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I have to tell you that I've changed my mind.
I am French opposed to this war, and I don't support my president anymore. His work was counter productive and he totally failed to prevent this war. You have to know that this guy is populist and a demagogue. His veto was motivated only by national interests, he doesn't care with the future of this planet.
Bush is a bastard, so is Chirac. The situation is much more difficult because there's no UN support to this war.
I agree with what you have to say. Bush is, as you politely put it, a Bastard! Chirac only looks for his popularity and not the success of his country. He'd be the kind of president to release social reforms only to look good and to make life better for the people here and now (such as an national insurance act such as the one in britain in 1911). If he got told to spend a lot of cash on something that will slowly immensly help generations to come I doubt he would.
As for Bush, he is mad! He thinks he is a genuine gift from god - some divine saviour to rid earth from evil. Well Bush, im sure you have your own supply of cyanide should the worst come to the wrost, use it! This man is stupid and I will prove it by a few alleged quotes
" why don't French have a word for entrepreneur?
"I think we all agree, the past is over" --- well done, his mand really notices the hard to spot.
"Is our children learnin?" -- obviously you are not, go back to school.
"Will the highways of the internet become more few" -- no comment <_<
"Do you have blacks in Brazil?" -- yes bush, slightly more than you have in USA.
"Put food on your faimly" --- this is one of many of his sexual "thangs" i think.
"Make the ecomany gooder" --- no comment :blink:
Here's the best from Chirac :
I love it! :lol:Quote:
'Promises only commit those who believe in them'
yeah do you think hussein believed it when he promised to disarm?
Oh my, what are we to do? its yet one more snooty frenchman talking shit about america. Now don't get me wrong I do not agree with my president on all levels, but he IS my president and This is MY country.Quote:
Originally posted by ketoprak@27 March 2003 - 02:03
I have to tell you that I've changed my mind.
I am French opposed to this war, and I don't support my president anymore. His work was counter productive and he totally failed to prevent this war. You have to know that this guy is populist and a demagogue. His veto was motivated only by national interests, he doesn't care with the future of this planet.
Bush is a bastard, so is Chirac. The situation is much more difficult because there's no UN support to this war.
Let me remind you of a "little" war called WWII.
Lots of americans lie in normandy soil so you wouldn't all have to be named "hans" and "helga"
I've done my history, and apparently you guys enjoyed the nazi occupation
Makes me wonder if the european campaign was worth the cost! :angry:
http://www.strategypage.com/humor/default....h_victories.htm
This is out of topic. I was mostly talking about MY president, not YOURS.Quote:
Oh my, what are we to do? its yet one more snooty frenchman talking shit about america. Now don't get me wrong I do not agree with my president on all levels, but he IS my president and This is MY country.
Let me remind you of a "little" war called WWII.
Lots of americans lie in normandy soil so you wouldn't all have to be named "hans" and "helga"
I've done my history, and apparently you guys enjoyed the nazi occupation
Makes me wonder if the european campaign was worth the cost!
I never said that I was not gratefull to the US participation in WWII (btw, we won the war mostly thanks to a dictator named Stalin and to the 10 000 000 Russians soldiers who died in this war...)
Anyway, it seems very strange to me that most Americans can't criticize their president once he's elected. Is it like Iraqis who can't criticize their dictator?
We French live in a real democracy. We can criticize our president, even in time of war...
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Originally posted by ketoprak@29 March 2003 - 11:23
I never said that I was not gratefull to the US participation in WWII (btw, we won the war mostly thanks to a dictator named Stalin and to the 10 000 000 Russians soldiers who died in this war...)
We French live in a real democracy. We can criticize our president, even in time of war...
I'm gonna take exception to your first comment - Big Time!!
