Hurricane Katrina...

[Busyman]

He was also in the pocket of the American Car Makers, bombed the fuck out of Afganistan for no particular reason other than take attention off his dick...

He was a Hedonist that was as crooked as a 3 dollar Bill.

There were some achievements on his watch though, which you refuse to acknowledge.

The world does, as these achievements affected just about everyone, mostly in a positive manner.


Should he have been impeached? Yes, but not for what he was impeached for, getting his Dick sucked is his business, not the US publics. Between him and his wife.

Shame that you didnt impeach him for the stuff that mattered and were plain illegal. That would have opened the door onto the "perks" of your administrative system and stopped everyone else getting kickbacks though, so you didnt.

Clinton though, at least kissed you while he was shafting you...

Fuck are you talking about....refuse to acknowledge?

I have to say that in your quest to talk about Clinton to, in weird way, appease j2, you did a shit job. I mean bringing up the "perks" of our administrative system when these "perks" exist in yours is...well let's just say your system ain't near perfect either and I'm sure you bend over alot.

The main thing that pissed me off with him was "wagging the dog" and I thought it was despicable.

Shame we don't talk British politics as much. Fact is, we don't bother 'cause we're too concerned with our own.

Most Presidents make fuck all difference in my day-to-day so please explain how I was shafted by Clinton...explain it to all of us.

[DanB]

Clinton > Bush

[brotherdoobie]

Clinton > Bush

Agreed.

Peace bd

[j2k4]

Clinton > Bush

How so?

Seriously...

[j2k4]

Come on J2, im waiting here....

For what?

Your obsession with Bush precludes noting that if Bush presided while the Oil-for-Food fiasco was taking place, he would have been stepping into Clinton's shoes as re: stewardship of that situation, because that is when it started...you seem, however, to believe Clinton's only negative was an Oval Office hummer, about which none of the hoi polloi have entree to opine.

In all other regards, Clinton seems to have been your kind of guy, as you've not mentioned this very salient fact, which, by the way, amounts to the same petard as the Halliburton one, which was heartily initiated by Clinton.

As to whether or not the Iraqis got fed, watered and medicated by virtue of Oil-for-Food, how well they made out was a relative thing, given that we now know how well Saddam (and a few well-chosen U.N. flunkies and figureheads) made out, too, the fact of which doesn't seem to bother you either, so eager are you to hang the whole thing on Bush, or at least mitigate the blame-worthiness of others by including him in the bargain.

I would think a fair-minded person should be outraged that Saddam lined his pockets to tha Iraqis' detriment, by virtue of a program meant to regulate his financial viability and care for his people, administered by the U.N.-not the U.S.

I've heard more outrage from this board, in this single thread, about poorly-chosen but off-the-cuff remarks made by the President's mother than I have about Oil-for-Food in the entire history of that issue...

i made a comment, apparently educating oneself is bad and prejudice is good now though

You've totally lost me here, Dave...

[Busyman]

Clinton > Bush

How so?

Seriously...

Please don't...you first.

https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showt...1&page=1&pp=10

[GepperRankins]

j2k4. you constantly criticize me for "googling" for information. to be honest i hardly ever google. my main sources are wikipedia, BBC and GNN.tv

i am aware GNN is a little, err biased and wikipedia is susceptable to errors - on the subject of american poilitics i doubt a mistake will stay up for five minutes though


here's a little CnP

Spoiler: Show

The economy

During Clinton's tenure, the U.S. enjoyed continuous economic expansion, reductions in unemployment, and growing wealth through a massive rise in the stock market. The economic boom ended shortly after his term ended, possibly indicative of a stock market bubble; Although the reasons for the expansion are continually debated, Clinton proudly pointed to a number of economic accomplishments, including:

* More than 22 million new jobs
* Homeownership rate increase from 64.0% to 67.5%
* Lowest unemployment in 30 years
* Higher incomes at all levels
* Largest budget deficit in American history converted to the largest surplus of over $200 billion
* Lowest government spending as a percentage of GDP since 1974 [5]
* Higher stock ownership by families than ever before

The reasons for this growth are hotly debated, but many cite his 1993 tax increase which is generally acknowledged to have reduced the deficit, which in turn lowered interest rates, which spured comsumption and consumer spending. Alan Greenspan supported this plan, which was approved by Congress without one Republican vote [6]. His critics credit solely Alan Greenspan, the Republican Congress' 1995 spending cuts, the Contract with America initiatives, or even Ronald Reagan's 1981 tax cut during the 1980's.[7]

so that's the educating oneself bit sorted.

Those who deem non-judgementalism a desirable quality are the most judgemental and least-tolerant people I know, and many/most here on the board give lip-service to the idea, but aren't on a nodding basis with the spirit of it.

At least, by my judgement.
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By what mental process do we conclude it is good to be non-judgemental?

i actually agree with you here. i just wanted to twist your words to make you sound both anti-enlightenment and pro-ignorance. the first bit i agree with, the second bit i twisted for the sake of contrast




busyman.

[peat moss]

I don't see a problem with googlng for info , one can never see all the info in a newspaper or online forum and have used in the past to show an example or prove a point .

[manker]

How so?

Seriously...

Please don't...you first.

https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showt...1&page=1&pp=10

I am the only one in that thread to come up with a positive accomplishment

[manker]

you seem, however, to believe Clinton's only negative was an Oval Office hummer

He (Clinton) was also in the pocket of the American Car Makers, bombed the fuck out of Afganistan for no particular reason other than take attention off his dick...

He was a Hedonist that was as crooked as a 3 dollar Bill.

j2, your statement in another thread that you don't bother much with drivel would carry more weight if you refrained from writing it.