Hurricane Katrina...

[Busyman]

I agree with your main point but whotf are you talking to?

Maybe he isn't and is just putting his opinion across?

"You" denotes a reference to someone.

[brotherdoobie]

Why didn't the President order him to issue a mandatory evacuation order if they all knew how bad it was going to be?

Everose, would you care to tell me then what you meant by this post?

Actually, I have thought about it some. And the things I think about it I will keep to myself.

Sounds like you think bad things but are keeping quiet about it to me

Maybe it's one big rod...















I doubt it...but it's hard telling these days.

Peace bd

[peat moss]

I think Everose's only problem is she wears her heart on her sleeve , and is patriotic to a fault . I certainly appreciated her pm this morning . I wish my fellow Canucks were a little more that way ,sure hope cooler heads prevail in this thread .


Check you pm's Everose .

[j2k4]

Sarcastic irony now?

Think, lynx, think...

Bush resigns, you get Cheney, and whomever he selects to sit at his right hand for the next few years.

Works for me.

Well, it only becomes sarcastic if you are going to be hypocritical about your position that the man at the top should shoulder the blame.

Now that's ironic.

Okay.

Let's say he "shoulders the blame".

What then?

Does he offer himself up for political sacrifice, and place himself at the mercy of...whom?

What would be a proper method of flagellation for this trespass?

Should he put everything on hold (including the relief/rescue effort) while he is castigated by whomever?

I haven't lent my opinion to those here, but I will now:

There is plenty of blame to go around, and since Bush sits atop the totem pole, he shares it in proper measure.

The question seems to be whether he ought to be publicly whipped before he resigns (which popular opinion here seems to dictate he do out of a sense of propriety) rather than after.

You all might clear the air as to what we should expect him to do, positioned as you are as the arbitors of American affairs...

Well?

What would you deem appropriate, lynx?

[BigBank_Hank]

I told you guys the state screwed this up.

The Red Cross was on the news tonight and they had trucks of food and water ready to go after the storm but the STATE would not let them in. They wanted to deliver food and water to the Superdome but the state wouldn’t let them in because it would encourage the people there to stay and the state didn’t want them to. That is the most appalling thing that I’ve heard. People were dieing in the Superdome and State officials wouldn’t let them in.

So let me recap all of this for you. The Mayor of the city has a parking lot full of buses that were at his disposal to get the poor, sick and elderly out of town that he didn’t use. He didn’t enforce the mandatory evacuation order that was given. The Governor never called up the National Guard and had them ready to go. Then the icing on the cake; the state won’t let the Red Cross in to deliver food and water because they want the people out of the Dome.

And this is all Bush’s fault?

[j2k4]

Why didn't the President order him to issue a mandatory evacuation order if they all knew how bad it was going to be?

Because it is not in his purview to do so.

He could suggest privately that to evacuate might be prudent, but the decision would rest with the Governor.

If he did this, however, the Governor would have him on the hook immediately to provide a federally-funded and mighty comfy evacuation, don't you think?

Keeping in mind this would all have had to happen before Katrina came ashore, and could therefore have been all for naught, the possibility of political fallout would have kept the Governor from asking, and the President from offering.

I really hate to be interjecting reality into your anti-Bush free-for-all, but there you have it.

Surely you can see how this works?

[Busyman]

I told you guys the state screwed this up.

The Red Cross was on the news tonight and they had trucks of food and water ready to go after the storm but the STATE would not let them in. They wanted to deliver food and water to the Superdome but the state wouldn’t let them in because it would encourage the people there to stay and the state didn’t want them to. That is the most appalling thing that I’ve heard. People were dieing in the Superdome and State officials wouldn’t let them in.

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.

[MediaSlayer]

Here's a very unique idea: let's stop attacking each other and pointing fingers and just say your peace. If you don't agree with someone, fine.

My peace:

I believe that the hurricane was created by nature but it's course was altered by man, specifically the Republicans who run this country. Why would DC want a hurricane to hit New Orleans so severely? Two reasons-
1. because the earth is overpopulated, and disasters like tsunamis and hurricanes get rid of people in a clean way, so they think

2. because DC sees black people who didn't(and would never) vote for Bush or swallow his bullshit lies a liability, and a financial drain. not to mention a place that they would refer to as a "liberal stronghold" of sorts, which they hate.

3. because it jacked up the price of oil, and caused panic, and republicans feed on fear.

edit:also i believe the sudden appearance of these gas guzzling SUV's was no coincidence either. it seems like they got real popular all of a sudden at a time when oil is scarce, which makes the problem worse. i have even heard rumours that some hummer dealerships in California had there fleets partially set on fire because the people were angry about the fact that they waste so much gas. and what is bush doing to promote other sources of energy, like natural gas or hybrid electric cars? some skimpy tax credits that don't even make a dent in the overall price of the hybrid/natural gas car.

there

[lynx]

Well, it only becomes sarcastic if you are going to be hypocritical about your position that the man at the top should shoulder the blame.

Now that's ironic.

Okay.

Let's say he "shoulders the blame".

What then?

Does he offer himself up for political sacrifice, and place himself at the mercy of...whom?

What would be a proper method of flagellation for this trespass?

Should he put everything on hold (including the relief/rescue effort) while he is castigated by whomever?

I haven't lent my opinion to those here, but I will now:

There is plenty of blame to go around, and since Bush sits atop the totem pole, he shares it in proper measure.

The question seems to be whether he ought to be publicly whipped before he resigns (which popular opinion here seems to dictate he do out of a sense of propriety) rather than after.

You all might clear the air as to what we should expect him to do, positioned as you are as the arbitors of American affairs...

Well?

What would you deem appropriate, lynx?

I'm not letting you off that easily, J2.

You are the one who, in the past, has called for resignations before the investigations have been completed. Surely you should be doing the same in this case.

Personally I would be quite content to wait for the outcome of the investigation. But with Bush having put himself at the head of this investigation it hardly seems likely it will be thought impartial.

[lynx]

When I first heard about the waterside explosions the other day, I thought Bush had misunderstood what was required when asked to send in the troops. I thought he had decided to do something about the insurgents looters and had ordered an air strike.

No mention of WMD this time. So far.