Homeless people should not be able to have dogs.

Now i dont care what you guys think, or how mean this sounds but homeless people shouldnt be able to own dogs.

I was in toronto for a school trip today, and our teachers tell us to go wonder for a few hours. So im walking down queen street (by the much music building) and i see this homeless guy. So i just walk past him and i only have 5$ and thats for lunch. So we walk past him and my friends all go "awwwwww" turns out he has this poor little bull mastif pup. The things no bigger than a foot tall. At that age puppies need the propper nutrition and care, and a homeless guy cant give that. Its cold outside.

Now i know these people need a friend, but its just not fair for the puppy. But this dog should be with a family that can buy him food, clean water, toys and shelter.

Seing all thse homeless people really got to me, i tried to give everyone of them money but i ran out. I ended up giving out cupons for subway. I friggin hate toronto now. :cry:

That beggar probably takes better care than alot of "normal" people.
Some humans should be shot for what they do to dogs.
I will not elaborate on things ive seen.

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Originally Posted by TheCanuk

Now i dont care what you guys think, or how mean this sounds but homeless people shouldnt be able to own dogs.

I was in toronto for a school trip today, and our teachers tell us to go wonder for a few hours. So im walking down queen street (by the much music building) and i see this homeless guy. So i just walk past him and i only have 5$ and thats for lunch. So we walk past him and my friends all go "awwwwww" turns out he has this poor little bull mastif pup. The things no bigger than a foot tall. At that age puppies need the propper nutrition and care, and a homeless guy cant give that. Its cold outside.

Now i know these people need a friend, but its just not fair for the puppy. But this dog should be with a family that can buy him food, clean water, toys and shelter.

Seing all thse homeless people really got to me, i tried to give everyone of them money but i ran out. I ended up giving out cupons for subway. I friggin hate toronto now. :cry:

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I don't know, animals need love, and I'm sure they do get it. I wouldn't be surprised if they get treated better than the average household pet.

As far as it getting to you, this might sound a bit harsh, but when you live there, and see it every day, you become almost oblivious to it. Thick skin and all that.

Im sure they do love them, but they are not getting the physical care they need.

You gotta ask yourself what the dog would get if he wasn't with the homeless person. They normally pick up with stray dogs who don't have a home anyway, it's not like the dog's got anywhere else to go.

Here the dog would normally get picked up by the authorities and given a certain amount of time for a new owner to come get him. If this doesn't happen then the dog is normally humanely killed. There are organisations which don't do this but in the main the dog's going to be put down.

I don't reckon it would bother a dog that much being outside, a human is much less prepared for cold weather. Plus the homeless guy is with the dog 24 hours a day, presumably giving him love and attention - if not much food. Maybe it's better than the alternative.

FFS is this a wind up.

You see a homeless person and you're biggest concern is whether the dog is properly looked after.

Stop feckin' anthropomorphizing, it's a dog. It needs food, water and exercise. If it doesn't get the proper food, tough. It's unlikely that the homeless person gets a proper diet either. Loads of animals don't get a proper diet. Loads of humans die every day from starvation, or disease.

In fact, here's an idea, let him eat the dog. Good meal for him and the dog out of it's misery.

Pish like this really gets my goat.

Person > Dog.

Manchild,

I think we were replying at roughly the same time.

I may have been a tad more harsh than thou.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

Manchild,

I think we were replying at roughly the same time.

I may have been a tad more harsh than thou.

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:lol: :D

Damn, my benevolence for the day - squished.

The reason the dog is there is so that you will say 'Awe the shame' and donate money. It is just a prop. If it does not earn enough it will go the same way as a lot of greyhounds and pigeons that dont earn enough. It will be replaced with another 'cuddly' wee thing.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

FFS is this a wind up.

You see a homeless person and you're biggest concern is whether the dog is properly looked after.

Stop feckin' anthropomorphizing, it's a dog. It needs food, water and exercise. If it doesn't get the proper food, tough. It's unlikely that the homeless person gets a proper diet either. Loads of animals don't get a proper diet. Loads of humans die every day from starvation, or disease.

