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The most senior police officer in England and Wales now thinks the law should be changed to allow you, if necessary, to kill intruders in your home. The law at present says that you can use such force as is reasonably necessary to defend yourself. Does this not mean the same thing? Surely if someone is trying to kill you the only reasonable way to defend yourself is to kill them. Or they will try it again.:ph34r: What do members think?
i think it's good of the newspapers to emphasize on the killing bit so much. just so the crooks know to come armed :dry:
I agree that it is somewhat daft if one cannot kick a burglar in the nuts and tell him to beat it. However, do we really want to turn our houses into fortresses with machine gun turrets?
The papers made much of the chap who was jailed a while back for shooting a burglar. However, the boy was running away at the time and was shot in the back. This is not defending yourself it is allowing the red mist to descend and should always be illegal.
Nevertheless, the move to make the law sane in these matters would be welcome.
A bit like the Belgrano?:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Boy, you sure don't post like a "newcomer". :D
I think much of what happens in home invasions is dependent on where you live.
An urban area is one thing; chances are the trespass will be committed by a dedicated criminal type, so the break-in and it's eventualities are actually likely to more uniformly fit the parameters of applicable law.
In a more rural area (like mine), while there are enough of the hardened criminal sort to keep you wary, the greater likelihood is that any intruder will be someone known to the inhabitant of the dwelling, and in such instances, the variety of potential outcomes widens exponentially.
I don't keep my long guns loaded, and I don't currently own a handgun, but I have some equipment left over from my days coaching baseball, and I always swung for the fences. :)
The Home Office have promised to look into this as part of their review of categories of murder.
They just don't get it, we don't want to kill these bastards; we want them to suffer for a long time. :devil:
Well...we may want to kill some of them, lynx...Quote:
Originally Posted by lynx
...but basically, I agree. ;)
Cool! :tank: :gunsmilieQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
My uncle lives in South Africa
when they're in the house or garden - they constantly wear a buzzer
if some "locals" enter their private territory they press the buzzer and the police will come.
They are constantly under threat and walk down streets paranoid
it is shall we say a little bit different in south africa
they do not have a gun
I would hope that I would never be put into situation where I would have to shoot someone but if someone were to break into my house and try to harm my family I would. I keep my 9mm handgun at my bedside at all times and I have had to pull it out on someone who came to my house in the middle of the night banging on my door. Needless to say that was a short conversation.
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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
Way to go Hank.
I am now on a half-acre of land and no one should be coming into my house unannounced. I have a huge buffer of land from the street and live out of the way, so for someone to actually come in and not belong there, they deserve to be filled with hot balls.
I plan to add cameras and perimimeter sensors around property. I will also add a high fence but it'll cost me a bundle.
Call me paranoid. :unsure:
Your Paranoid.
However, just because your paranoid doesnt mean they arent out to get you ;)
My paranoid what? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Who's they?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Usually the sound of a shotgun shell chambering will send 'em running.
I live with the world's fiercest sausage dog, we fear no criminals.
Here in the US, if someone enters your house, and starts to fight you or something, and you kill them, you get life in prison.
Busyman wants to have cameras, perimeter sensors and a high fence ... sounds like a prison already... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by orcutt989
Ive had Junkies break into my workplace on 3 occasions while iwas sleeping.
Had i had a gun i would fear to think what would have happened.:dry:
In all three cases - they left calmly
(well what do you expect when you see a naked man screaming at you):D
Were they the same junkies?Quote:
Originally Posted by 15%
You gotta shoot'em else dey won't learn nuthin'. ;)
...and I'm at the guards desk. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarossa
HEY!! I DIDN'T HIRE YOU!!!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Personally, i wouldnt want to live in a prison.. even as the Guard :blink:
Hey, same house but with more security.... you call it a prison, I call it a secure home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
I also will have a gun on each floor, in each corner of the house.
6 total.
So you don't live in a prison but a prism - a triangular prism, in fact :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by muchspl2
I figure if I don't have a gun then I'm less likely to kill someone. I have a baseball bat, somewhere, but to be fair I don't envisage using that in anger either. I live in a pretty, quiet place and my house is always locked up tightly.
I don't actually know anyone that's been burgled, let alone stabbed or killed in their own home, within the last 10 years.
I'd hate to live in a place where restricting myself to the security measures above would threaten my family's safety.
