Do You Believe That George W. Bush Stole Election of 2000??

I'm sure there has been a poll like this before but I want to know thoughts of the current members. :)

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i don't think he stole the election by fraud if that was implied, but he didn't win it by the popular vote.... this time he did, but if kerry had about 160,000 more votes he would have become president even with less national votes

Stealing being like the whole fake felons list in florida, confusing ballots, etc.

Rosco you really need to stop believing everything that Michael Moore says. He and his nut job friends are one of the factors that lost Kerry the election.

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Rosco you really need to stop believing everything that Michael Moore says. He and his nut job friends are one of the factors that lost Kerry the election.

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the disenfanchising happened...not because moore said it did, however the question was did BUSH steal the election and i don't think he was guilty of any wrong doing. This doesn't mean that none of his supporters are innocent.

Even with this election errors were made, but it's not attributable to the candidates.

I want
Proof
Evidence
Facts
and if prooved there was naughtiness
there must be a punishment

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Rosco you really need to stop believing everything that Michael Moore says. He and his nut job friends are one of the factors that lost Kerry the election.

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hence the poll. :rolleyes:

wait...how did moore lose kerry the election? :huh: I've not heard that one before. :unsure:

Yes & 2004 as well.

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Originally Posted by rossco_2004

hence the poll. :rolleyes:

wait...how did moore lose kerry the election? :huh: I've not heard that one before. :unsure:

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Moore is nut job and is on the far left of the political spectrum. In a time where everyone in the country is on alert and cautious of another terrorist attack Moore came out and said that there is no threat of terrorism. John Kerry’s inability to distance himself form people like that played a role in him losing. In fact during his Democratic Convention Moore was in attendance sitting next to former President Jimmy Carter. Things like that raised a lot of eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Moore is nut job and is on the far left of the political spectrum. In a time where everyone in the country is on alert and cautious of another terrorist attack Moore came out and said that there is no threat of terrorism. John Kerry’s inability to distance himself form people like that played a role in him losing. In fact during his Democratic Convention Moore was in attendance sitting next to former President Jimmy Carter. Things like that raised a lot of eyebrows.

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perhaps people that worry about supporters more than the candidate need to ask themselves if they are concentrating on the right things....i don't know one person that thought moore is an issue...apart from people that would vote bush no matter what

Well if he doesn’t separate himself from people like Moore then to me they have the same beliefs.

I believe Bush stole the election. I don't care about this "guiltyness".

The election was swayed in his favor illegally. He benefited, he stole it.

I believe MCVIV for this election as well. I really don't believe that many Americans were that stupid enough seeing that the last election was actually closer and Bush did nothing right (besides besides making the rich a little richer).

Not sure on the stolen issue - something didn't look quite right but it is water under the bridge now.

However, I heard something about Ohio on the radio the other day about a much higher percentage of valid provisional votes than first thought. Are they still counting votes out there and is it still relevant? :blink:

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Well if he doesn’t separate himself from people like Moore then to me they have the same beliefs.

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if you are going to take that stance hank then you have to accept that every single mischief done by republicans is directtly attributable to bush...which would take away my arguement that Bush didn't steal the 2000 election.

If Kerry spent all his time seperating himself from others he would have had n o time to talk about any issue...the same goes for Bush.

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Well if he doesn’t separate himself from people like Moore then to me they have the same beliefs.

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I think the Far Right supported Bush...

People like the KKK, and various TV Religious persons that scam a lot of money off a lot of people, plus various CEO's of companies under investigation of fraud...

As Bush doesnt seperate himself from his supporters, they have the same beliefs (as you stated)... and you voted for him...

all men are equal, but some are more equal than others:whistling


edited: the situation bares no relation to animal farm but my point is why should a person's vote count more or less depending on where they live?

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Originally Posted by TheDave

all men are equal, but some are more equal than others:whistling


edited: the situation bares no relation to animal farm but my point is why should a person's vote count more or less depending on where they live?

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hehe.
good book.

@ hank

Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina, wrote the president a letter. "Dear Mr. President: In your re-election, God has graciously granted America--though she doesn't deserve it--a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. ...Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. ... If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them."

didn't hear any distancing.
source

that worries me. i think the whole axis of evil thing may be another christian conquest. in which case... we're doomed

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Originally Posted by TheDave

all men are equal, but some are more equal than others:whistling


edited: the situation bares no relation to animal farm but my point is why should a person's vote count more or less depending on where they live?

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Read up on the electoral college then comeback to us.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Read up on the electoral college then comeback to us.

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ok, let me put it this way if the populer vote doesn't win. thats not democracy, it is biased

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Originally Posted by TheDave

ok, let me put it this way if the populer vote doesn't win. thats not democracy, it is biased

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Read up on our government and the election of our politicians. It's not a democracy. Explain the bias btw.