"We, fucking WE, won the war". How can you possibly say any French people, with the exception of the Resistance, helped win the Second World War?? The French GLADLY packed Jews off onto the trains to Auschwitz. The majority bent over for the Nazi's to fuck them. How dare you defile the memories of the brave Allied soldiers that died to save your French Arse. Whilst Stalin may have been sending 10,000,000 men to die, I think the Western Front and the invasion of Italy and North Africa may have helped a bit!! None of which the French helped in any big way. De Gaulle HID in London for the duration of the War and returned a hero which goes to show how shallow the average Frenchman is. The clung desparately onto their fading colonial empire in South East Asia, which in turn dragged the U.S into Vietnam. I'm sure the American board members would all thank you for that!!
You are entitled to your opinion, however misguided, but don't forget you owe us for saving you from a lifetime of Leiderhosen and David Hasselhoff singing - [FONT=Impact]TWICE!!!!!!![/FONT]
:angry:
WE was refering to the Allied.
And you sully the reputation of my grand-father. He enetred the resistance in 1941, before the US got involved in this war. And he never left France.
Once again this is OUT OF TOPIC.
I'm all for staying On Topic, but you bought up the Second World War. I also said " with the exception of the Resistance". That means that they helped, I meant no disrespect to your Grandfather. Only to you!!
I bet you are getting a kick out of inflaming the American Board members but personally I'm finding it a bit boring. I have friends in the Armed Forces who are in the conflict zone and I want to see them again soon, safe and sound!!
You are not saying anything new, only repeating yourself.
Repeating yourself.
Repeating yourself.
:ph34r:
As is the war : repeated kilings.Quote:
You are not saying anything new, only repeating yourself.
Repeating yourself.
Repeating yourself.
Repeated killings.
Repeated killings.
I am not a frenchman, I am scottish (hence the avator) but I feel the french get too much greif over the two world wars. During the war french were weak and terrified of Germany. Since Otto Von Bismarck (please tell me you all know who he is?) brought unity to germany in 1871 France have been scared. It goes back to Napoleon who re-shaped some of the few hundred german states into fewer (38 I believe) and what was not formaly Germany didn't like this hence beethovan and schiller composed anti-french peices. So there has a long time after that been heat between them and then the Spanish Civil War happend where Germany done thier first ever blitzkreig feared france further. So france taking the scared stance knowing there was already a conquering plan is understandable. I mean the Treaty of Versilles was extremely unfair to Germany and pushed largly by France so they had a right to be scared when Hitler spoke out which was why France was so pro-appeasement and despite feeling awkward with invasion into the Rhineland and their army exceeding the numbers they didn't want to provoke conflict.
but to say the French enjoyed the Nazi occupation is wrong it is just since Bismarck especially (when he a fool of Napoleons newphew, Napoleon III) the French war confidence had been beaten so it was fear I believe.
Anyway, I am not going to give my opinion on who helped this war finish and I will not quote anything A.J.P Taylor says about it but French men died on the soil alongside Americans, British Russians and you name it to keep a more peacefully shaped Europe away from a dictatorship. Mistakes were made and during the war, every country had major faults and made bad choices only for thier own country. So think not about what country was pro-hitler or anti-hitler and what country helped this war end think only about the many men women and children who fell for a pointless war on some Austrians fasination with the work of Bismarck and still have the 2 minutes silence on the 11th of the 11th at 11'o clock to remember the lifes lost.
Re Chirac
Itīs not about either of the previous wars mentioned.
Itīs not about this war.
Itīs about French investments in the region. Killing the Goose that lays the golden eggs. There is a lot of economic pressure, particularly from some major players in France, who didnīt want this to happen.
I would not be at all surprised to find that there are some embarassing "secrets". In the region in general and in Iraq in particular.
Just so as my position is clear. I am against war. However sometimes not to act is the worse option.
To paraphrase. For evil to succeed it takes only that good men do nothing.
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Originally posted by soopaman+29 March 2003 - 02:47--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soopaman @ 29 March 2003 - 02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ketoprak@29 March 2003 - 11:23
I never said that I was not gratefull to the US participation in WWII (btw, we won the war mostly thanks to a dictator named Stalin and to the 10 000 000 Russians soldiers who died in this war...)
We French live in a real democracy. We can criticize our president, even in time of war...
