Jewish settlers leaving the Gaza strip?

[whypikonme]

And also what my post has to do with the current conflict is this, it's not actually a question of land being stolen, and that is why i posted that. it's a matter of certain people, like you for instance, feeling that israel just plain does not have a right to exist, anywhere. it is not possible, that i know of, to read someone's mind. so right now, whypikonme, why don't you close your eyes and imagine all the jewish people in the world living on an artificial island in the ocean. would you be happy then? only you know the answer.

Don't put words in my mouth!

Israel can exist as far as l'm concerned, within the 1967 borders. According to the Geneva Convention, any land occupied during an armed conflict is not to be annexed, and the welfare of it's people becomes the responsibility of the occupying nation, Israel has failed miserably on both counts.

It's people like you who believe Israel has a right to exist anywhere they choose that are prolonging this saga.

[MediaSlayer]

It's not me you have to convince, so relax, I have no idea how you really feel about this, and have no way to tell. For the question of where should they exist, I believe both of those nations would do well to share the land with each other, and co-exist, because the alternatives are bleak. It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

[whypikonme]

It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions. Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left? More than 30% of Israelis hold dual nationality, they have somewhere else to live but they choose to live on stolen land, why should anyone feel sorry for them. Get the fuck out of the occupied territories.

Even though the Israelis have removed the settlers from Gaza, they are far from leaving altogether, they will retain control of all the borders, including the border between Gaza and Egypt. They will retain control over the coastline of Gaza, as well as the airspace.

[j2k4]

You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.

The fact of U.N. resolutions into the bargain is reason enough to ignore them.

Until the U.N. limits itself to it's chartered activities and does a thorough house-cleaning, screw it's resolutions; nobody else abides by them, why should Israel?

Every country acts in it's own-interests, or to the detriment of a select few.

The U.N. has hosted anti-Semitic orgies of rhetoric in the past few years, and frankly, I don't recall hearing of any similar blanket denunciations of, say, Islam, during the same period, so fuck 'em.

I advocate pushing the whole shebang right into Turtle Bay, just like they solidly back those who wish to push the Israelis into the Red Sea.

Just my opinion, of course.

[whypikonme]

Just my opinion, of course.

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

[Tikibonbon]

Just my opinion, of course.

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

One week they bitch about not embracing the UN, next week they bitch about enforcing UN resolutions....

[MediaSlayer]

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.

If it makes you happy to hear it, YES, I SUPPORT ISRAEL FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE AND NO MATTER HOW IMPARTIAL I TRY TO BE, I DO IDENTIFY WITH THEM AND FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE THINGS THEY DO. This, however, does not mean I am pleased with all the things they do, and that I approve of all of them. Maybe you want some examples. I do approve of the west bank pullout, I don't approve of ariel sharon being prime minister, ehud olmert would be a stronger leader, I do approve of closer ties with Israel's arab neighbors, and I don't approve of fighting the animalistic tactics of hamas(sucide bombings) with "set-ups" made to look like a sucide bomber accidentally blew himself up while making a bomb.

quote:Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left?

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn. Hopefully the gaza pullout will improve the chances of peace.

Last but not least, I have a movie recommendation for you, if you can put up with black and white. The movie is called "broken arrow" and stars James Stewart, it is an old western movie, but you'll find that the message is timeless.

Don't tear into me too hard now, I don't know if I can log on tommorrow(i had to drive all the way across the city to send this one).

[whypikonme]

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn.

The price of peace has been known for decades, withdrawal to the 1967 borders. Israel has no desire for peace or they would never have allowed settlements in the occupied territories.

[JPaul]

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

[whypikonme]

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

So give us your ideas, O wise one.