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Originally Posted by TheDave

ok, let me put it this way if the populer vote doesn't win. thats not democracy, it is biased

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america isn't a democracy.

why should a swing state with 51%-49% competition have more sway than an 80%-20%.

thats unfair

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Originally Posted by TheDave

why should a swing state with 51%-49% competition have more sway than an 80%-20%.

thats unfair

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Read up on the electoral college then comeback to us.

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:huh:

is that not how it works.

1, state regional election.
2, winner gains all electoral points no matter the popular vote margin
3, points added up. candidate wins on electoral points

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Originally Posted by TheDave

is that not how it works.

1, state regional election.
2, winner gains all electoral points no matter the popular vote margin
3, points added up. candidate wins on electoral points

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Uh...yeah..did you read up on the electoral college or what?

I'm guessing what. :dry:

i heard how it works on the news and read some american newspaper website. wtf is your point about the college. what if i read it word for word, come knowing exactly what i already knew. then what?

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Originally Posted by TheDave

i heard how it works on the news and read some american newspaper website.

I figured as much :lol: :lol:

wtf is your point about the college. what if i read it word for word, come knowing exactly what i already knew. then what?

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I dunno.

How are the points arrived at?

Why was the "college" put in place?

:ohmy:

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Originally Posted by vidcc

@ hank

Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina, wrote the president a letter. "Dear Mr. President: In your re-election, God has graciously granted America--though she doesn't deserve it--a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. ...Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. ... If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them."

didn't hear any distancing.
source

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Where in the world did you dig that up? I stay up to date with the news and I didn’t hear anything about this and I didn’t have to do any googling to dig something up. Moore wrote books and made movies, which got major media coverage. Also the guy that wrote the letter wasn’t sitting next to a former President during the Republican convention.

Bob Jones of the Bob Jones University???






One suspects it is not in the Ivy League.

Nice to see us Pagans get a mention though :)

Any word on Ohio or was I having aural hallucinations?

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Where in the world did you dig that up? I stay up to date with the news and I didn’t hear anything about this and I didn’t have to do any googling to dig something up. Moore wrote books and made movies, which got major media coverage. Also the guy that wrote the letter wasn’t sitting next to a former President during the Republican convention.

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I didn't have to do any googling, i watch meet the press when i can and it was on there.

There are lots of extremist that openly support bush and openly say her owes them.
the point being the supporters are not the candidate.

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Bob Jones of the Bob Jones University???






One suspects it is not in the Ivy League.

Nice to see us Pagans get a mention though :)

Any word on Ohio or was I having aural hallucinations?

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A liberal arts, nondenominational Christian university, BJU stands without apology for the old-time religion and the absolute authority of the Bible

it's an actual uni. founded by his grandfather Bob Jones 1....they aren't too original when they name offspring

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I didn't have to do any googling, i watch meet the press when i can and it was on there.

There are lots of extremist that openly support bush and openly say her owes them.
the point being the supporters are not the candidate.

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My point was the Kerry never tried to distance himself from people like more and he lost the election partly because of that. I never heard of the guy in your example but that didn’t hurt Bush he won.

i don't think moore did any damage at all to kerry. The people that voted Bush didn't do it because they don't like michael moore. The only people that say he hurt the campaign are people that wouldn't vote kerry anyway.
Moore wasn't trying to influence Kerry, he was trying to get people to not vote bush...the kind of extremist i highlighted ARE trying to influence Bush to operate their own agenda...personally i think that is wrong, because the president is supposed to represent all americans, not special interests

The entire religious right has made it clear..BUSH OWES THEM. The Bob Jones thing was all over the news. Lots of the religious right agree with that letter, and that's pretty scary, don't you think?
Look at the bullshit they included in the latest bill..they tried to slip in the right to examine everyone's IRS info, and even worse, they are jumping onthe anti-abortion bandwagon. They included new provisions inthat department. Oh yeah..most importantly, they included something like 2 million for bush to buy a presidential yacht..but there are still homeless, hungry, unemployed, and uninsured americans. Yup, that was really importatn..a friggin boat. what an asshole

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Oh yeah..most importantly, they included something like 2 million for bush to buy a presidential yacht..but there are still homeless, hungry, unemployed, and uninsured americans. Yup, that was really importatn..a friggin boat. what an asshole

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All about priorities :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by vidcc

i don't think moore did any damage at all to kerry.

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He did loose didn’t he?

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

He did loose didn’t he?

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but not because of moore

Moore sure didn’t help that’s for sure.

There are more people that don’t like the guy than like him and to see him front in center during Kerry’s convention raised some eyebrows.