I'm gonna take exception to your first comment - Big Time!!
"We, fucking WE, won the war". How can you possibly say any French people, with the exception of the Resistance, helped win the Second World War?? The French GLADLY packed Jews off onto the trains to Auschwitz. The majority bent over for the Nazi's to fuck them. How dare you defile the memories of the brave Allied soldiers that died to save your French Arse. Whilst Stalin may have been sending 10,000,000 men to die, I think the Western Front and the invasion of Italy and North Africa may have helped a bit!! None of which the French helped in any big way. De Gaulle HID in London for the duration of the War and returned a hero which goes to show how shallow the average Frenchman is. The clung desparately onto their fading colonial empire in South East Asia, which in turn dragged the U.S into Vietnam. I'm sure the American board members would all thank you for that!!
You are entitled to your opinion, however misguided, but don't forget you owe us for saving you from a lifetime of Leiderhosen and David Hasselhoff singing - [FONT=Impact]TWICE!!!!!!![/FONT]
:angry: [/b][/quote]
Hell yes, give it to him soopa :lol:
I am VERY Critcal of bush and his policy and the decisions he has made, but I back him 100% on the war. I don't want to start up yet another flame war, so let me just say that I respect your opinion, but I believe you may be SLIGHTLY misguided.Quote:
Originally posted by ketoprak@29 March 2003 - 02:23
This is out of topic. I was mostly talking about MY president, not YOURS.Quote:
Oh my, what are we to do? its yet one more snooty frenchman talking shit about america. Now don't get me wrong I do not agree with my president on all levels, but he IS my president and This is MY country.
Let me remind you of a "little" war called WWII.
Lots of americans lie in normandy soil so you wouldn't all have to be named "hans" and "helga"
I've done my history, and apparently you guys enjoyed the nazi occupation
Makes me wonder if the european campaign was worth the cost!
I never said that I was not gratefull to the US participation in WWII (btw, we won the war mostly thanks to a dictator named Stalin and to the 10 000 000 Russians soldiers who died in this war...)
Anyway, it seems very strange to me that most Americans can't criticize their president once he's elected. Is it like Iraqis who can't criticize their dictator?
We French live in a real democracy. We can criticize our president, even in time of war...
Peace B)
Its ironic that the same people that are up in arms over 'America Bashing' keep picking on the French...
Why?
They are doing what is in THEIR best economic interests....exactly the same as the USA.
If you hate the French so much, give them their Fucking Statue back.... (Statue of Liberty) ...It must be an unwanted gift.
To those that keep pointing at WWII....It was the French 'Authorities' that surrendered, not the French People. Ask any of those Hundreds of Airmen that came down in Europe and were smuggled from house to house through "Vichy France' to Spain and Freedom.
The Free French that you seem to condemn out of hand were some of the bravest men in the war...why? Their FAMILIES were in France, not safe in a free country, thousands of miles from danger.
Yes, their General was an arrogant man.....and didnt hit it off with US President...but are you surprised? The allies kept leaving him out of 'the loop' and sidelining him.
I can call the French a lot of things, and often do.....but cowards isnt one of them.
They have as much 'pride' in themselves as the USA have. Its not the USA that have had 2 world wars virtually fought on their soil....hell, remember its not just their enemies that bombed them but their allies too.
I can also remember a war in which The French saved the USA with the supply of thousands of troops etc etc........its called The American War of Independance.
Thanks Rat Faced.
You're a fair traditional ennemy. ;)
hey we all know that france is in bed with saddam.
and alot of truths are going to come out about how deep their relationship goes(pun intended).
have you heard the breaking news though?
the french have been training the iraqi army leading up to this war...
havent you seen how many iraqis are surrendering?
LMFAO! Touche'!
Good one.
Any how... france has so many economic dealings and dependicies with iraq, its no wonder they were begging for no war... of course, years down the road... they would be the first to give in to saddam and his demands...
yes.. you can thank us now for taking these preventive measures, heaven forbid you have to run around with your arms up and white flags again.