Shame on you and god damn you!

[brotherdoobie]

It's obviously...virtually (pun intended) impossible to have a civil debate regarding this matter. How in the fuck do you people expect those directly involved in the "reality" of this situation to do so.

The drawing room paints a bleak picture...indeed. :sigh:



-bd

[tralalala]

The argument of superiority through which Israel proclaims to be acting in pursuit of something "good" or "correct" is invalid. They are making Hitler and Stalin look like cherubims.

That statement is total pish. You've obviously forgotten what the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mossulini and that Japanese chap did - They were targeting civilians, and civilians ONLY. I don't recall the Russians that were killed by Stalin to ever have thrown a rocket at him, nor do I remember the Jews of Europe killing Germans, or even attempting to "take over Europe" and claim it as their own. In fact, the Jews did quite the opposite - They were a huge positive force in science (Einstein), Psychology (Freud), Banking (Rothschild), and many other fields where the Jews held great success in bringing the human race another step forward. What have the Arabs of this world given us since Muhammad? Oil. That's about the only thing I recall which is positive about what they've given the world (though it causes pollution and all that crap, and algebra doesn't count - Everyone hates maths).

So, basically speaking, Hitler was going to kill Jews, for, well, being superior and bloody brilliant, and for being such a positive influence on humanity, whereas Israel aims to rid the world of a group of militants who claim to be Allah's messengers, who are killing Israelis, and generally are aiming to kill any infidel they can find - Yes, that includes Christians.. Or basically - Any western person who isn't a Muslim. Radical Islam is the worse thing that's happened to this globe since heck knows what. In fact, I doubt the world would have given a shit in the first place about the Arabs of the world if it weren't for their oil...

[Snee]

They are making Hitler and Stalin look like cherubims.

And here I thought BawA and the mong above (the one I grabbed that quote off of), were the dumbest ones in this thread.

[Snee]

Nearly serious post coming up:

At this point neither side is blameless.

The israeli government is as ruthless as it is because they can't back down. Too much pressure and too much fear. They've felt threatened for so long, they'll never back down now. They'll never fold before the other side does. Too much bad blood. And too much people having had a loved one being killed by the other side, or who've seen the hatred directed at them from people on the other side. I don't really think the people in charge want peace anymore, not so much that as some kind of "justice".

On the other side there's the palestinian militants, who are much the same. Only they use another set of tactics. While the israeli military target someone they reckon is a villain, and usually kills a bunch of other people in the process (not exactly hard to do, given that their targets like hiding in highly populated areas, if nothing else the people dying because of it make for good propaganda), the others just bypass the whole selection process and kill people at random. The only reason Israel looks worse right now, is because they have much greater resources, meaning they have the means to kill more people.

It's all terror.

I don't generally take sides in this thing, although I'll happily tell those supporting either side how stupid they are, when they are.

I reckon any sensible people left in there ought to get the fuck out of there. Leave the bastards to blow each other up.

If your god or country wants you to steal someone innocent's land, or for you to kill yourself by strapping a bomb to your chest and running into a mall full of people who've never done anything to you, or something, why should you listen?

Also: One big problem I'm seeing in threads like this, is that some people seem to have a notion that some victims are worth more than others. It's somehow alright to kill a few people here and there if you're the underdog.

[torrentt]

Hamas: No truce before our demands are met.
While Israel prepares to declare a unilateral ceasefire, Hamas has no plans to hold its fire. Hamas representative in Lebanon, Osama Hamdan, said this morning that the different initiatives for a ceasefire were aimed at getting the Palestinians to concede things "which the enemy failed to achieve through the fighting".
Palestinian group's representative in Lebanon says organization won't hold fire in Gaza. 'Don't suggest that we surrender because we haven't been defeated and we won't be defeated,' he says.

[The Flying Cow]

By the way, you should never mess with someone superior to you,because you will be crushed.

This is a good argument to cause genocide.

Though I left out the extant parts of your discourse, they were highly amusing as well.

[pentomato]

By the way, you should never mess with someone superior to you,because you will be crushed.

This is a good argument to cause genocide.

Though I left out the extant parts of your discourse, they were highly amusing as well.

Ok then lets let the palestinians destroy Israel with rockets and do nothing about it, yours is a good excuse, you have more weapons, let the other side destroy you little by little, one house and a few people at a time.

[Brenya]

By the way, you should never mess with someone superior to you,because you will be crushed.

This is a good argument to cause genocide.

Though I left out the extant parts of your discourse, they were highly amusing as well.

When he says superior, he means more powerful. He doesn't imply that the Israelis are morally superior or absolved of all blame. In order for genocide to take place the Israelis need to issue a campaign of dehumanization against their victims. Do you see any such evidence of this?

I think it's a good argument for Hamas to just let Israel keep their land. That however would undermine their very existence as an Islamic militant group and their very reason for being a political body.

What you call genocide is aggressive retaliation. Israel has no intent to take over Palestinian land. They just want to ensure that their people are safe. They will do this in the form of defense against a current assault, retaliation for a past assault, and anticipation to prevent a future assault. They do the first to feel safe in the present, and the next two to feel safe in the future.

[Barbarossa]

Nearly serious post coming up:

At this point neither side is blameless.

The israeli government is as ruthless as it is because they can't back down. Too much pressure and too much fear. They've felt threatened for so long, they'll never back down now. They'll never fold before the other side does. Too much bad blood. And too much people having had a loved one being killed by the other side, or who've seen the hatred directed at them from people on the other side. I don't really think the people in charge want peace anymore, not so much that as some kind of "justice".

On the other side there's the palestinian militants, who are much the same. Only they use another set of tactics. While the israeli military target someone they reckon is a villain, and usually kills a bunch of other people in the process (not exactly hard to do, given that their targets like hiding in highly populated areas, if nothing else the people dying because of it make for good propaganda), the others just bypass the whole selection process and kill people at random. The only reason Israel looks worse right now, is because they have much greater resources, meaning they have the means to kill more people.

It's all terror.

I don't generally take sides in this thing, although I'll happily tell those supporting either side how stupid they are, when they are.

I reckon any sensible people left in there ought to get the fuck out of there. Leave the bastards to blow each other up.

If your god or country wants you to steal someone innocent's land, or for you to kill yourself by strapping a bomb to your chest and running into a mall full of people who've never done anything to you, or something, why should you listen?

Also: One big problem I'm seeing in threads like this, is that some people seem to have a notion that some victims are worth more than others. It's somehow alright to kill a few people here and there if you're the underdog.

Brilliant post, but you're wasting your time with this crowd

[Red pirate]

To keep the argument simple, it comes down to this, and always will do - Israel is stronger than any state or autonomy in the Middle East. There is no point for the "resistance" in Gaza, it will be an epic fail, we will kill anyone we have to in order to beat the fuck out of these terrorist twats. Unfortunately for them, and the innocent civilians they live within, they won't gain much of rocketing us time and time again, because we shall simply thump the shit out of them, with hundreds (and this time possibly even thousands) of fatalities. Face it, you can't win.

I dont remember that in Octobar 1973 by Egypt
I just remember israel run without their paints