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I'm for a bookworld. :)
btw Bender what is the difference between
No Keep As Is & Enough Worlds Already ? :huh:
Doesnt this mean the same?
I'm for Another World.
I don't think there'll be enough activity to justify a BookWorld.
But there is enough interest for it to be as a chapter ( :P ) in Another World.
There is no logic in having book hashes in software verifieds.
Another World could be useful as a home for other small interests.
i really think a book world is a good idea, i have more books than music or films etc (ok they are the paper kind but i can still talk about them :P )
I voted for Another World whether it be a Book World or Food World. :lol:
A BookWorld
We can share all of our e-books. Such as books to learn programming languages etc.
Besides, I have Adobe E-Book Reader sitting on CD, wasting away ...
I went for bookworld purely because KL has a document search section and there isn't anything on the forum to represent that.
My preference would be: Ebook/Book/Audiobook/Comics World.
It would be a nice place to discuss these subjects and to post verifieds, and a great opportunity to show people there's more than porn on Kazaa Lite. :P
At the members who vote for "Another World": What would that include?
First I thought about an Internetworld, but that would become very messy, as we need to post URL adresses all over the forum.
Foodworld and Beerworld sound nice, but we have the Lounge for that. :D
I think a new world should be p2p/Kazaa Lite related.
I agree with the borg.Quote:
Originally posted by Blender@20 April 2003 - 17:50
My preference would be: Ebook/Book/Audiobook/Comics World.
It would be a nice place to discuss these subjects and to post verifieds, and a great opportunity to show people there's more than porn on Kazaa Lite. :P
At the members who vote for "Another World": What would that include?
First I thought about an Internetworld, but that would become very messy, as we need to post URL adresses all over the forum.
Foodworld and Beerworld sound nice, but we have the Lounge for that. :D
I think a new world should be p2p/Kazaa Lite related.
However I cannot see that as justifying a whole world. I just amn't sure there would be enough traffic.
How long is the poll going to last locutus, I'd like to read some of the discussion before casting old vote.
Though it's definitely Bookworld (as you described it) or Stuffworld.
Anotherworld could include as you said above:
Ebook/Book/Audiobook/Comics/Manga World
It could also include Sports. One could post hashes to all-star games, regular games, special events and whatnot. There could even be "debates" on which team is better.
I dunno... I'm out of ideas :lol:
Bookworld is in the lead. :)
I'm going to vote for another world,anything thats p2p related that the other worlds dont cover.
Bookworld would be a good idea but don't know whether it would have that many visitors or posters.
How about another world BUT with a big sub section for books....sort of like in the lounge and filesharing that we have here already.
Hardly surprising with all these people who have more than one log in name to vote with. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by The Wise Man@20 April 2003 - 18:35
Bookworld is in the lead. :)
Hardly surprising with all these people who have more than one log in name to vote with. ;) [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by N£MO+20 April 2003 - 18:58--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (N£MO @ 20 April 2003 - 18:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The Wise Man@20 April 2003 - 18:35
Bookworld is in the lead. :)
Oh yeah, I'm voting with a dead name. :lol: Seriously, I haven't thought of that, but I won't.
:) I voted for bookworld because somebody said there could be discussions that have to do with comics.Use to love Comics when I was younger and still enjoy a good book every now and then. :)
Yeah, I'm all for posting comicbook scans. The Artist Formerly Known As Funky Capricorn has graced us again! Personally, if there is a bookworld, it should be open to any kind of print media.
I'd rather have a forum where we can post our Supernodes instead. This sure would get the files spread around faster. ;) ;)
Well, I think most people (or at least the ones that are interested) have seen my semi-essay about why we need a Bookworld. If not, and you want to, check here. ;)
Other people have asked if audiobooks would be "accepted" in Bookworld. Yes. Of course. I've had a few from time to time myself, although a most unfortunate computer-generated voice forced me to get rid of them. I remember someone saying that books are for reading, not listening to. However, the reason that audiobooks came about was as an alternative for the blind to enjoy books. Translating works into braille is costly and time-consuming. Of course, audiobooks caught on and eventually more people used them. There's also the different-yet-similar matter of radio-plays, which are very enjoyable. Perhaps they could be called the first audiobooks.
Now I see people saying about comics. I know a lot of people have them. I don't. But what I have or don't have shouldn't be the be all and end all. ;) I've really never been interested in comics, after X-Men started deteriorating. But, most certainly, comics would have a place in Bookworld too. They are "comic books" after all.
