Northern Ireland kick's off again

[DanB]

This is because you have yet to give one reason why the Orange Order in Ulster is different.

So what you're saying then, is that lynching black people, and tying them to the backs of pick-up trucks and dragging them through the streets, and burning their houses down, is the same as men and boys marching through the streets banging drums and waving flags?

Weird!

Maybe he meant that blowing up and killing innocent people was the comparitive?

[Jon L. Obscene]

You know, one day Jonno, you'll read what's going on and make a sensible post.

Yeah ok

So what you're saying then, is that lynching black people, and tying them to the backs of pick-up trucks and dragging them through the streets, and burning their houses down, is the same as men and boys marching through the streets banging drums and waving flags?

No, in this case the Orange men would be the blacks and the other lot would be lynch mobs.
Difference being that the orange men only have to walk a slightly different route to avoid trouble, it was the lynch mobs who went looking for people.
And in NI it's the Orange lot who go looking for trouble and thats exactly what they get. I'm sorry but if you knew full well that maching your flag through certain places would cause trouble and violence then you would go a different way wouldn't you?

Actually you probably wouldn't cos no one scares you etc blah blah but most people would unless they actually wanted trouble.

THAT is my point which you seem to have so much difficulty comprehending.

Jonno

[Rat Faced]

This is because you have yet to give one reason why the Orange Order in Ulster is different.

So what you're saying then, is that lynching black people, and tying them to the backs of pick-up trucks and dragging them through the streets, and burning their houses down, is the same as men and boys marching through the streets banging drums and waving flags?

Weird!

No,

Im saying that an organisation that has killed people in the past for their beliefs and still has in its code that these people are not worthy to socialise with... many of the members also being in paramilitary organisations

are the same as

An organisation that has killed people in the past for the colour of their skin and still believe that those people are not worthy to socialise with... many of the members also being in paramilitary organisations.



The only difference is that in the past one killed for religious belief and the other for the colour of the skin.

If either of these organisations wish to march where they are not welcome they shouldn't be allowed.

I'd object to Nationalist/Catholics (eg PIRA, Sein Fein) marching in a Loyalist/Protestant area they weren't welcome for the same reason... i havent particularly got a hatred of one side or the other.


Edit:

I wish to differentiate something.

The Orange Order is active in many countries, however it is only in Ulster and Scotland that i have ever heard of associations of violence. This is probably due to the sectarian nature of the areas.

I do not include the "Lodges" of any other nations in any accusations of hatred and bigotry... however read your "Qualifications" to join, if the shoe fits...

[whypikonme]

No, in this case the Orange men would be the blacks and the other lot would be lynch mobs.

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And in NI it's the Orange lot who go looking for trouble and thats exactly what they get.

So let me get this straight Jonno, you're saying that it was the blacks fault, for looking for trouble, that caused them to be lynched?

Even weirder.

[whypikonme]

Im saying that an organisation that has killed people in the past for their beliefs and still has in its code that these people are not worthy to socialise with... many of the members also being in paramilitary organisations

You seem to conveniently forget that both sides here are the same, almost, one side has killed thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with their shit, or are you saying that the blacks deserved what they got, as Jonno says?

[lynx]

Im saying that an organisation that has killed people in the past for their beliefs and still has in its code that these people are not worthy to socialise with... many of the members also being in paramilitary organisations

You seem to conveniently forget that both sides here are the same, almost, one side has killed thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with their shit, or are you saying that the blacks deserved what they got, as Jonno says?

You missed this bit out.

I'd object to Nationalist/Catholics (eg PIRA, Sein Fein) marching in a Loyalist/Protestant area they weren't welcome for the same reason... i havent particularly got a hatred of one side or the other.

No doubt you'll accuse me of not reading the thread again.
Thing is, the rest of us could actually see it up there, so obviously whoever reads these out to you missed that bit.

Edit: Just heard that the UVF have been declared to have broken their ceasefire. About time too, they haven't really been sticking to it for years.

[whypikonme]

Thing is, the rest of us could actually see it up there, so obviously whoever reads these out to you missed that bit.

Why don't you just FUCK OFF! l'm getting sick of your constant insults, that you bring up for no other reason than to be a CUNT, you're supposed to be a fucking MOD, why don't you start acting like one?

[Jon L. Obscene]

No, in this case the Orange men would be the blacks and the other lot would be lynch mobs.

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And in NI it's the Orange lot who go looking for trouble and thats exactly what they get.

So let me get this straight Jonno, you're saying that it was the blacks fault, for looking for trouble, that caused them to be lynched?

Even weirder.

No, if you actually read what I said, I said that the lynch mobs went looking for blacks and the blacks got hurt/killed.
In NI the Orange people go looking for trouble.......and get hurt/killed so the orange people are a bit of a mix of the 2, they go to a place knowing they will get attacked yet they still do it. Why?

btw, reduced to telling people to f-off? dayum I thought you could hold out longer than that

Jonno

[4play]

they go to a place knowing they will get attacked yet they still do it. Why?

pride, stupidity or just fancy stiring up shit maybe a mixture of each.
they may be wrong to march through somewhere they are not wanted but they should have the right to do so.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Yes we all know that, but by the same token you should be able to walk down the street without getting mugged, you should be able to leave your door unlocked at night, you should be able to go to the pub without getting in a fight, you should be able to travel on a plane without the fear of terrorism, you should be able to do a lot of things, the point being if you knew a bad thing would happen as a result or your actions you would not follow that course of action unless you actually wanted that trouble it may cause (with a few exceptions obviously, but in this case it applies).

Jonno