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Assuming you live in a country that is not a dictatorship, how do you vote in your country?
Over here (well in my place montreal,canada) schools/church other buildings are converted to polling station. We get a letter that has the address of the polling station/number of box. We go get a slip of paper, black with white circles with the names of person/party to vote for beside it. We mark an X on that circle and drop it in the box.
Exactly the same set up over here too (UK)
What I really want to know how this is done in the U.S. I read something in the news about punch cards :blink: ?
Seeing a balding 47 year-old man peer at a butterfly ballot with a magnifying glass for 5 minutes, in order to determine if the voter was confused about their vote, is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in my life.
:ninja:
this year the new hanging chad will be the electronic voting systems. The company that makes them is a big republican supporter and the idea of a fixed election is very scary at this point. Furthermore, the Bush administration is actually considering delaying the elections because of terrorism, and no one seems to care about this.Quote:
Originally posted by Ariel_001@14 July 2004 - 00:31
What I really want to know how this is done in the U.S. I read something in the news about punch cards :blink: ?
You get a letter that tells you where to vote, if you're "lucky" <_< you get drafted to man a polling station (paperwork + vote count).
Two ways of voting :
* Electronic vote, ~40% of the stations
* Manual vote, the rest
Pick either one party, one or more candidates within a party, one or more succesors within a party, a mix of candidates/succesors within a party, or vote blank. When voting electronically, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the magnetic strip on the voting card; when voting manually, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the ballot (drawing, ripping, etc.).
Both systems have been mad idiot-proof, a single count is all it takes to know the outcome.
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Originally posted by manker@14 July 2004 - 05:27
Exactly the same set up over here too (UK)
If you are lucky, you get a voting form through the post with enough time to fill it in and send it back. If you are really lucky you will even have been sent one which applies to the correct voting district.
You then have to fill in your name and address on a separate declaration sheet, sign it in front of a witness who also has to sign and fill in their name and address.
Then you put the voting form in an envelope, put that envelope and the declaration sheet into a second envelope. Then if there is sufficient time you put that in the post box and hope it gets delivered. Otherwise you have to drive to a central office (which may be 30 miles away or more) in order to deliver it by hand.
Still, if Blunkett has his way this will soon be a Police State so we won't need to worry about elections.
Where?Quote:
Originally posted by fred devliegher@14 July 2004 - 10:10
You get a letter that tells you where to vote, if you're "lucky" you get drafted to man a polling station (paperwork + vote count).
Two ways of voting :
* Electronic vote, ~40% of the stations
* Manual vote, the rest
Pick either one party, one or more candidates within a party, one or more succesors within a party, a mix of candidates/succesors within a party, or vote blank. When voting electronically, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the magnetic strip on the voting card; when voting manually, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the ballot (drawing, ripping, etc.).
Both systems have been mad idiot-proof, a single count is all it takes to know the outcome.
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Originally posted by lynx+14 July 2004 - 16:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 14 July 2004 - 16:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@14 July 2004 - 05:27
Exactly the same set up over here too (UK)
If you are lucky, you get a voting form through the post with enough time to fill it in and send it back. If you are really lucky you will even have been sent one which applies to the correct voting district.
You then have to fill in your name and address on a separate declaration sheet, sign it in front of a witness who also has to sign and fill in their name and address.
Then you put the voting form in an envelope, put that envelope and the declaration sheet into a second envelope. Then if there is sufficient time you put that in the post box and hope it gets delivered. Otherwise you have to drive to a central office (which may be 30 miles away or more) in order to deliver it by hand.
Still, if Blunkett has his way this will soon be a Police State so we won't need to worry about elections. [/b][/quote]
Same here :(
On bright side, i was really lucky this time....but 3 of my neighbours didnt get a ballot paper and had to ring in.
The Council hand delivered em
@ ZaZu
Flanders, Belgium.Quote:
Where?
Here in Brazil, the polling stations are public schools. The poll usually is on weekends... The polling is in machines (eletronic vote). It is faster to voting and to count votes. But it can still be corrupted like others forms of polling. :smilie4:
It’s the same here in Louisiana. The polling places are usually schools, fire stations and city halls.
