Hurricane Katrina...

[Busyman]

'Tragedy often becomes a stage for the best of human character. But it seems as if this tragedy is also destined to be a stage for the worst, a spotlight on the divisions that have lately grown so much wider between us.'
Leonard Pitts, Miami Herald

Well, Busyman, I have read a lot on FEMA lately and it's absorption into the Homeland Security Department......a decision made by the Bush Administration. There are pros and cons to this decision, though, aren't there? How dare Bush 'let' this hurricane happen while these two departments are being blended! I have to wonder what would be said if we had two strong tax supported agencies down there, each trying to lead the rescue efforts. I can hear the complaints about Bush supporting two agencies, when combining these agencies would have been a lot more tax efficient.

At least it would be 2 agencies down there. Who the fucks going to complain about 5 agencies down there? How 'bout 10?

Now don't get it twisted. I'm not saying Bush should have thrown caution to the wind and throw all our resources to N'Orleans and Mis'ippi. HLS still was very important due to it being an ample time for another terrorist strike.

The pros and cons?
Con - anti-terrorism efforts will always get more money than disaster relief.
Problem - anti-terrorism efforts have been have assed so wtf?!!!

Our borders are shit, people are still getting on planes with weapons, and uh...let's cut taxes to help the wealthy. What a brain.

Tons of moneys have been given to the states specifically for anti-terrorism. So much in fact that states have had to figure out things to do with these moneys (for anti-terrorism) and have been buying far-fetched shit with absolutely no oversight besides

...it had to be for anti-terrorism.

[brotherdoobie]

There will be a need for those in authority to be called to account after this is all cleared up, there is also a need for U.S. society as a whole to comprehend what the collective failure shows about the American way of life. So I'm not going to just blame Bush...

my conscience, my wallet

Did the latter help ease the former?

I don't feel guilty. Why should I? I feel empathy for those who have lost
everything. (at least, the material.)

Peace bd

[GepperRankins]

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3378818


watch this. first hand accounts of the starving homeless dying people not being allowed to leave the city, because they were held behind a police roadblock


http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/4688/Hom...s_Deliver_Food


read this about homeland security refusing to let the red cross do their job

[BigBank_Hank]

Your post would have teeth if you didn't try to blame the state officials by their lonesome.

My thing is not what happened beforehand. It is it's aftermath. I read that there were folks ready to go but waiting on Bush's say so. Wtf?!!!

I also know Bush can't control hurricane's. However, it amazes me that for the man in charge, he can't seem to quite get it right. So far, the only thing seems to be Afghanistan, which was a no brainer. Everything else has been less than redeemable.

I blame the state officials because they are the ones in charge of the damn state.

Your thing isn’t what happened beforehand? If measures had been in place beforehand this mess wouldn’t be as bad. You have to make advance preparations for something like this and its not like the state didn’t know this was coming. Weather forecasters said that the storm was going to hit N.O last Thursday. Now you can’t honestly tell me that from the forecasted date of Thursday to Monday when the storm hit that some kind of plan couldn’t be thought of. Something had to be done but the only thing that was done was an evacuation order. The President did his part he declared the state a disaster area 2 days before the storm even hit here.

[Everose]

'Tragedy often becomes a stage for the best of human character. But it seems as if this tragedy is also destined to be a stage for the worst, a spotlight on the divisions that have lately grown so much wider between us.'
Leonard Pitts, Miami Herald

Well, Busyman, I have read a lot on FEMA lately and it's absorption into the Homeland Security Department......a decision made by the Bush Administration. There are pros and cons to this decision, though, aren't there? How dare Bush 'let' this hurricane happen while these two departments are being blended! I have to wonder what would be said if we had two strong tax supported agencies down there, each trying to lead the rescue efforts. I can hear the complaints about Bush supporting two agencies, when combining these agencies would have been a lot more tax efficient.

At least it would be 2 agencies down there. Who the fucks going to complain about 5 agencies down there? How 'bout 10?