The one thing that I believe doesn't have a place in Bookworld is pornography. I don't care if anyone disagrees with me (and I'm sure a lot of you will), but there it is. First and foremost, pornography isn't difficult to find. On Kazaa, you can stumble across it by accident. On the internet, you can stumble across it by accident. I can think of a number of searches that brought up pornography on Google, at least. The most "interesting" one of these would be my search for "network systems admin" and landed me on a Russian male mail-order bride page. Maybe one of them was a network admin, I don't know. ;)
Anyhow, I'm sure it was no suprise to anyone what I just said. ;) I've been saying it for a while now.
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Can you send me a link to that page? B) :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@20 April 2003 - 17:56
The most "interesting" one of these would be my search for "network systems admin" and landed me on a Russian male mail-order bride page.
:lol: I wasn't in the market for a male Russian mail-order bride. You could try the search, see if it comes up. It was the third link down on Google when I did it. This would've been about two years ago, though.
I was scarred for life. :ph34r:
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In direct response to MN's last post, particularly with regard to audiobooks / radio.
Most people read Shakespeare's plays. However they were written as plays, i.e to be watched and experienced. They were not intended to be read. As such I would argue that to watch the movie of Richard III with Olivier is truer to the original experience than to read the book.
To each his own.
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums chang'd to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visag'd war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front,
And now, instead of mounting barbed steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I-that am not shap'd for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass-
I-that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph-
I-that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deform'd, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them-
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity.
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels, and dreams,
To set my brother Clarence and the King
In deadly hate the one against the other;
And if King Edward be as true and just
As I am subtle, false, and treacherous,
This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up-
About a prophecy which says that G
Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
Dive, thoughts, down to my soul. Here Clarence comes.
Historically Richard was not deformed. However it was written that way because Shakespeare had no option. The winner writes the history.
Point is, as long as people enjoy the work, then let's just agree that's a good thing. Whatever the medium.
I think Smelly cat hit the nail on his head with this.Quote:
Originally posted by smellycat@20 April 2003 - 14:59
I'm for Another World.
I don't think there'll be enough activity to justify a BookWorld.
But there is enough interest for it to be as a chapter ( :P ) in Another World.
There is no logic in having book hashes in software verifieds.
Another World could be useful as a home for other small interests.
I doubt bookworld has enough body to fill a complete world....
So if there is a need for bookworld i think we need to have a combine of things.. ;)
im all up for comicbook world
we can compile a book of comics from the main iste
that would be good
:lol: I voted for other as in FOOD WORLD! :P
I think Smelly cat hit the nail on his head with this.Quote:
Originally posted by jetje+20 April 2003 - 16:29--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetje @ 20 April 2003 - 16:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--smellycat@20 April 2003 - 14:59
I'm for Another World.
I don't think there'll be enough activity to justify a BookWorld.
But there is enough interest for it to be as a chapter ( :P ) in Another World.
There is no logic in having book hashes in software verifieds.
Another World could be useful as a home for other small interests.
I doubt bookworld has enough body to fill a complete world....
So if there is a need for bookworld i think we need to have a combine of things.. ;) [/b][/quote]
I like that Idea... then we could have the best of both worlds! :P Food and books! or snacks and comicks! :P :lol:
@ JmiF: Indeed. I was meaning more the recent trend of copying bestsellers over into audiobook form. I prefer Branagh's rendition of Richard III over Oliver's. But that's really here nor there. ;)
@jetje: I disagree. There is a lot of subsections for literature. I mean, so far we've already got the traditional books, comic books, and audio books. Some people have copious amounts of one format or another. Personally, I've got about 4 gigs worth of books. And they're the most popular of my uploads, only second to The Sims Unleashed. Go figure. ;)
@ Got_memory: The Foodworld bit's getting old. ;)
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You prefer Branagh to Olivier. I am stunned.Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@21 April 2003 - 01:42
@ JmiF: Indeed. I was meaning more the recent trend of copying bestsellers over into audiobook form. I prefer Branagh's rendition of Richard III over Oliver's. But that's really here nor there. ;)
@jetje: I disagree. There is a lot of subsections for literature. I mean, so far we've already got the traditional books, comic books, and audio books. Some people have copious amounts of one format or another. Personally, I've got about 4 gigs worth of books. And they're the most popular of my uploads, only second to The Sims Unleashed. Go figure. ;)
@ Got_memory: The Foodworld bit's getting old. ;)
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Either way, the point is well made.
It is a play. Not a novel.