The only difference here is that we have the old 1940’s style voting machines. It’s a big booth that you step into and pull a lever that closes a curtain behind you, then you pull down more levers to vote for you candidate.
I'm not of age to vote...
but my parents do, and i know that they get to choose between going to the public school or arena down the street...botyh are like a 2 minute walk so they alternate each time i guess.
they get a peice of paper in the mail (before going to the voting plae [area or school]), not sure what they do with it though. :( lol.
I think you are confusing this with the gas chamber.Quote:
Originally posted by BigBank_Hank@14 July 2004 - 22:53
It’s the same here in Louisiana. The polling places are usually schools, fire stations and city halls.
The only difference here is that we have the old 1940’s style voting machines. It’s a big booth that you step into and pull a lever that closes a curtain behind you, then you pull down more levers to vote for you candidate.
Isn't it strange how everyone seems to get a piece of paper before they vote.
Yet the bill comes afterwards. :blink:
Venezuela Using Untested Voting Machines
Sun Jul 11, 2:39 PM ET Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!
By ALEXANDRA OLSON, Associated Press Writer
CARACAS, Venezuela - Despite an electronic voting fiasco in 2000 and the furor over e-voting in the United States, Venezuela is using untested touchscreen computers for its recall referendum on Hugo Chavez's presidency.
Critics fear touchscreen voting machines in the Aug. 15 vote could fail spectacularly, exacerbating a crisis over Chavez's rule that has polarized the world's No. 5 oil exporter and killed dozens in sporadic political violence.
The touchscreen machines on which a third of the U.S. electorate will vote in November are dangerously vulnerable to hackers, rigging and mechanical failure, computer scientists generally agree.
That didn't deter the Chavez-dominated Venezuelan Elections Council from choosing Smartmatic Corp., a little-known Boca Raton, Fla.-based company, to provide similar technology — albeit with a printed record of each vote — for the referendum.
Smartmatic has never tested its machines in an election. And there has been no independent analysis or certification of its touchscreen system, although the council says the system will be audited before the vote.
In the United States, touchscreen computers are partly an attempt to eliminate hanging chads and other problems associated with the disputed U.S. presidential election results in Florida in 2000. Chavez often cites the Florida debacle to question George W. Bush's presidential credentials.
Yet in Venezuela, an electronic voting system produced that very same year what is widely known as the "mega-flop."
The biggest election in Venezuela's history was supposed to take place on May 28, 2000. More than 6,000 public offices were up for grabs, and Chavez, elected in 1998, was seeking re-election.
But two days before the vote, the Supreme Court postponed the election because of problems with computer software needed to tabulate votes and register more than 36,000 candidates. It was humiliating for election officials who had insisted things were going smoothly.
The Omaha, Neb.-based software provider, Election Systems & Software, blamed constant changes by election authorities in posting thousands of candidates.
E-voting did take place in July 2000 with few problems. But the postponement prompted authorities to reject any new deal with ES&S and to retire machines from the Spanish company Indra.
This year, a pro-Chavez majority on the five-member elections council voted to sign a $91 million contract with Smartmatic and its two partners, Venezuelan software company Bitza Corp., and CANTV, Venezuela's publicly held telephone company.
Council president Francisco Carrasquero said Smartmatic won based on three factors: security, cost, and technology transfer.
In the past Venezuela depended on Indra or other foreign firms to run its elections, Carrasquero said, while Smartmatic is providing Venezuela licenses for its systems.
"Now it's in the council's hands, and we'll have autonomy designing automated elections," he said.
Carrasquero also argued that e-voting is the best way to avoid ballot-stuffing he said marred elections before Chavez came to power.
The Smartmatic deal includes 20,000 touchscreen voting machines and plans to run regional elections in September. Another $24 million contract for the referendum is in the works.
Two elections council members abstained from the Smartmatic vote. One of them, Ezequiel Zamora, declared: "I thought a process as simple as a referendum should be done manually. An untried system is always going to create doubt."
