''without language there is no thought''

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10-06-2004, 08:32 PM
Gemby!

''without language there is no thought''

Agree or disagree ?

Here's a quote from ''Enduring love'' by Ian McEwan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...glovequote.jpg

It's the first underlined sentance.

i was just curious as to wether you lot think the same ( that you need language in order to think) or you disagree with it ( that you can think without language)
10-06-2004, 08:33 PM
Mr. Mulder

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

I disagree.
10-06-2004, 08:33 PM
RGX

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

You can think without language, and i'm pretty sure thats easy to prove.
10-06-2004, 08:34 PM
TheRealDave

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemby!

Agree or disagree ?

Here's a quote from ''Enduring love'' by Ian McEwan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...glovequote.jpg

It's the first underlined sentance.

i was just curious as to wether you lot think the same ( that you need language in order to think) or you disagree with it ( that you can think without language)

is this a way of getting us to do your homework for you? :lol:
10-06-2004, 08:35 PM
tesco

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

You can think about pictures in your mind so language isn't really required to think.
10-06-2004, 08:36 PM
Gemby!

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

@ the real dave - nah my homework is an essay on the first chapter of the book, i was just interested in this line :P
10-06-2004, 08:37 PM
enoughfakefiles

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROSSCO_2004

You can think about pictures in your mind so language isn't really required to think.

But what would you call these pictures.?? :blink:
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
Rat Faced

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

You dont think in words :blink:
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
Gemby!

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by RGX

You can think without language, and i'm pretty sure thats easy to prove.

It's just as easy to come up with points against it though.
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
bujub22

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

cave ppl crunted at each other and it was'nt consider'd a language
but they understood each other

so i disagree
10-06-2004, 08:44 PM
tesco

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by enoughfakefiles

But what would you call these pictures.?? :blink:

nothing...you just think images.

imagine how hard it would have been to start a language. :frusty:
10-06-2004, 08:44 PM
Gemby!

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

You dont think in words :blink:

Yes you do :P

How do you decide what you are going to write in posts ?? by thinking about what you are going to type :P
10-06-2004, 08:45 PM
RGX

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Thats just a medium through which our thoughts are translated so we can understand each other surely...
10-06-2004, 08:47 PM
manker

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

I agree.

Language is means of communication. Your thoughts are communicated throughout your brain via synapses. Whether in pictoral form or not. Bees communicate, Cavemen communicated. Every animal capable of cognitive thought communicates. Language is a very broad term.

Without language there could be no thought.
10-06-2004, 08:49 PM
Gemby!

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

holy crap !

i've started a completely serious topic of discussion that im actually interested in :o

and its so hard to prove it wrong, or right for that fact
10-06-2004, 08:50 PM
enoughfakefiles

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by manker

I agree.

Language is means of communication. Your thoughts are communicated throughout your brain via synapses. Whether in pictoral form or not. Bees communicate, Cavemen communicated. Every animal capable of cognitive thought communicates. Language is a very broad term.

Without language there could be no thought.

Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???
10-06-2004, 08:51 PM
DanB

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by gemby!

holy crap !

i've started a completely serious topic of discussion that im actually interested in :o

and its so hard to prove it wrong, or right for that fact

I knew you had it in you :01:
10-06-2004, 08:55 PM
RGX

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by enoughfakefiles

Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???

Done. Can't tell you what it is though . :P

It's relativley easy to prove, a perfect example stated by Manker. Bees "dance" to communicate with each other, yet they have no word based language....unless you define dancing as language.
10-06-2004, 08:56 PM
bujub22

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by enoughfakefiles

Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???

fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that
10-06-2004, 08:57 PM
RGX

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by bujub22

fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that

He said object joob joob.
10-06-2004, 08:58 PM
enoughfakefiles

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

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Originally Posted by bujub22

fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that

And the googlebot say`s.

http://www.mattdowell.org/powell_fo_shizzle.jpg

:lol: :lol:
10-06-2004, 08:59 PM
manker

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGX

Done. Can't tell you what it is though . :P

It's relativley easy to prove, a perfect example stated by Manker. Bees "dance" to communicate with each other, yet they have no word based language....unless you define dancing as language.

Dancing is just as valid a language as if the bee spoke and said 'Mate - there's a flower over there'

What about body language, is that not allowed either :P

Edit: Actually, you said it all. Only just realised. Language is not restricted to the spoken word.
10-06-2004, 11:51 PM
Everose

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

I have a step son who is deaf, has never spoken or heard language. He was taught to communicate through sign language. He surely had thoughts before he had a language.

Or even a little baby. They communicate their wants and needs, but what of their thoughts?
10-07-2004, 07:21 PM
Gemby!

Re: ''without language there is no thought''

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everose

I have a step son who is deaf, has never spoken or heard language. He was taught to communicate through sign language. He surely had thoughts before he had a language.

Or even a little baby. They communicate their wants and needs, but what of their thoughts?

see its hard to prove right or wrong :P

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