Wee! 60% of people are in agreement for a Bookworld. :D :D
I wonder what our first discussion should be. ;)
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Give the man his bookworld already jeez!
YES for BOOKworld :)
IMO you cannot have a bookworld without porn in it,it would be sort of like a sandwich without a filling..... :o
What about the kama sutra?? :huh: ...you gonna tell me that aint a book as MN stated that bookworld shouldn't have any porn.
I think that 'another world' is the best choice (after many sleepless nights ;) :lol: ).
What about the Kama Sutra? It is a book, yes. It has quite a history behind it, but that is not relevant to this discussion.Quote:
Originally posted by N£MO@22 April 2003 - 00:12
IMO you cannot have a bookworld without porn in it,it would be sort of like a sandwich without a filling..... :o
What about the kama sutra?? :huh: ...you gonna tell me that aint a book as MN stated that bookworld shouldn't have any porn.
You can have a Bookworld without porn in it. The vast majority of books are not pornographic. We have Musicworld without porn, we have Softwareworld without porn, we have Gameworld without porn, hell, even Movieworld is mostly free of porn. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
It's not difficult to find porn on Kazaa. It's not difficult to find porn on the web. How about we show people who come here just for the verifieds that there's a lot more to Kazaa than porn?
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What about the Kama Sutra? It is a book, yes. It has quite a history behind it, but that is not relevant to this discussion.Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor+22 April 2003 - 00:55--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MagicNakor @ 22 April 2003 - 00:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--N£MO@22 April 2003 - 00:12
IMO you cannot have a bookworld without porn in it,it would be sort of like a sandwich without a filling..... :o
What about the kama sutra?? :huh: ...you gonna tell me that aint a book as MN stated that bookworld shouldn't have any porn.
You can have a Bookworld without porn in it. The vast majority of books are not pornographic. We have Musicworld without porn, we have Softwareworld without porn, we have Gameworld without porn, hell, even Movieworld is mostly free of porn. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
It's not difficult to find porn on Kazaa. It's not difficult to find porn on the web. How about we show people who come here just for the verifieds that there's a lot more to Kazaa than porn?
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Excuse me is this not the topic about bookworld :o ..so how is what i said not relevent?? :rolleyes:
Think you need to climb down off your high horse there MN,you might have spammed us senseless about bookworld BUT you can't tell me that entitles you to say what goes in there :huh: ...it's just not upto you.
Might not see much porn in the other worlds but thats not relevent to this discussion now is it :P ...we don't get told that porn is not allowed,like you want to do.
You are right porn is not hard to find on k-lite but nor are books and i just cant see that many people actually posting verifieds for books apart from a hardcore few.
Whatever happened to FREEDOM to choose what we read and talk about?What gives you the devine right to say what goes where?
I still say another world is needed as you will get people wanting a picture world too(which is a good idea as pics are freely available on k-lite too)...avatar and sig world would be very popular so anotherworld can include these. :)
Your sig (snake lady) backs up your point. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Enough worlds already!
make a merger. hardware and book discussion :P
or get rid of 'connection problems' and put in a bookworld. but not to many more forums.. <_<
Try reading what I wrote. I said that the history behind the Kama Sutra wasn't relevant to the discussion. I wasn't aware I had to spell everything out.Quote:
Originally posted by N£MO@22 April 2003 - 01:20
Excuse me is this not the topic about bookworld :o ..so how is what i said not relevent?? :rolleyes:
Think you need to climb down off your high horse there MN,you might have spammed us senseless about bookworld BUT you can't tell me that entitles you to say what goes in there :huh: ...it's just not upto you.
Might not see much porn in the other worlds but thats not relevent to this discussion now is it :P ...we don't get told that porn is not allowed,like you want to do.
You are right porn is not hard to find on k-lite but nor are books and i just cant see that many people actually posting verifieds for books apart from a hardcore few.
Whatever happened to FREEDOM to choose what we read and talk about?What gives you the devine right to say what goes where?
I still say another world is needed as you will get people wanting a picture world too(which is a good idea as pics are freely available on k-lite too)...avatar and sig world would be very popular so anotherworld can include these. :)
Again, try reading what I wrote. I've stated a number of times why pornography shouldn't be in Bookworld. I've stated a number of times why pornography shouldn't be on this forum.
Actually, we have been told pornography isn't allowed. Bender edited a few posts with pornographic content not terribly long ago. The fact that this board is rather self-regulating is nice. People seem to forget that minors often visit this board, and while I have no misconceptions about the fact that they'll find porn if they want to, it doesn't necessarily mean we have to condone it. And the lack of pornography in the other worlds is terribly relevant.