In fact, here's an idea, let him eat the dog. Good meal for him and the dog out of it's misery.

Pish like this really gets my goat.

Person > Dog.

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they could share your goat :ermm:


anyway, i reckon a dog has no qualms about eating food off the pavement. they probably have the same or better diet eating scraps all day than the balls and bones you get in a tin of dog food

Also, t'beggars get an extra allowance of something like £8 per week if they are responsible for a pet. I really don't understand how this allowance works, or even if it still exists, but I rather suspect it gets spent on Tennants Super instead of Winalot Beef 'n' Tripe.

If people weren't such gits, the Welfare State would be more easily defensible.

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Originally Posted by manker

If people weren't such gits, the Welfare State would be more easily defensible.

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We cant all be super intelligent. Stealing from the poor. Hold on a minute till I get my other foot back in the double sock. I was kicking the 'puter when I read your thread. :angry:

Eh what :huh:

So have you got a Big Slipper™ - I thought Billy Connelly was kidding about that :lol:

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Originally Posted by manker

Eh what :huh:

So have you got a Big Slipper™ - I thought Billy Connelly was kidding about that :lol:

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When you reach a certain age(soon for you :rolleyes: ) all these weird catalogues start coming through the letter box. The big slipper, the wrap around glasses, etc. Some of them are hilarious. My father-in-law(89), sends away for all this stuff. He tries it out, then hands it out to somebody for their Xmas present. :lol: :lol:

I don't know why but when I saw the thread I thought it was going to say Homless people shouldn't able to decorate. :blink:

I recall an old busker who had a rather beautiful white alastian. However, they clearly adored each other and the dog was almost certainly his best friend. I know some people gave him cans of dog food so I guess his dog ate ok. I think it would be a hard hearted person (or JP :whistling ) that would have taken his dog from him.

However, I have seen the drug addict attached to a dog by a piece of string syndrome and I believe Manker is right in that there used to be some kind of additional benefit attached to owning a dog. Somehow after a couple of years of Blunkett as Home Secretary I doubt if this is still the case (unless the benefit is five minutes on the wrong end of a stun gun).

free dog food. why wouldn't david blunkett go for that?

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

free dog food. why wouldn't david blunkett go for that?

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

free dog food. why wouldn't david blunkett go for that?

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:ph34r: :lol:

I think I am going to end up begging.:( I am definately going senile. I was in a shop today(XS Irvine). There was an assistant was stacking books on a table. I turned to the wife and said what is dnos? 'She said it is soup you silly bugger. You are reading the book upside down'.:lol:

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I think I am going to end up begging.:( I am definately going senile. I was in a shop today(XS Irvine). There was an assistant was stacking books on a table. I turned to the wife and said what is dnos? 'She said it is soup you silly bugger. You are reading the book upside down'.:lol:

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They normally pick up with stray dogs who don't have a home anyway

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That about sums it up. I doubt a homeless man will go to an animal shelter and pick out a pooch (or other animal), nor do I believe most people would allow him to adopt a pet from their homes.

Strays for strays.

The easy way to do it is to euthanize both of them. Carbon Monoxide seems to work will.

I remember reading a report on why the local humane society was selling euthanized dogs to be rendered and processed to make animal feed. They said it was cleaner than cremating them.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

FFS is this a wind up.

You see a homeless person and you're biggest concern is whether the dog is properly looked after.

Stop feckin' anthropomorphizing, it's a dog. It needs food, water and exercise. If it doesn't get the proper food, tough. It's unlikely that the homeless person gets a proper diet either. Loads of animals don't get a proper diet. Loads of humans die every day from starvation, or disease.

In fact, here's an idea, let him eat the dog. Good meal for him and the dog out of it's misery.

Pish like this really gets my goat.

Person > Dog.

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;)
I started reading this thread and got to JP's post and basically it could just stop right there.

Many folks on here got their priorities mixed up.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

If you think animals are the same as humans

:angry: :01: STFU!!! and GTFO!!! :01: :angry:


...and fight for something worthwile. We eat them. They provide clothing. They are used in medical research.....to help YOU. They have no rights. If someone is beating the shit out of a dog, they need to be delt with surely but otherwise go get a life. Your children's medication was probably developed through animal research first so don't get all PETA or ALF on folks.

