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Does the 'big cheese' count?:unsure:
Yes, I'm implying I have a huge cawk.
didn't stop the zombie slashing her stomach openQuote:
Originally Posted by 15%
Yes.
just the small letters of
yes
makes me shudder
but on the other hand i have some seriously body altering tools which would do painfull damage if used for deletion process. and if in mad max times im sure it would be quite easy to create something worse than a gun with what is in my kitchen.
However it is 2005 and life is sweet.
Yes.
fps....that's funny Zed. :lol: :lol: :lol:
another good one.... :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDave
Spammer :spamfrown :dry: lol jk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Yes i own a Berreta Couger.
why do you own gun?
i'm thinking of getting a g10 from a new bric-a-brac shop. just for fun like
It was given to me by a family member.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15%
Yes. Several to be in fact. Here's "my" gun that my dad got me for my bday 2 months ago. We got a lot of hunting rifles, oh those stupid deer.
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how old r u lol?
No. I'm not scared of the society I live in.
No-one owns a gun around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I'm actually pretty scared of big dogs. There are a couple living just down the street from me - a lurcher and some Japanese fighting thing - but while I'll make sure the gate to my garden is locked, I won't rest a gun by the side of my chair while reading in the sunshine.
Would you.
I'd say that there is more chance of one of those dogs leaping over my fence and biting my face off than a burgular negotiating his way thro' my, or your, front door, evading the alarm and harming me or my family. Yet the notion of having a gun handy, just in case, seems ludicrous to me.
It's an ingrained mentality, I don't have it. You appear to.
I can only understand the oppressiveness by proxy but you'll excuse me for feeling slightly perturbed that altho' Busyman lives in a fairly quiet area, has a huge fence around his property, a hi-tech alarm and deadbolted doors he still feels the need to have guns in all six corners of his house (I paraphrase).
The definite difference you speak of seems rather oppressive to me.
I see no reason to re-evaluate my views, I'd hate to feel that way.
I don't need a real gun, wouldn't want to live in a country where I did.
Hmmm....Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Fence - privacy, keeps out dogs, and can let a 4 year-old play without super strict supervision.
Alarm system - you've gone to work and someone carted away all your shit, taking an hour to do it....oops they can't because of THE ALARM SYSTEM. Also anyone coming in or out at any time sends a signal.
Guns - Someone breaks in, you have nothing, they have a gun, you and your family are huddled in the bedroom waiting to die.
Mind you this is all just in case shit. I have never had my house broken into.
One day, just one day, your house might get picked.
I deal in lowering chances of shit happening and not sitting on the fence.
I also believe the world only gets worse as time goes on.
Btw I don't live in Beirut or anything. The previous owners, for example, lived here for 42 years and didn't have an alarm. I believe in protecting my family and giving them piece of mind. When I'm not there and there is basically a shield around the house, that makes them feel better.
Simple logic. :)
Dude, a gun is not a magical force-field that wards all evil away.
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Originally Posted by SnnY
If someone breaks in, and you and they both have guns, what if that's what gets them nervous enough to shoot you before you shoot them?
Or, hell, what if the kid finds it?
Or you trip and shoot yourself.
A gun might save you, but it might just as well be an accident waiting to happen.
It's not instant security inna box.
Uhh ... yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
You've demonstrated what I already have. It's a mentality, you have it, I don't.
Your first question is the most liberal one I've heard in years. He comes into my house with a gun....... :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnY
Second, two words, gun locks.
Third, you are fishing. I don't run around with guns. The only shooting I actually do is at the range.
Yeah, they come into your house, expecting it to be a simple matter of pushing you around, and they find you there with your wee gun?
Instant fooking OK corral.
Secondly, there are a lot of reasons you might forget a gun-lock.
And thirdly, what if they decide to break in while you are pished, or haven't slept, or whatever. It's easy to forget yourself.
Yep, it's called security.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I've seen enough to warrant my mentality. It's also called survival. I like my chances increased although I can't guarantee it.