Chavez, whose term runs to 2007, can be recalled if the opposition gets more votes than the nearly 3.8 million he received in 2000. Elections would be held within 30 days to choose someone to serve out his term.
Chavez says the recall is an effort by a corrupt Venezuelan elite, backed by Washington, to end his leftist revolution on behalf of the poor. Venezuela's opposition accuses Chavez of gradually imposing an authoritarian regime.
Opponents initially objected to the e-voting plans, then asked for a simultaneous audit using a small sampling of the machines.
"Smartmatic is a company that hasn't tested its system anywhere in the world — and it's going to test it here in Venezuela in a process as important as the recall referendum," complained Luis Planas, a member of the opposition COPEI party.
Suspicion deepened after The Miami Herald reported in May that a Venezuelan state industrial development fund had invested in Bitza, whose role is to integrate manual votes into the electronic system. Some 10 percent of voters, mostly in rural areas, will cast manual ballots.
Bitza quickly announced it would buy back the government's 28 percent stake.
Smartmatic President Antonio Mugica, who also co-founded Bitza, insists his firm is apolitical, and he brushed aside concerns about Smartmatic's inexperience.
"There is no voting system more secure than this one," Mugica boasted, tapping a machine's screen during a demonstration in his sleekly furnished Caracas office.
A square piece of paper popped out of the computer, a physical record of his vote. That, Mugica insists, is the system's primary safeguard against fraud: A paper trail that allows for a recount of any contested election.
Voters must deposit the slip into a ballot box before they can retrieve their IDs from polling officials.
The paper trail theoretically spares Smartmatic from a key complaint about touchscreen machines in the United States. Those machines won't have paper records in November, although a growing number of U.S. states will mandate them in future elections.
Mugica, an engineering graduate from Caracas' Simon Bolivar University, founded Smartmatic in 2000 with three other Venezuelans. The software firm handles its finance and sales in Boca Raton but does most research and development in Venezuela. It reported sales of $1.47 million for the six months ending June 30, 2003, according to Dun & Bradstreet.
Mugica said the firm began developing its electronic voting system in 2001, inspired partly by Venezuela's 2000 elections. He said the data storage and transmission will be encrypted, which should frustrate tampering.
But U.S. computer experts have found numerous security flaws in touchscreen machines, including incorrect use of cryptography, said Aviel D. Rubin, a computer science professor at Johns Hopkins University.
"Computers can be made to produce any outcome that you want without anybody really knowing that's what was done," Rubin said.
SOURCE yahoo
Last year when I went to vote the principal of the school where the office was situated that day decided he wasn't happy because he still didn't get a fire escape from the city.Quote:
Originally posted by fred devliegher@14 July 2004 - 14:10
You get a letter that tells you where to vote, if you're "lucky" <_< you get drafted to man a polling station (paperwork + vote count).
Two ways of voting :
* Electronic vote, ~40% of the stations
* Manual vote, the rest
Pick either one party, one or more candidates within a party, one or more succesors within a party, a mix of candidates/succesors within a party, or vote blank. When voting electronically, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the magnetic strip on the voting card; when voting manually, you can vote "invalid" by damaging the ballot (drawing, ripping, etc.).
Both systems have been mad idiot-proof, a single count is all it takes to know the outcome.
He closed the school.
It was so fun waiting outside in the heat for almost 4 hours. And no, we cannot decide just to go home, because if we don't vote we get a 250 euro fine <_<
At least I don't have to worry about that crap here anymore :D
Hi everybody!
I Live in Mexico and here,
(altough I don´t vote)
the IFE (Instituto Federal Electoral - Elections Federal Institute),
places voting ¨stands¨ in strategic places,
like in sidewalks or in Malls,
you must have an ID, (Credencial Electoral - Elections ID),
you shou it to the person asigned to that ¨post¨ and
the he gives you a paper with the diferen parties,
(I think there are like 9 diferent parties, but the strongest ones are:
PRI : Partido Revolusionario Institucional- Intitutional Revolutionary partie(I Think
PAN : Partido Accion Nacional - National Action Partie)
The you have to mark with an X the one you want...