(sorry guys I just saw the beginning of 28 Days Later again) :D

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I don't think that because there are worse things in the world that we should ignore lesser things. If the Canuk is bothered by animal welfare that is his prerogative. it doesn't mean he is untouched by the plight of the homeless person.

Most intelligent people can multitask when it comes to opinions.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Most intelligent people can multitask when it comes to opinions.

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My thoughts exactly.:)

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Most intelligent people can multitask when it comes to opinions.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by bigboab

The reason the dog is there is so that you will say 'Awe the shame' and donate money. It is just a prop. If it does not earn enough it will go the same way as a lot of greyhounds and pigeons that dont earn enough. It will be replaced with another 'cuddly' wee thing.

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That is the point, and that is why the Canuk was instinctively upset, and I agree with him.

I'm a bit unclear why this got peoples goat. It could be that this man, who cares not to provide for himself, will care to provide for his new friend because he loves dogs, but that's a little bit unrealistic.

Unrealistic given the fact that he has a fighting dog. One that probably came from a mother bred for fighters and one that will probably return to ring when it's cuteness is gone and it's presence starts to scare people. Or maybe he'll just be let "free" to fend for himself in the greater Toronto area.

One thing is for sure, a new pup will be aquired for the next begging season.

Acquiring a pet is a responsibility to provide for the life of the animal. In the US many ducks are bred to produce Easter ducklings which people buy in droves because they are cute. Average ownership time< 6 months.

The whole thing is a vicious cycle. It creates excess animals which go on to die from disease, sarvation, neglect, or euthanasia (if they are lucky). I say kick that guy in the balls.

BTW, don't give them a cent, ever. Being homeless is a lifestyle choice and you keep it a viable option by donating your money. No money? You will be amazed at their resourcefulness when push comes to shove.

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Originally Posted by Biggles

I don't know why but when I saw the thread I thought it was going to say Homless people shouldn't able to decorate. :blink:

I recall an old busker who had a rather beautiful white alastian. However, they clearly adored each other and the dog was almost certainly his best friend. I know some people gave him cans of dog food so I guess his dog ate ok. I think it would be a hard hearted person (or JP :whistling ) that would have taken his dog from him.

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I don't think the Canuk really wants laws to prevent homeless people from having pets. I think he was emotionally responding to the likely exploitation of the puppy and it's eventual harsh demise.

The animal protection enforcers look at each case and judge removal of the animal from it's owner on the merits of that case.

There was a guy who had 6 dogs and who lived in a van. The van was for shit but the dogs were in perfect health. He had mutts, not a breeds. He also did not beg.

Other cases show that people in nice houses were neglecting their pets. One poor dog was immobilized because if extensive knotting of the hair, which they couldn't be bothered to get cut away. That dog was removed from the home.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I don't think that because there are worse things in the world that we should ignore lesser things. If the Canuk is bothered by animal welfare that is his prerogative. it doesn't mean he is untouched by the plight of the homeless person.

Most intelligent people can multitask when it comes to opinions.

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Most people don't though.

No one said ignore lesser issues but when someone brings up something that I more or less consider bullshit in the scheme of things then I am going to let loose my opinion. Whether or not a homeless person has a pet isn't even a blip on the radar to me.

Most people fighting for animal rights are fighting for the one's that are "cute" and they are full of shit.

People from PETA concentrate so much effort into animal rights that they loose sight of what is important in the scheme of things.

I have no wish for animals to be mistreated. However, many animals that don't get adopted get put to sleep.

A homeless person with a furry friend isn't that much of issue. Most of the homeless that I see on the street don't want to work, are on drugs, and/or are mentally unstable.