That's why right now I don't have any guns at the house. I don't have my gun locks yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Otherwise, how would my security measures restrict or threaten my family's safety?
Seeing folks when they come the driveway?
An alarm sounding if someone breaks in my house?
:blink:
I live next to woods. So is putting up a privacy fence threatening my safety? :blink:
All that stuff that you say sounds really nice and all but alas it makes no practical sense.
edit: I don't get the prism thing. :huh:
Bah. Read it again.
You're obviously enhancing your family's security by taking those measures. You know how secure/insecure your neighbourhood is better than anyone else reading this.
My point is that I would hate it if it was necessary for me to take those measures too. It simply is not needed around here. I'm not having a go at you at all, if you think that you need to go to those legnths to keep your family safe then fair enough.
The prism thing:
You said you wanted a gun in each corner, 6 in total. That would make your house a triangular prism :huh:
Gun safety is always so important. We’ve always kept guns in our house and from a young age I was taught basic safety skills and shown how dangerous they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
... or a regular octahedron... :wacko:Quote:
You said you wanted a gun in each corner, 6 in total. That would make your house a triangular prism :huh:
Thank you google!Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarossa
http://home.hetnet.nl/~turing/octahedron.jpg
Either way. Busy must have got the most kitch designers :D
Who has the maths homework? :unsure:
I am sure if pushed I could lay my hands on a sharpened mango or something. :shifty:
I sympathise with Busyman but if I lived somewhere where that much security is necessary then I think I would move.
In Scotland there is no trespass law. Signs saying "Private Keep Out" have little meaning (much to the dismay of those from other lands who come and buy large estates) I believe Al Fayed had a rant about Socialists in Scotland. He did not approve of the recent enhanced "Right to Roam" law (or the right of tenant communities to buy out landlords :rolleyes: )
blackadder talking about pre ww1 enemies the day before going over the top and calling in a favour? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Is the common duty of care still applied where one has to cover holes and tack down carpet in case a trespasser trips over and hurts themselves?Quote:
In Scotland there is no trespass law. Signs saying "Private Keep Out" have little meaning (much to the dismay of those from other lands who come and buy large estates) I believe Al Fayed had a rant about Socialists in Scotland. He did not approve of the recent enhanced "Right to Roam" law (or the right of tenant communities to buy out landlords
It is sad that here many people have guns in their homes, it is no small part because of the ease of access to guns that the idea arises that they are needed in the first place.
Chances are that any malicious intruder in the USA will have a gun, because he knows the homeowner is very likely to have one. I can't say that no burglar in countries with gun laws such as the UKs will not have a gun...but it is hugely unlikely that they will
Tbh with you all...
I actually live out in westbubblefuck or eastgablip (depending on where you are coming from).
The previous owners said they had no break-ins in 40 years.
I have 1 neighbor.
Woods are directly behind me (where the previous owner said he had hunting rights by that landowber), across the street from me and to the left of me.
I don't need the security.
However, I believe there is a first time for anything so, let's just say I was a Boy Scout.
The motto was Be Prepared.
My bad about the 2 guns on each floor, each corner.
I meant each side. :(
Busyman
:lol:
I had this image of you living in Harlem and having to superglue your wheels onto your car. My bubble is burst! :)
Vidcc
Ah! a Blackadder fan. :)
Yes, a landowner still has duty of care. It is one of those eccentric UK things.
I now live outside of Washington DC but still in the Washington Metropolitan area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
I liked the house because it was own a half acre and out of the way, but won't take long to into the city.
I plan to build on the house and would like to protect my investment as well as myself and new family which consists of a 3 year-old.
this just not true, hell in texas you can shoot someone who is breaking into your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by orcutt989
whos nameQuote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
i wouldn't put money on it but i believe it still has to be self defense, so if you came out of wal-mart and saw someone breaking into your car and pulled out your magnum.... "the most powerful handgun in the world" :rolleyes: ....and just shot the "car breaker intoer", chances are you will be charged with murder. However it being texas chances are the jury will find you not guilty, which is not the same as it being legal...Quote:
Originally Posted by muchspl2
One does tend to have a stronger self defense case if the intruder is in ones own home at the time one shoots him, therefore the chances of being charged in the first place are a lot smaller.
I don't understand, you don't have to know there name to shoot them, you could ask them I guess before you shoot them but I really wouldn't care what name they told me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Just no honour in killing someone you dont know :no: