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[vidcc]

Howz about when it's clearly frivolous, throw that shit out?

What are you getting at that wouldn't be covered by holding lawyers accountable for bringing frivolous suits?

[clocker]

I find it odd that personal responsibility is given a pass on this plain you speak of.

Gun manufacturers in court if their products are deliberately used to injure another person?

Okay.

Auto manufacturers in court if someone injures (runs over?) another person?

No.

Drug manufacturers in court in case of an overdose?

No.

Tobacco growers in court if someone dies from lung cancer?

Yes, but only if the state and big tobacco can scratch each other's backs in the bargain.

You analogy is flawed.

No, it is not.
Your analysis is.
Cars and drugs are not manufactured to kill, accidents happen with both but neither is intentionally designed to be lethal.
Futhermore, drug companies, tobacco companies and car makers have all lost huge lawsuits for design malfunctions or intentional misleading of the public (tobacco) yet gun makers now have immunity for the very same thing.
The firearms industry has a long and well documented history of evading the weak and ineffectual gun control laws that somehow managed to survive their lobbying efforts, now they needn't even bother...can't be touched no matter what.

Thanks to Dubya I'm placing my order for an Apache attack helicopter tomorrow.
Personal responsibility is so much easier to exert when one has firepower to bring to the field.

[vidcc]

I'm sure they can still be sued if their gun malfunctions due to manufacture defects etc.
As far as I can tell the shield was so they can't be sued if some nut goes on a killing spree.I'm not sure if it covers gun dealers that sell guns to unqualified purchasers.

Still I can't see why this needs to be a "special" protection

[j2k4]

I'm sure they can still be sued if their gun malfunctions due to manufacture defects etc.
As far as I can tell the shield was so they can't be sued if some nut goes on a killing spree.I'm not sure if it covers gun dealers that sell guns to unqualified purchasers.

Still I can't see why this needs to be a "special" protection

Vid and I agree?

Will wonders never cease?

Clocker-

Vid gets it and you don't?

Guns are meant to shoot, yes.

Knives are meant to cut.

Wusthof-Trident, Buck and Kershaw should be hauled into court?

Hammers are meant to pound nails.

Stanley should be at risk?

Table legs are meant to hold up tables, but people have been bludgeoned to death with them.

You say guns shoot high-speed projectiles ostensibly meant to kill.

This is true in some cases, but "sporting" rifles and handguns are not marketed to private citizens in order that they may be used to shoot humans, although that regretfully occurs here and there.

The fact is that countless other things can be used as well to take a life, and the wrongful taking of a life by any means (including one's bare hands) can be characterized as nothing more than mis-use of "equipment".

The only thing any of them (including guns) have in common is that they may, and have been, used to take a life.

Guns are not exceptional objects when considered this way.

[vidcc]

Vid and I agree?

Will wonders never cease?

So you think this is an unwarranted piece of legislation as well. good on you

[clocker]

Guns are not exceptional objects when considered this way.

Last time I looked, a backround check was not necessary to purchase a table leg.
Or a hammer.

If guns are not "exceptional objects" then why do they enjoy "exceptional protections"?

[Busyman]

Background checks are a legislative and retail issue.

Again clocker, you bring up malfunctions to bolster your argument by citing drugs and cars. It is a flawed argument.

Tell me they can never have a lawsuit for any reason then you can talk.

[Busyman]

What are you getting at that wouldn't be covered by holding lawyers accountable for bringing frivolous suits?

Why would you hold lawyer's accountable?

I'm don't want to stop or penalize people from bringing lawsuits. If it's frivolous, it's on their dime when it's thrown out anyway.

I know what you're getting at. If lawyers are accountable they'll be less likely to bring bullshit in the court.

I believe there are certain laws that can ascertain what's frivolous and the courts can interpret when this law is to be applied.

For instance, unless McDonald's added an ingredient to purposely make people fat, fat people can fuck off and go cry to the medical field that they have an eating "disorder" that taxpayers can front the bill for.

Too much fried food + no exercise = fat ass

[clocker]

Background checks are a legislative and retail issue.

Again clocker, you bring up malfunctions to bolster your argument by citing drugs and cars. It is a flawed argument.

Tell me they can never have a lawsuit for any reason then you can talk.

I have never brought up the subject of "malfunctions". j2 brought up the fact that both cars and drugs can kill people also. I simply pointed out the fact that neither of those industries enjoyed the special protections now afforded the makers of guns.
Hell, I would be thrilled if guns "malfunctioned" all the time.

[Busyman]

I have never brought up the subject of "malfunctions". j2 brought up the fact that both cars and drugs can kill people also. I simply pointed out the fact that neither of those industries enjoyed the special protections now afforded the makers of guns.
Hell, I would be thrilled if guns "malfunctioned" all the time.

What special protections could drug and car maker have anyway?

Guns should have that protection. Knife makers don't get sued. Why do gun makers? It's because some people simply don't like guns. That's a shit rationale for a lawsuit to target a particular weapon.

The rationale that guns are made to kill or wound people and animals and knives aren't makes no sense either. It gets a "so what".
They are both legal to own.

In this case, illegal use of a legally sold and owned apparatus is not the fault of the manufacturer.

The reason this special protection is put forth is because it is cut and dry....as it would be with a knife.