A bigger issue for me is unemployment of those that want to work and/or are struggling to feed their kids. I say leave the homeless fella be with his pet and if it's an issue for a passerby, STFU. take the pet from him/her and adopt it themselves. :dry:

I think we are only a couple of posts away from putting the homeless to sleep.:(

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Originally Posted by bigboab

I think we are only a couple of posts away from putting the homeless to sleep.:(

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Apparently for some, as long as the dog is safe, all's well. :dry:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Apparently for some, as long as the dog is safe, all's well. :dry:

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They should just give it some dog biscuits.:)

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Apparently for some, as long as the dog is safe, all's well. :dry:

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Obviously the post is not about putting the welfare of the dog above a human.

The point, if anyone can comprehend it, is about humans, who will ultimately betray the trust and well being of the dog, as it no longer brings in the cash, doing so with no regard for the dog and perpetuating a vicious cycle of over population.

The cute puppy can either be tossed in the trash or used to earn money in the illegal world of dog fights.

The initial poster is just a kid, his post was a classic way to draw the opposite opinion, but his instinctive response that this situation is not a healthy one is correct.

People who chose to be homeless, do just that.

People who electively adopt an animal should be required to take care of for it's life and not exploit it for it's money grabbing capability because of youthful cuteness.

This is not about man>animal, this is about elective animal abuse.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Obviously the post is not about putting the welfare of the dog above a human.

The point, if anyone can comprehend it, is about humans, who will ultimately betray the trust and well being of the dog, as it no longer brings in the cash, doing so with no regard for the dog and perpetuating a vicious cycle of over population.

The cute puppy can either be tossed in the trash or used to earn money in the illegal world of dog fights.

The initial poster is just a kid, his post was a classic way to draw the opposite opinion, but his instinctive response that this situation is not a healthy one is correct.

People who chose to be homeless, do just that.

People who electively adopt an animal should be required to take care of for it's life and not exploit it for it's money grabbing capability because of youthful cuteness.

This is not about man>animal, this is about elective animal abuse.

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The initial post was about homeless people owning animals and not possibly taking care of them, nothing more.

You brought up exploitation. Dogs need attention and food. I've seen homeless give them food out of the trash.

I will not say a homeless person can't have a dog. Leave them be and don't give them money if you so chose not to.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

The initial post was about homeless people owning animals and not possibly taking care of them, nothing more.

You brought up exploitation. Dogs need attention and food. I've seen homeless give them food out of the trash.

I will not say a homeless person can't have a dog. Leave them be and don't give them money if you so chose not to.

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So you haven't read a word I've said.

Fantastic!

Read all the posts, read between the words to the meaning.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

So you haven't read a word I've said.

Fantastic!

Read all the posts, read between the words to the meaning.

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Of course I read.

The poster's main focus was the welfare of the dog.

I read your stuff about dog fights and exploitation which was not what Canuk was talking about.

All homeless people that have pet are not necessarily exploiting them so I disagree with Canuk's thread title.

Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Of course I read.

The poster's main focus was the welfare of the dog.

I read your stuff about dog fights and exploitation which was not what Canuk was talking about.

All homeless people that have are not necessarily exploiting them so I disagree with Canuk's thread title.

Pretty simple.

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No, most homeless people do exactly that.

It is completely logical.

Phase 1: cuteness
Phase 2: money from fights (you did note that is was a fighting dog, right)



How is this not so completely obvious,

it is not like we are talking about a mutt.

You think that this man will have this dog 5 years from now, are you that clueless?

You are a victim of missing the meaning of his words, as I clearly pointed out.

You'd be surprised at how well some of them are looked after. Saw a documentary on TV a while ago where one homeless guy would buy his dog food before making sure he could feed himself.

And Manker's got a point as well. Most of them were strays beforehand so they're getting cared for to a fashion as well as dog and man providing companionship for each other.

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Originally Posted by Rick Phlegm

You'd be surprised at how well some of them are looked after. Saw a documentary on TV a while ago where one homeless guy would buy his dog food before making sure he could feed himself.

And Manker's got a point as well. Most of them were strays beforehand so they're getting cared for to a fashion as well as dog and man providing companionship for each other.

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Also known as: letting the exception represent the norm. I mean, I completely explained this, Do you peole actually read anything other than what you post. fuck