the most powerful ones, the ones who are pushing this intelligent design theory into science lessons are the christian ones
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the most powerful ones, the ones who are pushing this intelligent design theory into science lessons are the christian ones
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As opposed to the ones who teach only one way of thinking and will tolerate nothing else. Who say everything else is an offence to their belief and is punishable by death.
When the conservative Christians declare jihad (or it's equivelant) I will be more concerned about their activities. Or when the freedom to disagree with them is removed.
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I agree with your general statement here but a quick read up on people like Eric Robert Rudolph and Christian Identity are comparable examples of a "jihad". It does happen.Originally Posted by JPaul
I will accept that these are not mainstream "conservative Christians" if we all agree (and I think we do) that the Muslims "jihadists" are not mainstream conservative Muslims.
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All someone has to do is attack the folks that are pushing intelligent design from a scientific standpoint and the argument's over.
At the very least an ID thumper would have to agree that ID theory supports no means of measurement.
I really can't see a scientific classroom discussion on it.
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so a few muslim extremists somewhere in the world justifies pushing christian fundamentalism on kids does it?
i've just been reading up on islamic beliefs and apparently they believe (it's in the koran) that there was a big bang, and allah just sorted everything out afterwards, in the following 6 days.
the six days may not literally mean six days as day is written as "youm". in other parts of the koran a youm is upto 50'000 years.
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No, but then I didn't say that. This is a recurring theme with you, The.so a few muslim extremists somewhere in the world justifies pushing christian fundamentalism on kids does it?
Responding to things which people didn't actually say. Or putting forward arguments against beliefs which people aren't actually expressing.
You are responding to your own prejudices, as opposed to discussing the points other people are making. Don't worry about it tho', it is the rule rather than the exception.
Let me give you an example, not all Christians believe the same things. There is no need for them to, other than some very specific parts. All atheists however believe exactly the same thing, which is that God does not exist. It is therefore, for this particular thing, much easier for me to see where you are coming from than it is for you to see where I am coming from.
You therefore make assumptions, e.g. "Christians do not believe the Big Bang happened" (as a random example, which you may or may not believe) which is no more than a sweeping and largely incorrect generalization. Many Christians believe just that and in the theory of evolution and in the internal combustion engine and that electricity is not some form of witchery.
Like I said, don't worry about it, bias is often based on incorrect assumptions, rather than actual observations.
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i think i have a problem coming across clearly, sorry that's my fault.
at no point have i said all christians believe in intelligent design. rather that the fundamental christians that believe the bible to be a 100% accurate historical document. they believe in intelligent design. i was brought up a catholic, i know all about what christians believe.
about the big bang. i never said "christians do not believe the big bang happened", i said the koran said it did happen. it's the islamic story of creation. i just went about and did some googling to see if "intelligent design" fits in with other religions theories, namely islam. i thought it was kind of interesting that apparently it describes the big bang theory.
maybe you should stop making assumptions
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i never even hinted that all christians believe the same, or believe what i was taught. all i've been saying is that it's the christian fundamentalists (not all of them, just in case you read that wrong again) are trying to force their views to be taught as science, and that's not on.
you're just being silly about this, i don't even know why i'm arguing about your misunderstanding
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" i was brought up a catholic, i know all about what christians believe."
How does the fact that you were brought up a Catholic make you "know all about what christians believe". Either you think they all believe the same thing as you, or you have gone on to ask every Christian about what they believe. As the former is highly unlikely then one must assume you believe the latter.
Or you can just accept that it was a ridiculous claim to make.
If I misunderstand it is because I am reading what you type, a courtesy I sometimes feel you do not affford others.
Last edited by JPaul; 08-13-2005 at 09:38 AM.
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