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Things like this really just annoy people.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t97253.html

That is all I wish to say on the matter. It is clear, concise and comprehensive. As any good report should be.

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At the very least if you're going to delete someone's post then you should PM them to let them know what you're doing.

This then immediatley means you are engaging that person via the PM system if they have any complaints so you won't have to hide behind some rule for your ruling. You will actually have to explain yourself. Also they (the "off-topic" poster) will be less inclined to start a thread about it. Just makes sense to me, if you don't want people "questioning admin/mod actions in public" then fecking engage them in debate before they do.

Also, if their off-topic conduct becomes a problem then you will have given them ample chance by warning them via this system.

And stop deleting Withcheese's posts on the sly, I hear he's getting fed up of it.

See. That's all I want, well that and some fecking CONSISTENCY.

There is NO need to PM someone who has been a member here for a long time when his or her post is removed from the 'Everything related to this board' section. You know off-topic posting isnt allowed.


http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t82911.html

Yes well done on pasting in that link , but mine wasn't the only post that bordered on off-topic in that thread at the time whoever went on a deletion-spree managed to piss me off.

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

I still don't even know who did it, though Im guessing it was you.

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Originally Posted by {I}{K}{E}

There is NO need to PM someone who has been a member here for a long time when his or her post is removed from the 'Everything related to this board' section.

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Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

How hard is it to PM someone btw? You could even have a copy & paste thing for it ("Dear Forum Member, I have deleted your post because I think it's off-topic. If you have any questions please PM me").

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Originally Posted by SnnY

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

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thats not true.

Do I need to post a screenshot to show your wrong? :dry:

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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

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Rule. 13

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

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Originally Posted by {I}{K}{E}

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Originally Posted by SnnY

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

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thats not true.

Do I need to post a screenshot to show your wrong? :dry:

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I don't think that is neccessary. Just PM people in future.

In fact I have a better idea, just post it in the thread:

"Sorry guys I've deleted a few posts that were off-topic, please try to stay on-topic. If you have an issue with this then please PM me."

You can copy and paste that if you want. :D

It covers you for that rule you keep posting as well.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

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Your post was removed first yes, then right after that I removed 4 more.

I recently started a thread which was quite obviously proper to "Everything related to this board."

There was nothing in my post which broke any forum rule, in my opinion. It related to how the board operated.

It appears to have been deleted. I am at a loss to understand why. Having said that, I have had my whole history on this forum deleted, so this is small potatoes.

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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

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Rule. 13

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So really, you should agree with my idea that I posted in my previous post. You should at least let people know in the thread that you have deleted stuff so they know which mod to contact if they disagree. Straight away the onus is on them to contact the moderator via PM to question the decision.

If you just delete and say nothing you're really just asking for unpleasant public posts.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

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Your post was removed first yes, then right after that I removed 4 more.

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Two more of them mine, complaining about what you did, yeah.

And like I said, that was after I started complaining.



Just tell people you did it, when you do it, this isn't the first time you've deleted posts of mine without telling anyone, I had two other mods looking for my posts another time, after you'd gone and been helpful.

And if you are going to delete ot stuff, then you'd better start deleting every silly little thing in order to be fair.

As it is you haven't deleted everything, and nor should you.

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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

So really, you should agree with my idea that I posted in my previous post. You should at least let people know in the thread that you have deleted stuff so they know which mod to contact if they disagree. Straight away the onus is on them to contact the moderator via PM to question the decision.

If you just delete and say nothing you're really asking for unpleasant public posts.

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I did post that kind of replies and I did send PM like that in the past but it didnt seem to stop the off-topic posting. The last couple of weeks i've been removing 100's off-topic posts al over the forum.
I sometimes still send such PM to people who's post have never been removed. But to keep sending everyone everytime a PM that would take to much time. if people just follow the rules it would be easier for everyone


I will use your "Sorry guys I've deleted a few posts that were off-topic, please try to stay on-topic. If you have an issue with this then please PM me." line next time ;)

I will ask Ross if it's possible to create or add a script that auto sends a PM when someones post is removed.

People who've been around on the forum for a while surely deserve as much respect as new recruits to the forum. Politeness doesn't cost anything and a PM (even a copy/pasted PM) is surely required, at the very least, if someone takes it upon themselves to censor someone else.

