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There.You can let it all out in here.As I know some of you are wanting to Post a few things(some already have :P ).
And yes I have a few things to say that he fucked up on.But guess what?Nobody is perfect.If you can Name one Leader in the History of the World who is.Well hell we should Clone his ASS.
But if we just clone his ass he will be the same as most world leaders. :ph34r:
We're going to clone Maggie while she's here.
The first shipment should hit your shores in about six months. ;)
If we're going to clone world leaders, can we splice them as well? I'll submit that none of the current "world leaders" could even hold a candle to the ones of bygones past.
:ninja:
if we clone world leaders, they'll just fuck us all over again
why bother? <_<
While the subject is in the hopper, how does our current crop of members remember Churchill?
Would he fit the bill today?
In the current climate of spin and stage management of politicians, I suspect Churchill's love a good glass of malt and tendency to say what he thought would preclude him from rising through the ranks of most poltical parties.
I think the analysis would be "the people like him, but he is too big a risk".
The question is, whose loss is it?
Even given the "Great Man" phenomenon, odds are we would have seen more of his sort were we not so incapable of discernment as to what matters and what does not.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@12 June 2004 - 12:03
In the current climate of spin and stage management of politicians, I suspect Churchill's love a good glass of malt and tendency to say what he thought would preclude him from rising through the ranks of most poltical parties.
I think the analysis would be "the people like him, but he is too big a risk".
The question is, whose loss is it?
Whose loss?
Yours, of course.
Ours, too.
Everyone's, really.
I would agree.
The need to control from the centre reduces our choices to the bland and safe and rules out the truly able, because they tend to come with warts and all.
Even though I have no warts, I wouldn't trust a leader who didn't have at least one.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@12 June 2004 - 12:24
I would agree.
The need to control from the centre reduces our choices to the bland and safe and rules out the truly able, because they tend to come with warts and all.
I don't think Cromwell is a particularly good idea mate.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@12 June 2004 - 19:24
I would agree.
The need to control from the centre reduces our choices to the bland and safe and rules out the truly able, because they tend to come with warts and all.
Evil, special place in hell for him. Funeral was 25yrs too late. Destroyed the middle class of the US & started the desruction of the labor unions. Turned the US from the richest country in the world to over a 4 trillion $ debt. Fucked up deregulating the saving & loans (over 2 trillion there). On & on.
The credit to breaking up the USSR is stolen away from Gorbachov who it rightfully belongs to. :angry:
J'Pol
Although I appreciate he was the origin of the phrase, take it as read that, for all Celts at least, he is outwith any reasonable template.
But were you for or against him?Quote:
Originally posted by zapjb@12 June 2004 - 19:38
Evil, special place in hell for him. Funeral was 25yrs too late. Destroyed the middle class of the US & started the desruction of the labor unions. Turned the US from the richest country in the world to over a 4 trillion $ debt. Fucked up deregulating the saving & loans (over 2 trillion there). On & on.
The credit to breaking up the USSR is stolen away from Gorbachov who it rightfully belongs to. :angry:
:lol: :lol: :ph34r:
Being a Celt by both tradition and choice he really wouldn't hack it for me, no wait he would that's the point.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@12 June 2004 - 20:38
J'Pol
Although I appreciate he was the origin of the phrase, take it as read that, for all Celts at least, he is outwith any reasonable template.
Being a Celt by both tradition and choice he really wouldn't hack it for me, no wait he would that's the point. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol+12 June 2004 - 19:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 12 June 2004 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@12 June 2004 - 20:38
J'Pol
Although I appreciate he was the origin of the phrase, take it as read that, for all Celts at least, he is outwith any reasonable template.
:lol:
He was rather fond of pointy sharp things.
He did also tend to think that people who disagreed with him were none the worse for a good hanging.
Yes, sure-Quote:
Originally posted by zapjb@12 June 2004 - 13:38
Evil, special place in hell for him. Funeral was 25yrs too late. Destroyed the middle class of the US & started the desruction of the labor unions. Turned the US from the richest country in the world to over a 4 trillion $ debt. Fucked up deregulating the saving & loans (over 2 trillion there). On & on.
The credit to breaking up the USSR is stolen away from Gorbachov who it rightfully belongs to. :angry:
What we needed was a couple more decades of Carter-like "leadership", his "misery index", and his fecklessness as re: foreign policy.
We wouldn't be distinguishable from France, these days, if we were lucky enough to survive.
Reagan gave the middle-class entree to the actual money-making machinery, Zap.
Your assertion is wrong.
I will not go further with this, though I'm sure you will.
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Originally posted by J'Pol@12 June 2004 - 19:43
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@12 June 2004 - 20:38
J'Pol
Although I appreciate he was the origin of the phrase, take it as read that, for all Celts at least, he is outwith any reasonable template.
Being a Celt by both tradition and choice he really wouldn't hack it for me, no wait he would that's the point.
He was rather fond of pointy sharp things.
He did also tend to think that people who disagreed with him were none the worse for a good hanging. [/b][/quote]
I was hung many times as a boy, tho' not well.
It never did me any harm. In fact it made me the man I am today.
Sorry wandered off topic (yeah just a bit) apologies to those who want to add more hate posts with regard to the late President Reagan R.I.P.
Likewise apologies for drifting off topic.
I can't say I can think of much to say that fills the bill. He never impressed me much on the economic front and much of the foreign policy (Irangate etc.,) was farce - however he seemed an amiable soul, someone that one could sup a pint with and laugh at a joke or two.
