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Lol, I guess I gotta brush up on that kinda stuff.
Being staff myself this post is 100% accurate. Most traders (not all, after all there are always exceptions to any given rule) don't think about that at all. They are generally a selfish lot, the "me first" attitude tends to be the mantra of most of them.
A lot of them say it isn't about any sort of level, but look in the trade section and see for yourself, hell there's one now titled want lvl 8,9,10.
Why not instead of trading make some friends (the right way, not the trading way) and if you are a quality human being you wouldn't even have to ask for ANY trackers. Good people search out other good people and can see qualities that they think could add something to a particular tracker/forum/IRC..
It seems that people who trade can't/don't want to take the time and make friends (it's too slow for them apparently) and just want what they want when they want it (proving the "me first" selfish attitude).
Undoubtedly some trader will respond with some bullshit about how trading doesn't do any harm to any site and that they are well within their rights to trade. That is utter bullshit in and of itself. Just about EVERY single tracker out there has 1 hard and fast rule...NO ACCOUNT TRADING,SELLING..NO INVITE TRADING OR SELLING. <-- what part of that is not understandable?
Traders who say they use and respect trackers they have traded for conveniently forget they violated another trackers rule to get into the one they wanted. So apparently it is ok to violate 1 site to gain access to another (until of course something better comes along and then that site they wanted NOW becomes a means to gain entrance to somewhere else and therefore violate THAT trackers rules to get into another).
The fact that FST has a trade section and openly supports it (yes, you are supporting it by keeping it alive, whether you want to admit it or not) is a direct slap in the face to Admins, staffers and the quality users of any tracker.
THANK YOU hearing that meant a lot, someone who actually understood us! for the other parts, just have one thing to say, if they were to come to a staff and say, hey my friend, Lets take into account a metal music specialized site,
i am in luv with metal music that your site can provide, My favourite bands are those, and i have these files at my disposal et cetera, i am really interested in getting to know metal music luvers and share what i have with them. You dont have to invite me now or anything, but i would really luv to be in your site, and i think i can contribute it in my own war, may be active on irc, post some of my own staff, try to be a good member as much as i can be. You dont have to get me in now, just get to know me my(as an example) music style et cetera, if you think i am worth having as a member, then please consider my application to join the site, i am willing to be in that site.
now i havent written quite a nice presentation i know it, imagine that someone with interest in metal music pmed a metal music staff about it. Would he give him an invite?BTW i am not saying he has to, all i am saying is that there is no such a place for the people with same interests to talk and invite each other especially for a dedicated tracker, if that is the case, where do you expect them to get it? friends? Not everyone is as demanding as others. One might not have the courage to ask for an invite from someone because that would be seen as a friendship based on invite. Or one might not like to post requests because some others might ridicule them for what they requested.Anyway quite a complex issue.
sorry not a very good post... but still hopefully you got the main idea, thank you for the previous words really. It meant a lot.
First of all, I want to say The Flying Cow's assessment of the Cold War is correct. There was of course a Communist threat, and the Rosenbergs and the Venona files clearly proved that. I took an overly simplistic view (as you said) of this, as no one is really interested in a history lesson and to exemplify one point. What I aimed to do was mention the lack of communication, which you must admit, was a major issue in this. You are correct though; it's a more complicated issue and linking this is bittorrent was rather a bad move. Truman was a very brusque character, and had FDR been President (who was on friendly terms with Stalin, mind you), perhaps much of this could have been avoided.
Regarding the majority of the posts in this thread, I am NOT scapegoating FST. I am, however, wondering about some of the things that make FST what it is. T.S.O.L. mentioned that communication will not help anymore. Sure, talking to tracker staff is one thing, but providing the actions behind it is another.
It is an obvious reason, but the reason FST is a scapegoat for most of these matters is the trader forum. I, of course, am biased for those who wish to remove it. I do not understand the mentality of traders because 1) it's actually harder to get traders and 2) they DO breach site security, and as sexton noted, have pretty bad invitees.
@bilkenter, the point isn't about free speech. I am all for that. I mentioned in my original post that instead of having a trading section, members could guide these traders along instead of bashing them. I understand what you mean bilkenter. There is a sudden urge to join sites, and trading just seems the quickest way to do it. Is getting banned eventually really worth it though? It's harder to get into trackers by trading than by actually progressing.
@Albo Da Kid. You say that I give this too much importance. From the posts I have seen you made, I can safely say that YOU are pretty much entrenched in the drama that this forum provides. I KNOW FST staff are intelligent. It is obvious from the posts that they make. I am not pointing fingers at them saying they are doing everything wrong. I am just wondering about their motives in keeping some of the forums that this contains.
FST is not completely at fault. Tracker staff have seemingly gone too far in some cases in protecting their sites, some situations I am well aware of. As Artemis said, the WTAW and trader forums bring much attention to trackers who just don't want it, and in turn, brings in cheaters and traders who are not really good characters. I know that FST has had a notorious stance among trackers as being extremely defiant and taking a hard stance in keeping reviews up, etc. From a thread I have seen, Bittorrent has now transcended the simple Internet identity. People are at risk of their personal identity. This, in my opinion, is getting extremely out of hand for something that is already not particularly safe doing already. For the reviews: sure, free speech, but again, I have never understood revealing sites that clearly are risking themselves from the very beginning for the enjoyment of others.
Honestly, if i knew that some staff are willing to listen those traders and try to get to know them and not generalize the fact that all traders are bad selfish and a security breach bla bla, i would definitely try to help them keep their site secure. I would encourage my trader friends to give up what they were doing and ask what they need really. This is why i am saying, dont ban them, try reasoning with them. Honestly, i do it for some trackers like bcg(banned) scc(banned) revtt tdc , i dont want to see any traders or someone that is detrimental to the site either because that would be like the cutting the branch that you are sitting on. But not all traders are the same. I luv the staff there, they are mature really, stoi is open to reason like scc or others. This is the reason why i dont wanna see anyone harmful to the site no more than you do. But Trading shouldnt be a sin, the sin must be what they do afterwards (only leeching?, causing site problems et cetera)
First of all the war on terror is in pakistan,iraq has always been the wrong frontier...i'll explain.there are sites that are dedicated to trading and yes there is this one that is solely for selling of invites,so if its safety that worries u,be rest assured u are fighting a myth.if they want u they will have u with or without fst.
Secondly,I don't understand why you blame society for you having birthed,adopted and raising your kids into prostitutes and pedophiles yet you are the parent...
These traders/sellers are your beloved donors.you made them with this policy of give me money i give you invites,so its really immature and hypocritical for anyone to lay full blame on one party here(please challenge that to see how ignorant u are)....
Hypothetically speaking,its only the scene that can end all this level bs(they stop this release racing for a while)...maybe then we could have bt as it used to be,community,spirit and genuine filesharing(who here remembers the demonoid forums of old?)and even today,their fora are still miles ahead of some of these so called elite trackers...
I don't know,how many trackers today can survive by just having the community part alive...
Also what happened to open sign ups,i mean seriously,i recall bitme having a /signup.php every so often(and this argument of MPAA will signup is pure bullshit as again thanks to *************s they will buy their way in,if they want in)and i also tend to believe that people who care whether sites are open are genuine BT users..(just look at the trackers open for signups sticky)so in essence whether u want to acknowledge it or not,its you who made these traders and sellers..whether its by making access impossible or this money for invites policy...it all comes down to the tracker,ScL is as good as any of those trackers,yet you barely hear them complain or pick fights all over the net coz of traders/sellers...just take a look at bribery and you will see the corelation with this trader/seller e-drama.
That's where you're dead wrong. We (mods) don't really care about any of this stuff nearly as much as you guys and the staffers. We don't get worked up enough about any of this to bother with the name calling and whatnot.Quote:
From the threads I have seen, it seems as if the FST staff and tracker staff are pitted against each other in a perpetual quandary and battle. Being somewhat in this kind of situation for quite a while, I feel it is really essential for both sides to stop the miscommunication.
I can assure you that the "battle" they are fighting is completely one sided; no one is fighting back with the petty games and pseudo-attacks. We aren't pushing back at all for that matter. We've got our backs turned and are enjoying our own site as usual. They can have the drama.