Not me, Busyman. I would have no reason to address this without your complaining that 'Bush' dissolved FEMA. Please re-read my statement above. The man will never be able to do anything right. Half the people will bitch regardless of his decision in whatever instance. So I don't expect the man to be perfect. I don't expect him to ever please all citizens. But I will point out when someone seems to have that unrealistic expectation of him. Emergency Preparedness is Emergency Preparedness. If an area has a weakness, whether it be a weak levee, or an adjoining border with another country...........it is in their best interest to use these monies to address their specific issues, would it not?

Now don't get it twisted. I'm not saying Bush should have thrown caution to the wind and throw all our resources to N'Orleans and Mis'ippi. HLS still was very important due to it being an ample time for another terrorist strike.

I won't, Busyman. Our Department of Defense really can't afford to do this, regardless of how the people who want all of their attention at any given moment feel that way.

The pros and cons?
Con - anti-terrorism efforts will always get more money than disaster relief.
Problem - anti-terrorism efforts have been have assed so wtf?!!!

Well, there you have it, Busyman. You don't hear so much about anti-terrorism efforts anymore, do you? You do hear about emergency preparedness and homeland security. You won't hear me criticizing the shift.

Our borders are shit, people are still getting on planes with weapons, and uh...let's cut taxes to help the wealthy. What a brain.

And what is the answer, Busyman? Human Beings are dying in the deserts of Arizona trying to get to the States. Why do they do this....risk death to get here?

Tons of moneys have been given to the states specifically for anti-terrorism. So much in fact that states have had to figure out things to do with these moneys (for anti-terrorism) and have been buying far-fetched shit with absolutely no oversight besides

Funny. I have been active in my local emergency preparedness board. The funds are there for use in local emergency and disaster planning and prevention. If your area is using it for far fetched things...........take it to their faces and demand accountability.

...it had to be for anti-terrorism.

I forgot where you live. With your area's recent history, I would think a little anti-terrorism planning would be applicable.

[Everose]

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3378818


watch this. first hand accounts of the starving homeless dying people not being allowed to leave the city, because they were held behind a police roadblock


http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/4688/Hom...s_Deliver_Food


read this about homeland security refusing to let the red cross do their job

Did you read this whole article? Have you no conception that the National Guard needs no more people than it already has to rescue? Why would you let people in to an unsafe area when you are removing people from same area as soon as possible? The national guard itself has hauled over nine million meals into the area......with millions more on it's way. Hell, the article, if anything states that the Red Cross totally understands this.

[Busyman]

Your post would have teeth if you didn't try to blame the state officials by their lonesome.

My thing is not what happened beforehand. It is it's aftermath. I read that there were folks ready to go but waiting on Bush's say so. Wtf?!!!

I also know Bush can't control hurricane's. However, it amazes me that for the man in charge, he can't seem to quite get it right. So far, the only thing seems to be Afghanistan, which was a no brainer. Everything else has been less than redeemable.

I blame the state officials because they are the ones in charge of the damn state.

Your thing isn’t what happened beforehand? If measures had been in place beforehand this mess wouldn’t be as bad. You have to make advance preparations for something like this and its not like the state didn’t know this was coming. Weather forecasters said that the storm was going to hit N.O last Thursday. Now you can’t honestly tell me that from the forecasted date of Thursday to Monday when the storm hit that some kind of plan couldn’t be thought of. Something had to be done but the only thing that was done was an evacuation order. The President did his part he declared the state a disaster area 2 days before the storm even hit here.

...and again you blame them on their lonesome. You don't seem to address the aftermath either. You seem to be on track with Bush. I wonder if he thinks the way you do?

[Busyman]

At least it would be 2 agencies down there. Who the fucks going to complain about 5 agencies down there? How 'bout 10?

Not me, Busyman. I would have no reason to address this without your complaining that 'Bush' dissolved FEMA. Please re-read my statement above. The man will never be able to do anything right. Half the people will bitch regardless of his decision in whatever instance. So I don't expect the man to be perfect. I don't expect him to ever please all citizens. But I will point out when someone seems to have that unrealistic expectation of him. Emergency Preparedness is Emergency Preparedness. If an area has a weakness, whether it be a weak levee, or an adjoining border with another country...........it is in their best interest to use these monies to address their specific issues, would it not?
Too bad it is focused on anti-terrorism only...and that is half-assed. I get that Bush comes across too many as a security minded cowboy. Unfortunately..it ain't true. So what is he good at?
Now don't get it twisted. I'm not saying Bush should have thrown caution to the wind and throw all our resources to N'Orleans and Mis'ippi. HLS still was very important due to it being an ample time for another terrorist strike.