All the rubbish about not having time to PM is just that. If you've time to delete a post, you've time to PM the person too. Otherwise it's lazy and plain rude.

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I will ask Ross if it's possible to create or add a script that auto sends a PM when someones post is removed.

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:dry:

Kinda like the unsmiling McDonalds worker saying 'have a nice day' when really he couldn't give a shit. How hard is it to send a PM. It may make mods - who contrary to popular belief are not infallible - think about the validity of the deletion.

there should be just one rule: question a mod = bannage.


no more one-offs because you didn't know or pushing the rules. in fact make it a rule to ban one person every week, even if the worst they did was type "sry" instead of "sorry" when you moderate them for having an 8 letter name.

the fear of god never did anyone any harm.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...ht=pm+deletion
Who thinks that would be a good idea?

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Originally Posted by rossco

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...ht=pm+deletion
Who thinks that would be a good idea?

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I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)

Actually, it doesn't tell you the mod who deleted your post. So it's pretty pointless.

I can see both sides of this issue.

The members want to have moderators held accoutable for their actions.

The moderators are fed up with members posting off topic.

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Originally Posted by manker

I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)

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Speaking of lazy modding... The moderators do a lot for this board and should be given appreciation for what they do. Not be told "they're lazy".

Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.

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Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.

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I hear you in some respect VB, but it seems it's the "service" that some people don't like.

I've had my posts deleted by mods (no need for names) in pointless lounge threads due to being "off topic". How absurd is that? In the lounge. The original post was off-topic ffs. There is one mod on this forum that goes delete crazy from time to time. I think that's what a lot of member are a little bent out of shape about.

If you wanna know how many posts you've had deleted, follow the following formula. I bet you'll be surprised, I've had 47 deleted.

Search for your name first.

Total Posts + Lounge posts = X

Click 'Find all posts by ______'. That number = Y

Y - X = Total deleted posts.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

Search for your name first.

Total Posts + Lounge posts = X

Click 'Find all posts by ______'. That number = Y

Y - X = Total deleted posts.

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thats not how it works...

the once that doesnt show up were deleted / got corrupted when we switched from IPB to vB and were not removed by mods/admins.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I've had my posts deleted by mods (no need for names) in pointless lounge threads due to being "off topic". How absurd is that? In the lounge.

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We dont remove posts from threads in the lounge unless they are not within the boardrules or someone reported the post. :huh:

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thats not how it works...

the once that doesnt show up were deleted / got corrupted when we switched from IPB to vB and were not removed by mods/admins.

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The name skizo was created after the switch. ;)

I can also see both sides of the story, members want to be able to speak there minds in this section about what they want done to their forum (Without the members this forum is nothing) but Moderators want to keep things in line, which is okay as well.

I think its just when members/moderators go to one extreame then thats when something should be done.

Members posting:

LOLZZZ

HAZ HAZA HA HA

or just a smilie is stupid spam that no one cares about.

Yet a thoughtfully written post detailing a members thoughts on an issue should be kept in my opinion as long as it doesn't break any other rule (Posting porn or flameing)

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Originally Posted by manker

I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)

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Speaking of lazy modding... The moderators do a lot for this board and should be given appreciation for what they do. Not be told "they're lazy".

Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.

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I take it that your little rhetoric soliloquy (:happy:) isn't aimed at me in particular since I often give praise when a mod does something well, the flip side is that sometimes I'll also say what I think when something is done poorly. Which isn't something to get chastised about.

I presume that's fine with everyone.

The point here is that members will be less upset when their posts gets deleted if a mod displays some courtesy, not to do so is lazy modding and detrimental to the board, plain and simple.

Mods can just as easily un-volunteer if the task is too arduous. I'm working here with the supposition that a mod who has the time and capabilities to do the job properly is better than a mod who can't be arsed and upsets people all of the time. Can't see anything to disagree with there, either.

The voluntary (non) issue is something that comes up way too often, if a mod isn't up to the job, then he or she should simply stop doing it ... eh, VB.

I like the "This post deleted by ...." option. It provides members with a name to then contact if they have an issue with the decision.

If you are willing to delete a chaps post, then surely you should be willing to do it in public, n'est ce pas.

In any civilized society a chap is entitled to face his accuser.

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Sometimes we don't agree on what's off-topic and what isn't, though.


Like peerzy said, sure, delete the "OMG ROFL..."-posts, but if a post isn't doing any harm where it is, and if it's posted as a reply on the same theme as the post before it, then why delete it.