I notice many on here act as if this "mentality" is a burden. It is not.
I come home turn off the alarm and go about my business. It's a button press ffs.
The same when I leave.
If I'm outside in the yard and just come in, there is a chirp.
That's about the extent of my alarm dealings.
When I go to range, my gun is the cabin of the car, ammo in the trunk.
I come home, gun lock on, put in hiding place.
Otherwise guns are no intrusion on my lifestyle. I don't carry it when walking around my backyard or anything...they stay put unless I'm going shooting.
The fence is for privacy and to stop packs dogs from roaming freely and biting the shit out of me.
Again, simple logic. :)
Busy, you're in dreamland if you think that your range shooting will instantly mean you'll pwn a burgular in a gunfight.
You have to acknowledge that the mere fact you possess a gun heightens the chances you'll get shot.
An armed burgular without being faced with a gun toting house-owner will steal your stuff and fuck off, an armed burgular with his life at risk will shoot you and still steal your stuff. Sure you may get lucky and shoot him first but maybe you're not so lucky the next time.
Who cares if your stuff is stolen provided you survive. You do have insurance, I take it.
Not logical really, you're explaining a point I've already explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I couldn't care if you think it's a burden to feel this way or not, my point is that I have absolutely no desire to be in the clutches this very different mentality.
You live in dreamland if you think people just come to steal property.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
It seems to me that folks of your ilk seize any chance to belittle minor points.
You conveniently left out the fact that by having an alarm the the chances of being burgled are severely lessened but yet hone in on the notion of a burglar shooting 'cause I showed a gun. :dry:
Me being somewhat streetwise, I wouldn't play that card unless I have to. I don't have guns just to protect my shit. I have it to protect my family so having a gun doesn't increase my chances but brandishing it willy-nilly does.
For example, in a car-jacking...take the fucking car even if I have a gun.
You folks assume...gun = smoke'em if you got 'em
Example if someone broke into my house downstairs then I would immediately huddle my family in one room, get my gun, and have my lady call the police while I train the gun on the door. Soon I'll have a key chain panic button.
I don't go investigating like teh movies. If I'm shot, what protection does that leave my family? :(
You called it oppressive yet there is no oppression.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Tbh when I read about 2 home invasions where everyone was killed, it changed my preparedness.
One in particular had 2 gentlemen breaking in a house of 7 people and all of them were killed (they weren't sleep). Very isolated incident yet I'm a just in case kinda guy and don't want to be "the isolated incident".
j2 that post is frameable. I gotta remove the quote tags. :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
You can't possibly know what kind of experience someone has with a gun, it's just as possible that someone who has a habit of carrying around their gun all the time is a better shot than someone who goes to a shooting range ever so often.Quote:
Busy, you're in dreamland if you think that your range shooting will instantly mean you'll pwn a burgular in a gunfight.
Training/practice is everything, Manker, and burglars are not renowned for their sense or marksmanship.
Cheap hoods with large testicles is the problem; dopes who hold their gun sideways, like they do in the movies.
If nothing else, range time will improve your odds, which most people would find preferable.
You have to acknowledge that the mere fact you possess a gun heightens the chances you'll get shot.
Not in the least true, unless you lack training, which is, regrettably, an altogether too frequent circumstance.
As regards things like trigger locks/child safety:
Part of proper training is strict and constant observance of what are called rules, and they govern every aspect of firearm ownership.
You learn them and live them.
Given the rules, gun ownership lessens your chances of getting shot.
An armed burgular without being faced with a gun toting house-owner will steal your stuff and fuck off, an armed burgular with his life at risk will shoot you and still steal your stuff. Sure you may get lucky and shoot him first but maybe you're not so lucky the next time.
Your home is not your castle?
Mine is-I will take this small measure to ensure that it stays that way.
I do not now, but have had, and will again, small signs for every window and door in my dwelling, which read as follows:
ENTER ILLEGALLY AT YOUR PERIL; THE OCCUPANTS OF THIS DOMICILE ARE TRAINED KILLERS, AND WELL-ARMED
If I am unlucky enough to suffer victimization by an illiterate burglar, I am confident I can out-shoot him.