:( Sorry I appreciate the above is "Hate Lite"
Is that the best you can do? :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@12 June 2004 - 14:14
:( Sorry I appreciate the above is "Hate Lite"
"Hate-lite", or good manners? ;)
I just realized, I have posted here on several occasions and haven't really done any Reagan hate. A bit of Thatcherism hate (hate of the policies not of the person) but no Reagan related stuff. Sorry about that.
Right
I think Ronald Reagan was upstaged by a monkey on numerous occasions. Yes the double meaning is intentional ;)
Further to paragraph 1, I don't really like the idea of hating a person. Hating their beliefs or actions OK. However hating a person sits uncomfortably with me. One never knows how they got to be who they are, or the reasons for what they do.
Fish may be slimy, but hey thanks for them anyway.
S'one of the things I like about you, J'Pol.Quote:
Originally posted by J'Pol@12 June 2004 - 14:38
Further to paragraph 1, I don't really like the idea of hating a person. Hating their beliefs or actions OK. However hating a person sits uncomfortably with me. One never knows how they got to be who they are, or the reasons for what they do.
I try, but often don't succeed; I have defaulted to keeping my own counsel in such cases.
j2k4 we differ in opinion. As a citizen of USA (thank you God) I have a right & I believe responsibility to point out where my government f's up. My previous assertions are correct. No matter, let us turn to today.
Today w (jr) is f'ing things up so much Reagan looks like a saint in comparison. The "war" alone (not antiterrorist included) is costing the US (us) over $400 billlion a year. For NOTHING! Even worse than that.
For $2 trillion (yes trillion) we could convert EVERY vechicle in the US to 90% corn alcohol/10% gasoline within 5yrs. And we'd be done yes DONE with the middle east. We never need them again. The cost of this "war" over the years will far exceed that. At this rate we could either be free in 5yrs or just plain wasted $2 trillion over the same period.
But jr & dad & cheney are oil sluts. There ya go. The truth. :frusty:
I'd say you are one-hundred percent spot-on, Zap. ;)
After your first sentence, though, the percentage drops precipitously. :)
Why would we want to pay the government to develop corn-alcohol?
To make their absurd corn-subsidy program look better?
To make Tom Daschle look good?
If it were worthwhile, the private sector would do it in a heartbeat, and it wouldn't require any government involvement (via taxation) whatsoever.
Don't think for a minute massive efforts aren't being expended in the search for alternative fuels; the first one that is viable in all the ways that guarantee survival will see the light of day, and you know why?
Because someone, somewhere wants to be rich.
I'll also guarantee you, blindly, that several such alternatives already exist, but aren't moving to the starting line because of fear the government will put it's gigantic thumb on it.
Problem there is no one seems to like the idea of private, competitive fueling schemes; if it's not all under one roof, the government can't tax it/them as thoroughly as they currently do.
Here is a lesson from the book of Reagan:
"Government's view of the economy could be summed-up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
You are thus enlightened. :)
Nice spin but wrong jk. The republicans are "fueling" their elite pockets to the detriment of the American public. Why be independent of the middle east & create 10's of thousands of good jobs in the US when you can make billions off it. And kill poor stupid American minorities to boot.
That's how fn "patriotic" the republicans are. :angry:
Who is to make these "billions", zap?Quote:
Originally posted by zapjb@12 June 2004 - 18:10
Nice spin but wrong jk. The republicans are "fueling" their elite pockets to the detriment of the American public. Why be independent of the middle east & create 10's of thousands of good jobs in the US when you can make billions off it. And kill poor stupid American minorities to boot.
That's how fn "patriotic" the republicans are. :angry:
The government?
"Kill poor stupid American minorities"?
What are you on about? :huh:
Jeez jk you're kidding right? I know we're on opposite sides of the scale here. But don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. Just say you disagree or something. I know you're intelligent but mislead. Don't disillusion me. :(
Please allow me to repeat myself:
"Kill poor stupid American minorities"?
What are you on about?
I'm sure others are interested as well.
so much for let the dead rest in peace ron was a good guy
I've always wondered what happened to not speaking ill of the dead. Guess I'm just old-fashioned.
:ninja:
Hitler is dead.Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@13 June 2004 - 11:35
I've always wondered what happened to not speaking ill of the dead. Guess I'm just old-fashioned.
:ninja:
Nuff said. Sit down. :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes but hitler was evil ron was not and ron was fun
Define evil.Quote:
Originally posted by Voetsek@13 June 2004 - 14:15
yes but hitler was evil ron was not and ron was fun
edit: never mind I don't really want a discussion with you sorry.
Thats ok evil is what evil is saddam hitler stalin now lets see who backed and helped saddam opps
Reagan.Quote:
Originally posted by Voetsek@13 June 2004 - 14:54
Thats ok evil is what evil is saddam hitler stalin now lets see who backed and helped saddam opps
Nuff said.
Ah, the typical glib response that is a great hallmark of these forums.
:ninja:
Gee thanks. :DQuote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@13 June 2004 - 23:55
Ah, the typical glib response that is a great hallmark of these forums.
:ninja:
http://www.lowculture.com/archives/i..._rip_bonzo.jpg
Some of his better work.
What's that Bonzo who Flucked up Medicare?
poeple this is not the lounge have some respect for the poster here please now i will leave