And when a whole bunch of mods have read a topic, then why start deleting posts in it days after that?


Delete away if the posts are crap, but don't go deleting just 'cos you think that a post might not have anything to do with the discussion the way you read it.

Having said that, I doubt we'd be having this discussion if I'd known who did it to me, 'cos then I might have sent off a pm instead (and my initial post wasn't really that important, I was just agreeing with someone else, but nor was it more off-topic than that person's post). But then again, if someone is going to start punishing me in public, on dubious grounds at that, then it feels unfair to make me go look for them behind the scenes, like, for an explanation.

Besides, the mods have the upper hand, since we can do fuck all except complain, and if that's done in private, who'll know it even happened, even if we are right?

Besides, have I behaved so badly in the past I don't deserve to have a say?


Signing off your work is a good thing, though, so do that.

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I like the "This post deleted by ...." option.

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Why?

The deletion of posts is the annoying part. I don't think a post should be deleted unless it's highly offensive, gross, kiddy porn, or condemning other members. I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.

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and I send you a PM bout that.

why didnt you ask if he could explain his question a bit more instead of only replying wity 'what' ?

The question he posted was really simple.

why not make an auto responder for mods

your thread XXX has been moved too XXX due to XXXX
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your thread XXX has been deleted because Rule 13 rawks etc

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed
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yeah, if you wanna take down Snny you'll have to take me down too! :01:

For what it's worth, I thought it could stay in there, same as mine.

This is all a bit silly really. There seems to be some people who really try their hardest to see how far they can go. for those who want warnings, its posted in a sticky in this section, and many others:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t82911.html

As far as which person to pm, I'm sure it doesn't matter. Most of us are willing to answer any PM sent, and if the post/topic is wrongfully deleted, most times we can make it magically appear :) Its been done before.

Rob, I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly didn't post anything just to try and see how far I could go in the thread in question.

If someone has, willfully, been doing that, and you are sure of it, then that's another thing entirely.

And as for pm:ing anybody, I tried that twice in the past when threads of mine went missing, and the mods I asked to find out came back, only being able to tell me that it was probably <insert whoever (possibly) did it>, that felt like a fairly pointless exercise.


Hell, the only time I was ever on moderation no one told me who put me on it, (Although I have a fairly good idea of who and why, 'cos I'd been a bad boy :D)

I don't see whatthe problem is with pm'ing people when you remove a post of thiers. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :dry:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Rob, I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly didn't post anything just to try and see how far I could go in the thread in question.

If someone has, willfully, been doing that, and you are sure of it, then that's another thing entirely.

And as for pm:ing anybody, I tried that twice in the past when threads of mine went missing, and the mods I asked to find out came back, only being able to tell me that it was probably <insert whoever (possibly) did it>, that felt like a fairly pointless exercise.


Hell, the only time I was ever on moderation no one told me who put me on it, (Although I have a fairly good idea of who and why, 'cos I'd been a bad boy :D)

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I assure you I'm not accusing you of doing it willfully, but its been a trend lately, and needs to stop. There has been a focus on the games section lately, even resulting in moderation periods for some, buts its becoming a trend all over the board. Please, we are accountable for our actions with the rest of the team. When there is a serious problem with any action taken, it does come up. The Mod/Admin team are not robots. we all do the best we can and make decisions as best we can. We were all asked to do this job based on who we were, and our ability to do it. It doesn't mean we all agree all the time, but are able to work things out amongst each other. Attacking individual team members needs to come to an end also. I cannot think of many boards that would allow even a topic such as this to begin with. I see people want pm's when their topic/posts are deleted, but how many of thosw who want it actually send Pm's to the team before starting topics such as these ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DanB

I don't see whatthe problem is with pm'ing people when you remove a post of thiers. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :dry:

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And I don't see what the problem is pm'ing the Team with problems. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :rolleyes:

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I like the "This post deleted by ...." option.

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Why?

The deletion of posts is the annoying part. I don't think a post should be deleted unless it's highly offensive, gross, kiddy porn, or condemning other members. I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.

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For the reasons I went on to outline.

I thought the conjunction was self-evident.

I still say "deleted by ...." is the simplest option.

Unless chaps wish to disassociate themselves from their censorship. Which would make them a poltroon, one would have thought.