It's time for Canada to legalize cannabis

I got this posted from Ircspys(and Torrentspy :shifty: ) favorite pothead Scienott. :cool: :smoke:

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The use of cannabis is widespread and there is intermittent talk from the government of Canada regarding "decriminalizing," but not about legalizing, it. Cannabis has much in common with both alcohol and tobacco products. Each at various times has been demonized, banned, criminalized and targeted as a health risk. We can learn from these experiences.

What can we learn from alcohol?

First, banning doesn't work. As attempts at prohibition proves, it turns this area of the economy over to criminals and gives ordinary citizens criminal records.

Second, although there are definite health hazards for some, there are also putative benefits and people for millennia have ignored any claimed risks. Accordingly, we have decided that such a large group has a right to make its own decision.

Third, the system the Liquor Control Board of Ontario uses to control alcohol distribution is effective. Alcohol is available to adults, its purity is assured, there is a minimal black market and the province gets considerable revenue.

We also know there is a downside to alcohol and assistance is given to problem drinkers. There are protections against drunk drivers, for example. Controlled distribution is an effective compromise for this product.

What can we learn from tobacco products?

All the evidence from the last 30 years indicates that tobacco is dangerous for the health of both smokers and anyone who regularly inhales second-hand smoke. Despite these risks, some will still smoke and we have decided adults have the right to make their own decisions.

Accordingly, tobacco products remain legal for adults. Tobacco products are also extremely addictive, so we put many controls on them. Smoking in public places has been restricted, tobacco products are taxed heavily to reduce the demand and promotion has been virtually eliminated in an effort to reduce the number of new smokers, especially among the young.

We are reaching an effective compromise that protects smokers, non-smokers, and minors
(Note from Arm: Ha ha ha yeah right, protect minors.

What lessons can we draw from these experiences for cannabis? Concerning health, as far back as 1972 the LeDain Royal Commission on the Non-Medical Use of Drugs reported that "the physical and mental effects of cannabis would appear to be much less serious than those which may result from excessive use of alcohol."

This statement appears true 30 years later. More recently, there are claimed health benefits, especially to some who suffer from certain illnesses. All in all, this is a situation that calls for personal choice, but with appropriate controls.

So what should be the preferred path?

First, the federal government should make the use of cannabis products legal: Decriminalization is not sufficient.

Second, a safe, regulated supply should be made available, perhaps through a CCBO or Cannabis Control Board of Ontario.

These steps would guarantee product purity, take criminals out of this area of the economy, provide tax revenues, allow police to concentrate on more serious crime and stop the harassment of ordinary citizens.

Existing R.I.D.E. programs can be used to help control irresponsible drivers, and the use of designated drivers can be adopted from our experience with alcohol.

One of the major benefits will be to reduce the availability of pot to minors. If this seems counterintuitive, just ask any teenager which is more available to them, alcohol or cannabis? Drug dealers don't ask for proof-of-age.

Cannabis use is so pervasive that its use may go almost unnoticed if it were legalized. It will have benefits all around, not the least of which will be the capture of money that now goes to criminals.

Naturally, moralists will object to this "sin" being legalized and wish to impose their beliefs on others. Surely, we can overcome this attitude in modern Canada.

The other issue is the reaction of the United States, whose absurd, counterproductive "war on drugs" is opposed to any tolerance for recreational drugs. Controlled distribution in Canada should minimize the amount of legal cannabis that goes to the U.S., as it does with alcohol. Perhaps, in time, Americans will learn from our experience and soften their attitude.

Most arguments against cannabis legalization are moralistic, whereas the arguments in favour are pragmatic and would help to protect minors, users, and society.

The time has come to legalize cannabis! :01:

do u smoke teh cannabis.

i dont think it would protect minors + i reckon a kid could get alcohol easier than weed.

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Originally Posted by TheDave

i dont think it would protect minors + i reckon a kid could get alcohol easier than weed.

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Eh it's not really going to protect minors. I'm sure of weed was legal then thered be people buying them cannabis just like the adults who buy minors cigarettes. Not to menction the home crops. ;)

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Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC

do u smoke teh cannabis.

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:ohmy: Why you got some? :blink:

Apart from the fact that Canada is phoentically wise very close to the Word Cannabis.
The only thing i can possibly contribute to this thread is that this topic has been debated probably in all ations and hence maybe you should "look into it" for answers you already know.

And England too :shifty:

Do you mean cannabis in tablet form? The government(UK) are intending to outlaw smoking(Eventually). :blink:

I think its time for all countries to legalise all Drugs.

Not only does this take them out of the hands of the underworld, its also a matter of natural selection.

If your daft enough to OD on something you know is gonna kill you... do we really need your Genes in the Pool?


Im killing myself with Tobacco... if you want to use something quicker, be my guest. ;)


In my humble opinion... :whistling

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

I think its time for all countries to legalise all Drugs.

Not only does this take them out of the hands of the underworld, its also a matter of natural selection.

If your daft enough to OD on something you know is gonna kill you... do we really need your Genes in the Pool?


Im killing myself with Tobacco... if you want to use something quicker, be my guest. ;)


In my humble opinion... :whistling

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Contentious

:)


but logical

I recall hearing the Chief of the Met saying something similar years ago. The bulk of muggings and burglaries are committed by Junkies. A great deal of the death associated with drugs is due to the high price and poor quality of the substances taken. In short much of the misery, cost of prisons, police, hospitals and medical care is taken up due to the illegality of drugs.