If my trespasser does not speak English, I guess I'll have to get busy removing the signs while he bleeds out, and before I call the gendarmes.
Who cares if your stuff is stolen provided you survive. You do have insurance, I take it.
I care, and that is precisely the point, Manker.
It's MY stuff, not his, and I don't owe him a pass in and out of my home based on his greedy impulse.
Besides which, why should I suffer a premium-rate hike because some idiot decides he needs my stuff more than I do?
Your home is your castle, and you can do what you like, but that still doesn't mean that things will work out the way you like.
What you've stated is how you'd like things to be, not the way they are. Or at least you can't assume they are that way.
As for it not increasing your chances of getting shot, that sounds pretty hopeful too, no matter how much training you have, it doesn't negate the fact that aggressive human beings react with violence at a percieved threat.
I highly doubt someone is going to think, "oh this one looks like he has training", and somehow be so distracted by that fact that he can't pull the trigger.
And as for gun-locks, I doubt that any amount of training could absolutely remove the risk of you screwing up, human beings aren't perfect, not even you.
:lol: definately a wacky mentality. all five of us are in the same situation but only busyman and j2k4 feel the need to own a gun.
It's a deadly circle
Have a gun in case the intruder has one, the intruder is more likely to have a gun if he believes the home-owner has one.
America is different from the UK in that because of loopholes in our under enforced gun laws we sell guns to anyone (gun shows don't require background checks) so the argument of "protection" does carry some validity. The reverse is also valid. The problem is that we can't legislate against incompetence or stupidity happening.
Yes. Several at that. I have no children, nobody under the age of 31 in the house ( with the exceptions of the Danes, but their paws are much to big to pull a trigger) Most of them are collectors items, or family heirlooms. All 4 of us are equally trained. I work nights, therefore have no problem with my girlfriend and her mother having a means to protect themselves. Wal into my home, if somehow you manage to get by the dogs, I promise you won't get past Dawn :naughty:
@J2: What manner of scholarly study enables you to say with absolute certainty that your hypothetical burglar-thugs don't spend a moment ever so often taking shots at tin-cans or something. Hell, maybe they enjoy a bit of friendly competition to see who can handle their penis surrogate better.
It's the kind of thing I'd expect reckless idiots to do.
You don't have any statistics to prove how well the average burglar will shoot do you? Just out of curiosity like, can you say that [insert percentage here] of all burglars in the US only own guns for the purpose of display?
I've never heard of any such studies anywhere, scholarly or otherwise.
Take me to task? :blink: what with?
The sign is not the gun, you might as well put it up, and not get a gun.
If they've decided to break in anyway, you've only warned them.
They'll sure as hell know you are dangerous then, and will come to you expecting trouble.
Try to dismiss it as wild speculations all you like, human nature will still be human nature. Aggression is often met with aggression, and threats often met with violence.
I do know, from my own, and sadly more intimate than I'd like, observations, that some people see any percieved aggression (including that used for the purpose of self-defense) as a challenge, and others just hate backing down.
As for not screwing up, that's just silly. Anyone can screw up at the wrong moment, especially when caught with their pants down. I'd hardly expect burglars to come when it's convenient for you, hell, the way things sometimes are, they might break into your house when you are drunk out of your skull or something like it.
i disagree because we have a higher "intruder" rate than the Uk which is not a gun culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
All right.
Did you just imply that americans tend to be more daft, compared to UK residents? :blink:
who in the hell could be more daft than UKResident ???? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnY
so your point would be that a home-owner with a gun is less likely to be violated by a "thinking" intruder?... but then I may just be pissing in the wind here but don't all intruders believe they will get away with it....don't all criminals believe that?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I have said that the "home protection" view has a degree of validity in the USA because of the gun culture...something not needed in places like the UK. So I have given you your view of it being for protection.... I just don't agree it it is factually a deterrent.