check out this ANOREXIA forum.

[Gripper]

Its an illness. A mental illness grounded in compulsive behaviour and caused in part by a change in brain chemistry in response to stress (stress=physical OR mental). That which you describe above are some of the symptoms of this illness. I think this has been discussed previously.

Blyth

Yeah there are some homeless around here that became mentally ill after they decided not work.

Or perhaps they lost their jobs after becoming mentally ill,sometimes Busy you talk bollocks

[Barbarossa]

No, he's trying to use a piss-poor analogy to say that anorexics cause their own mental problems by not eating.

The fact that the analogy is just as dubious as the intended target subject just goes to show how badly wired up his brain is.

Note how this keeps going round in circles? It's like a roulette wheel style of arguing.. if he spins it round often enough, maybe he will end up with the last word.

[muchspl3]

good thing Busyman is here to take the heat away from my questions/comments

[Busyman]

Ok so we're talking about the homeless now. All lazy ain't they. Its their own fault isn't it. I suppose you once nearly became homeless but managed to pull yourself together in the nick of time because you are so mentally strong. Yes. Well done.

You have no idea.

Why do you group all homeless together? Some simply don't wanna work, some got a tough break, some are mentally ill. Pretty simple.

There are some around here that make a career of it. Some are lazy at least to the extent that they don't wanna work a regular job. That's a disease ya know.

They have low self-esteem and can't take being told what to do or telling others what to do.

[Busyman]

Yeah there are some homeless around here that became mentally ill after they decided not work.

Or perhaps they lost their jobs after becoming mentally ill,sometimes Busy you talk bollocks

Wow I think I see the letters S O M E in both posts.

If you wanna pile on at least do it correctly.

[Busyman]

No, he's trying to use a piss-poor analogy to say that anorexics cause their own mental problems by not eating.

The fact that the analogy is just as dubious as the intended target subject just goes to show how badly wired up his brain is.

Note how this keeps going round in circles? It's like a roulette wheel style of arguing.. if he spins it round often enough, maybe he will end up with the last word.

No I'm saying that not eating became habit forming. Any initial quest to lose weight got lost. Funny that many people have this in them but just don't go to that degree.

It sounds like I'm not agreeing with you. I remember the same thing when I alone disagreed that people are born gay.

[megan343]

muchspl3- As i have said countless times IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT OTHERS THINK.

Most of the time, girls aren't trying to lose weight to be skinnier, that is just a result of not eating. Most of the time it's a control issue, you control your food intake because you can't control anything else in your life.

[Blythorama]

It wasn't relevent.

seems completely relevant as your "condition" is the way you and others precieve yourself. thats how I understand your problem anyway

Check your facts. I am not anorexic. I've had experience of eating disorders and mental issues. I can however show compassion, reason and understanding...

[JPaul]

Unless you get away from the notion that anorexia is simply a result of trying to lose weight, which then gets out of control, then there is no way to understand the people who have it.

You are looking at the apparent symptoms of the illness, rather than the cause. As made clear on the web-site I linked to, the cause can be a combination of things including trauma, genetics, image, conditioning etc.

The idea that anorexics are simply people who tried to get very thin, then lost control of it is simply wrong. However even if it were right, they still deserve your compassion. As does anyone else with an illness (even if they themselves were partially to blame for it). Like having bad knees thro' sports injuries.

A big problem here is that people try to debate using analogy and simile. I have almost got to the stage where I ignore anything which starts "It's just like ...." or similar.

(Awaits obvious Vaudevillesque reply)

[Busyman]

Unless you get away from the notion that anorexia is simply a result of trying to lose weight, which then gets out of control, then there is no way to understand the people who have it.

You are looking at the apparent symptoms of the illness, rather than the cause. As made clear on the web-site I linked to, the cause can be a combination of things including trauma, genetics, image, conditioning etc.

The idea that anorexics are simply people who tried to get very thin, then lost control of it is simply wrong. However even if it were right, they still deserve your compassion. As does anyone else with an illness (even if they themselves were partially to blame for it). Like having bad knees thro' sports injuries.

A big problem here is that people try to debate using analogy and simile. I have almost got to the stage where I ignore anything which starts "It's just like ...." or similar.

(Awaits obvious Vaudevillesque reply)

I haven't gotten around to reading in depth about it yet (your link). I would wish anorexics to get better "as" I would wish anyone to be in good health that hasn't hurt others. However, that is where it ends. I cannot go further because they are doing it to themselves and there are real victims of real disease that are not even partially to blame that deserve compassion. I do not believe "anorexia" and "bulimia" are diseases. I will never equate them to cancer or smallpox.