I won't, Busyman. Our Department of Defense really can't afford to do this, regardless of how the people who want all of their attention at any given moment feel that way.
They can afford to now though, can't they? I am reminded of sufficient motivation.
DC doesn't have enough money to fix broken down schools but hell they enough for a new baseball stadium. Go Expos er..Nats!!!
Sufficient motivation.
The pros and cons?
Con - anti-terrorism efforts will always get more money than disaster relief.
Problem - anti-terrorism efforts have been have assed so wtf?!!!

Well, there you have it, Busyman. You don't hear so much about anti-terrorism efforts anymore, do you? You do hear about emergency preparedness and homeland security. You won't hear me criticizing the shift.
HLS has to do with anti-terrorism Evey. The only reason you hear alot about natural disaster relief is because of the recent transformation of N'Orleans/Mis'ippi into Atlantis.
Our borders are shit, people are still getting on planes with weapons, and uh...let's cut taxes to help the wealthy. What a brain.

And what is the answer, Busyman? Human Beings are dying in the deserts of Arizona trying to get to the States. Why do they do this....risk death to get here?
Not our problem besides the fact they shouldn't be here. Read up on the importation of voters.
Tons of moneys have been given to the states specifically for anti-terrorism. So much in fact that states have had to figure out things to do with these moneys (for anti-terrorism) and have been buying far-fetched shit with absolutely no oversight besides

Funny. I have been active in my local emergency preparedness board. The funds are there for use in local emergency and disaster planning and prevention. If your area is using it for far fetched things...........take it to their faces and demand accountability.
With almost no oversight.

...it had to be for anti-terrorism.

I forgot where you live. With your area's recent history, I would think a little anti-terrorism planning would be applicable.

Uh yeah....I work in DC and live next AAFB...so uh yeah.

[Everose]

I disagree with you, Busy. Emergency Preparedness has to do with preparing for any emergency in the area. I do agree that an act of terrorism is definitely an emergency to be prepared for.

Which is it? Is Bush a security minded cowboy as you seem to say a lot of people think, or does he not care about national security? Yesterday you claimed he didn't give a shit. Now he is way too security minded because he allocates money for terrorism emergencies.

What is he good at? Apparently remaining President of the United States. You have to hand it to him....that isn't easy for any man these days.

Guess I don't understand your 'They can afford to now' statement, Busy. First you were running with the 'we can't afford to because of Iraq.' Now you are saying we all of a sudden can afford to.

Please explain to me exactly what you think the federal government should have done here. Sent the National Guard and the US Coast Guard in before the levee broke? Who would have rescued them? As it was, the Coast Guard had to retrieve a lot of it's own people before it could rescue others. I am thankful someone had the sense not to send the National Guard in before they did. Then we would have had even longer delays, no?

A lot of effort has been put forth here to explain responsibilities of self, city, parish and state in this situation, also. I really feel the federal government met its responsibilities as quickly as possible. But the local effort failed miserably. Why did they not prepare for this, knowing a lot of their citizens didn't have the means to get out by themselves. And also knowing a lot of them would choose not to, even given that choice? I look around in my own city and I am aware who would need assistance out of here. For me to expect the federal government to know is absurd. Are you suggesting the Department of Defense should have had time to be in these areas, on the ground with buses, food and supplies before the levee broke? Just in case of?

You are angry about some baseball stadium when the schools in your area need work; you should be and have a right to that anger. Was the stadium put up for a bond issue/public vote? Have the schools attempted bond issues to repair and rebuild? Has the public voted these bond issues down?

First you say that our borders are going to shit and imply nothing is being done. Then you say it is not our problem. Which is it, Busyman?

I am getting dizzy trying to follow you. No oversight on what? By whom?

[Alien5]

its impossible to prepare for a hurricane/or any other disaster, america is 1 of the most dangerous places to live in the world.