Hurricane Katrina...

[tracydani]

That's because it's all around them in the water. Give 'em time, they'll find it.

[manker]

manker you got some nerve making a "don't judge me, I'll do what I want post" and then you go on to say how you respect Everose but that you are going to use your post to pass judgement on her. Shame on you, that's pretty low.

You can hold the utmost respect for a person but still think their viewpoint on a particular issue is pish. However, in this case I stated clearly that I wasn't sure what 'Rose's viewpoint was - so I made a generic comment regarding an earlier post.

Nothing wrong with that.

As for my 'Don't judge me' comment. It wasn't about 'me' - it was about judging the bilions of people who decided that America have enough funds to clear up their own mess and their donations were needed more elsewhere.

Here's a very unique idea: let's stop attacking each other and pointing fingers and just say your peace. If you don't agree with someone, fine. Regardless of popular belief, that is a very natural human thing to do. But quit taking shots at each other.

If you disagree with someone and post to that effect, you're effectively taking a shot at their beliefs.

Given this is a place to discuss opinions, how do you propose we avoid this.

[Rat Faced]

Yes, the USA has the funds to deal with this.

However, those funds are tied up in red tape just like every others countries finances are.. funds can be promised immediatly, they cannot be delivered immediatly. In addition, as i said earlier.. the Federal and State will be more concerned with the infrastructure than in the individuals.

The Insurance Companies will hum and hah about business' and individuals.. ie: Their money will not come quickly.

A huge amount of people could not afford insurance, and so now have nothing.


To summarise.. The USA needs Aid? Damn right it does, just like any country would.

You cannot blame the American people because you do not like the policies and personalities of its Government.. you have to remember that a lot more than 50% did NOT vote them in (whoever is in power at the time).

You must remember that just over 50% of those that voted, voted them in this time.. that is not a huge majority of the population in anyones money.

You must remember that the majority of the people in trouble here are not even likely to be those that voted for them in the 1st place, and it shouldnt matter if they were.

FFS, show a little compassion here guys...


J2, I already pointed out Bush couldnt evacuate

Hank, the FEMA convoys were stopped by the FEMA management, in Texas.. not by the State.

The State did however stop other convoys such as the Red Cross.

In their defence, they were told that the FEMA convoys were on the way already, and claim to have been keeping the way clear for them as much as possible (or so they were saying in interviews)..


We aren't going to know what happened exactly for a long time, if ever... there are a lot of umbrellas up already.


Media.... are you remembering to take your medicine?

We can make it rain, in certain circumstances....we cant direct the course of a Hurricane. Do you realise the energy that would require?

Before we can control the weather, we have to be able to predict it in the 1st place... we cant do this at the moment, this is why your given a % for the chance of rain.

[Cheese]

Media.... are you remembering to take your medicine?

We can make it rain, in certain circumstances....we cant direct the course of a Hurricane. Do you realise the energy that would require?

Before we can control the weather, we have to be able to predict it in the 1st place... we cant do this at the moment, this is why your given a % for the chance of rain.

For a momnet then I thought you were talking to the media...

[DanB]

Why didn't the President order him to issue a mandatory evacuation order if they all knew how bad it was going to be?

Because it is not in his purview to do so.

He could suggest privately that to evacuate might be prudent, but the decision would rest with the Governor.

If he did this, however, the Governor would have him on the hook immediately to provide a federally-funded and mighty comfy evacuation, don't you think?

Keeping in mind this would all have had to happen before Katrina came ashore, and could therefore have been all for naught, the possibility of political fallout would have kept the Governor from asking, and the President from offering.

I really hate to be interjecting reality into your anti-Bush free-for-all, but there you have it.

Surely you can see how this works?

No J2, thats why I asked

[Santa]

The media is all
I puke on the absurdity of the media & politics for its fascinatinatingly sensational manipulative yet highly "informative" techniques.

[j2k4]

Because it is not in his purview to do so.

He could suggest privately that to evacuate might be prudent, but the decision would rest with the Governor.

If he did this, however, the Governor would have him on the hook immediately to provide a federally-funded and mighty comfy evacuation, don't you think?

Keeping in mind this would all have had to happen before Katrina came ashore, and could therefore have been all for naught, the possibility of political fallout would have kept the Governor from asking, and the President from offering.

I really hate to be interjecting reality into your anti-Bush free-for-all, but there you have it.

Surely you can see how this works?

No J2, thats why I asked

My apologies.

[j2k4]

Okay.

Let's say he "shoulders the blame".

What then?

Does he offer himself up for political sacrifice, and place himself at the mercy of...whom?

What would be a proper method of flagellation for this trespass?

Should he put everything on hold (including the relief/rescue effort) while he is castigated by whomever?

I haven't lent my opinion to those here, but I will now:

There is plenty of blame to go around, and since Bush sits atop the totem pole, he shares it in proper measure.

The question seems to be whether he ought to be publicly whipped before he resigns (which popular opinion here seems to dictate he do out of a sense of propriety) rather than after.

You all might clear the air as to what we should expect him to do, positioned as you are as the arbitors of American affairs...

Well?

What would you deem appropriate, lynx?

I'm not letting you off that easily, J2.

You are the one who, in the past, has called for resignations before the investigations have been completed. Surely you should be doing the same in this case.

With all due respect, lynx, you have nothing to let me off from...

You obviously refer to Kofi Annan; I can't think of any others off-hand whose resignations I've called for, and actually I don't remember specifically calling for his.

I'm still a bit stupified that none of you had a problem with the U.N. investigating itself, particularly at this juncture.

No one even seemed to think there was an agency/body with the moral authority to investigate the U.N. or Annan; you were all content more-or-less to accept his blanket denial of any wrong-doing or lack of stewardship in any matter whatsoever (Oil-for-Food, Sudan, etc.), but, I digress...

In short, you all seem positively eager to pronounce on Bush and the U.S. over hurricane Katrina; the U.N. was another matter entirely.

[JunkBarMan]

As for my 'Don't judge me' comment. It wasn't about 'me' - it was about judging the bilions of people who decided that America have enough funds to clear up their own mess and their donations were needed more elsewhere.

So you are saying that you did indeed donate money? Because it sounds like you didn't, so that would include yourself as #1 in the billions you are talking about.

Here's a very unique idea: let's stop attacking each other and pointing fingers and just say your peace. If you don't agree with someone, fine. Regardless of popular belief, that is a very natural human thing to do. But quit taking shots at each other.

If you disagree with someone and post to that effect, you're effectively taking a shot at their beliefs.

Given this is a place to discuss opinions, how do you propose we avoid this.

What saddens me with this topic is that it seems like people are losing focus that there are actual people, lots of people affected by this tragedy, and instead of keeping that in mind when posting, they just want to use this as a venue for America bashing.

Hey bash America, poopoo on Bush all you want, I don't care. But, this topic, this tragedy, these people they don't deserve it. If you hate America, anyone, from any country, that's fine, its your right, just don't lessen this topic with it.

These are human beings, people, your fellow man and woman; does it really matter they are from America? If so, then shame on you, all of you.

[lynx]

In short, you all seem positively eager to pronounce on Bush and the U.S. over hurricane Katrina;

I've already said twice that I'm prepeared to wait, so I hope you aren't including me in your "all".

the U.N. was another matter entirely.

Hypocrite.