The danger is of course that if legalised the entire country becomes an opium den. Having said that, very few substances were illegal in the Victorian era (I think they banned Absinthe due its tendancy to cause violence) and this was not the case.

It would, however, be a brave political decision to go down this route. The criminals would most certainly vote against it. :shifty:

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

I think its time for all countries to legalise all Drugs.

Not only does this take them out of the hands of the underworld, its also a matter of natural selection.

If your daft enough to OD on something you know is gonna kill you... do we really need your Genes in the Pool?

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Finally - Someone else who believes that this is the way to go :D

What would be next?
A bit like saying lets abolish all laws then there would be no criminals.

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Originally Posted by bigboab

What would be next?
A bit like saying lets abolish all laws then there would be no criminals.

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You've taken that too far!



:lol:

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Originally Posted by bigboab

What would be next?
A bit like saying lets abolish all laws then there would be no criminals.

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Im a great believer in having Outlaws and less Criminals :shifty:

I'm not sure it's such a good idea to legalise all drugs.

Biggles mentioned that it was almost the case in Victorian society but, of course, the country's infrastructure was entirely different and disposable income wasn't a particular concern to folk. I don't think the comparison is relevant.

In contemporary society more people would take drugs, if legalised, than in the Victorian era.

This would cause a problem with the functionality of society - with a wider variety of mind altering substances available than simply alcohol, more folk would get stoned rather than do some work. The whole dynamic of our country would alter.

As has been pointed out, the plus points are easy to foresee - as is the moralistic outcry if such a topic was even debated at an official level, but the more esoteric effects that this would have on society are less tangible.

I think it would be quite detrimental.

If your going to smoke Dope, you'll smoke dope.

If your going to be a Junkie you'll be a Junkie.

Its not as if its hard to come by now, indeed the very fact that its "Illegal" is part of the attraction to those that are just trying to Rebel. They then get caught up in it and cant get out.


I dont think that usage would increase significantly from what it is now, however i think the related crime and deaths through injecting Ajax would cirtainly go down.

Just like you'd fire someone that was drunk at work, you'd fire someone that was high.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

I dont think that usage would increase significantly from what it is now, however I think the related crime and deaths through injecting Ajax would certainly go down.

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We could be doing with that kind of injection into Scottish Football. :(

I think Scottish Football is; if not beyond recovery, the definatly near the mark :(

Shame, as you have many talented players, that dont get a chance to develope.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

If your going to smoke Dope, you'll smoke dope.

If your going to be a Junkie you'll be a Junkie.

Its not as if its hard to come by now, indeed the very fact that its "Illegal" is part of the attraction to those that are just trying to Rebel. They then get caught up in it and cant get out.


I dont think that usage would increase significantly from what it is now, however i think the related crime and deaths through injecting Ajax would cirtainly go down.

Just like you'd fire someone that was drunk at work, you'd fire someone that was high.

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That's not what I mean, at all. You'll notice I mentioned work and societal dynamics regarding functionality, indicating that it wasn't really younger element that I was talking about. Drugs in the workplace would, of course, be treated like getting drunk and coming to work - that's hardly an esoteric factor. Possibly, less people would innovate in their own time, less people would volunteer for overtime, self employed folk would knock off at 5 rather than 7 - motivation for self betterment would diminish overall, and the dynamics of society would alter.

Also I think that if drugs were legal there would be more addicts, as I've indicated.

For example, I get fed up with the pub, so usually I don't go more than twice a week, but if I could go there and have a spliff, or a line of coke, or some lsd, or some drugs I have never heard of - I may well spend some more time there. The reason I don't take illegal drugs for recreation anymore is because I really don't want to risk getting a criminal record and I don't particularly like associating with drug dealer scum.

I suspect it's the same for many people who are open minded about mind altering substances but also have one eye on their social responsibilities.

A good parallel is the refusal of chemists to sell paracetamol in large quantities, it is bound to cut down on the amount of people killed by taking a large amount of paracetamol. Granted determined people can still get a lot of paracetamol but it is that much harder so most folk won't bother - it's the same with recreational drugs being illegal, except that obtaining illegal drugs is that much harder than getting another pack of tablets from the Co-Op.

Then your sensible enough to leave it alone.

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and I don't particularly like associating with drug dealer scum.

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So lets get rid of them
:P

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Originally Posted by biggles

I recall hearing the Chief of the Met saying something similar years ago. The bulk of muggings and burglaries are committed by Junkies. A great deal of the death associated with drugs is due to the high price and poor quality of the substances taken. In short much of the misery, cost of prisons, police, hospitals and medical care is taken up due to the illegality of drugs.

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the nature of the drug-user won't change. making the substance legal doesn't change it's psychological effects. a smackhead won't decide to get a job to pay for their habit, just because its legal.

Feck, its not the teh "cannabis" its Herb.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Then your sensible enough to leave it alone.



So lets get rid of them
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How, by injecting them legally?
:whistling

Cannabis should be legalized worldwide so stoners will stop boring the rest of us to death with constantly wanting it made legal. The only thing worse than some old stoner going on about legalizing cannabis is some old stoner saying, "This one time I got so stoned..."

Yawn.

Cool drugs, like cocaine, should remain illegal so as to keep their street cred.