Have you actually tried to find a specific book on the Fasttrack network? It isn't nearly as easy as you seem to think. Sure, books like Harry Potter are easy to find. But what about one like Burnt Bones? Almost impossible.
I have no divine rights. I may be descendant from British nobility, but we've stopped using the Divine Right long ago. ;) This board hasn't really truly been free to talk about whatever one wishes. It's not the fault of the admin, or the mods, but rather the fault of the other board members. It's rather difficult to take an opposing viewpoint on an issue when all you recieve is: "u sux!" and a litany of poorly thought-out flames. ;) This isn't actually directed at you, Nemo, it's just a general observation that fit into that tangent. ;)
Now, I've already addressed the "Pictureworld" in another post of mine..
Then there's a bit about the exchange of ideas.Quote:
The only thing that isn't represented there is "images." But I don't think people would be interested in my collection of Pre-Raphaelite artwork.
If you want porn, you don't need to look too far. Why even bother putting up verified "images," because most of what the faked files are renamed to is porn, and a large selection of the celebrated "celebrity images" are fake, anyway.
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Mr MN,i hear what your saying and im not the biggest fan of pornography,even if my sig leads you to believe otherwise.
We get told alot of things are not allowed here only to find someone pushes the limits set,hell even the admins break the rules so how can they expect anyone else to listen to rules with them setting an example the way they do sometimes.
Back on topic...if what your saying is correct and some books are very hard to find on the fasttrack network then would it not be better to use ftp's to spread your books initially as you see the problems we have already here with hash's and finding more sources.
I was merely making my point and standing up for freedom to choose what i read or discuss in our forum.They are already trying to take our right to speak our minds with all that swearing icon stuff(i dont feel the need to swear that much as shows poor vocabualry)but doesn't stop my speaking my mind.That is my right, freedom of speech,even on a forum.
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The only thing that isn't represented there is "images." But I don't think people would be interested in my collection of Pre-Raphaelite artwork.
If you want porn, you don't need to look too far. Why even bother putting up verified "images," because most of what the faked files are renamed to is porn, and a large selection of the celebrated "celebrity images" are fake, anyway.
Again you jump on the anti porn bandwaggon....im talking about gif's and avatars with pics NOT porn.I mention pics in a world and you quote some porn reference...
Any way thanks for listening and try not too read too much between the lines in what i have said.Thanks :)
I didn't say anything about your sig, that was zapjb. ;) I've certainly seen worse sigs on this board.
Well, for the spreading of books, I can't say for most people, but like I said, mine are found (somehow) without any advertising. Most of mine I've brought over from other networks, since I don't have a scanner myself. I've found that there are people on the network that don't put proper keywords on things, but they have the same file as someone else. All in all, it depends what you're looking for, just like everything else. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is probably easier to find than Bullfinch's Mythology. Braveheart is easier to find than Jude, The Sims is easier to find than Gabriel Knight II, etc. ;)
The little :swear: guy isn't any actual word anymore. Just : swear : I once had a discussion with someone else about freedom of speech and how it related to forums. Basically it boiled down to that the forum's privately owned, so freedom of speech is a moot point. It's a benevolent dictatorship, not a democracy. It's not so much an issue here; the mods and admin aren't nearly as heavy-handed as they were there.
People equate images with pornography. It's become an euphemism, sadly enough. People talk about how it's best to have a collection of "images" to keep a good PL (or they did, before the constant 1000 PL). People look for celebrity "images." So that was a generalization on my part.
No problem. :)
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I am for the Bookworld, but do not feel it should be without porn. We have never been told(that I am aware of) that porn is not allowed. Just that pornographic pics and links to directly pornographic sites are not allowed in our posts.
Having hashes for these things is allowed but having a pic of porn is frowned upon and in certain instances banned.
But I think the Bookworld or Otherworld should have subsections in it for general categories. If you don't want to see hashes for pics or porn magazines or whatever you need not look in that subcatagory.
And ease of finding something on kazaa should not be a determining factor either. Are we gonna say that Britanny Spears music hashes are not allowed in Music World? ;)
The problem with overtly allowing porn should be obvious...minors visit this board. Plus I'm not sure why anyone would need "verified" porn hashes. Would that not rather be like the Adultworld that was voted down not terribly long ago? Rather than restate four of my other posts, I'll just stop there.
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