmax power supplies...look a lot like ultras <_< wierd...
03-26-2004, 03:34 AM
bigdawgfoxx

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Originally posted by jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any
03-26-2004, 03:35 AM
tesco

get a samsung lcd monitor.
03-26-2004, 03:36 AM
Spicker

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+26 March 2004 - 04:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 26 March 2004 - 04:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
ohhh come on atleast get 50 <_<

enuf to get u some neon or cold cathodes for ur pc :rolleyes: ;)
03-26-2004, 03:37 AM
james_bond_rulez

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 March 2004 - 18:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 25 March 2004 - 18:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
i dont charge friends at all

some friend you are... :lol:
03-26-2004, 03:39 AM
Spicker

yea dont charge ur friend and the guyz parents will pay u more... ;)
jus make the case look nice :lol:
03-26-2004, 03:39 AM
tesco

i probably wouldnt charge anything either, i enjoy building computers and stuff, i especially like troubleshooting them :)

here is a page full of good LCD monitors: right..........here! lol

make sure u make this PC better than the other guys pc, the one who wouldnt let u build it, then u can rub that in his face and hell be pissed and it will make u feel good. :D
03-26-2004, 03:41 AM
Spicker

get this one...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-001-150&depa=1

good price and i noe someone who has it... ;)
03-26-2004, 04:36 AM
peat moss

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 March 2004 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 25 March 2004 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
Good for you its fun any way wow $2200. I wouldn't wait buy the best you can now they'll be happier than a pig in shit :lol:

You can always charge them for the upgrades ! :)
03-26-2004, 04:45 AM
tesco

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Originally posted by peat moss+25 March 2004 - 23:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peat moss @ 25 March 2004 - 23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 19:34
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@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any

Good for you its fun any way wow $2200. I wouldn't wait buy the best you can now they'll be happier than a pig in shit :lol:

You can always charge them for the upgrades ! :) [/b][/quote]
lol u know what i just found? highlight the laugh smiley ( :lol: ) and then look at the face, looks funny lol.
03-26-2004, 05:43 AM
Keikan

ya I know it's like an old man smile
03-26-2004, 06:42 AM
adamp2p

It is pretty hard deciding what to get with other people's money, isn't it?

I think a good place to look for this information would be:

Anandtech's weekly buyer's guides
03-26-2004, 10:36 AM
FlyingDutchman

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO $2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?

When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the 'Cool & quiet' feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................
03-26-2004, 01:03 PM
bigdawgfoxx

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingDutchman+26 March 2004 - 04:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlyingDutchman @ 26 March 2004 - 04:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO $2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?

When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the 'Cool & quiet' feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................ [/b][/quote]
Good thinking...maybe just 1 or 2 case fans....

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think?
03-26-2004, 03:36 PM
FlyingDutchman

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 13:03

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think?

I am slowly building an AMD64 system myself, so I've done some reading on the subject.

The AMD64 comes in a few flavors:
*- Socket 754 (cheaper CPUs, cheaper memory, available now, no double bandwidth)
*- Socket 939 (probably more expensive CPUs, cheaper memory, not yet available, double bandwidth)
*- Socket 940 (more expensive CPUs, expensive ECC-memory, available now, double bandwidth)
Unless something unexpected happens soon I'm going for the socket 754 as it is the most mature socket of the 3, and cheapest.
Upgrading to a different board and CPU doesn't hurt as much as board+CPU can be had for $450

VIA seems to have a good chipset again with K8T800. Quite a few revieuwers (if not most) prefer boards with that chipset.
I'm inclined to buy the MSI K8T Neo FIS2R based on the good reviews, although ASUS gets good reviews too.

When the PC ends up in the livingroom, then make sure you have a look at the Black Knight Case, and make sure you see the detail pictures too. I think it is a stylish case, and pretty cheap ( $62 at NewEgg )
The case comes without PSU but that can be easily cured with this outstanding Nexus 350 Watts PSU :lol:

Edit:

The Athlon 64 Motherboard Shootout , a recent roundup of socket 754 boards (jan 04).
03-26-2004, 05:10 PM
adamp2p

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+26 March 2004 - 05:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 26 March 2004 - 05:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by FlyingDutchman@26 March 2004 - 04:36
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@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO $2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?

When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the 'Cool & quiet' feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................

Good thinking...maybe just 1 or 2 case fans....

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think? [/b][/quote]
Yes, I have read several testimonies that VIA is the way to go with Athlon 64 so far. Read around a bit.
03-26-2004, 06:41 PM
Mad Cat

I went for an SK8N (nForce 3) over VIA because I heard of some AGP lock problems with the Asus' VIA alternative, the SK8V. Only a couple of FPS in games whatever happens.