Help Save The World!

[longterm]

Okay. Here's the gig. I am trying to save the world. It is my hobby. It is not a well-paying hobby, and requires stupendous amounts of reading and yakking. I am looking for suggestions, and here are the issues at hand.
A couple points, right off. These 1st few are not topics, per se. I am trying to dispel trivial matters.

1. Race can NOT be an issue. That is IT! That is it. Our blood is red, the WORLD ENTIRE, and racism is USED by power-mongers to maintain control.
GET OVER IT! Hatred born of racism divides the power of free people. I know it seems like only white people are running America, and the world, to some. I'M white, and broke! It's not about race. It's about who gets the moolah, and when they get it, and how much they get. Money is green, and is the motivator behind many innocent people being killed. SO. First off. Get over racism, no matter where you are. We'll set the record straight, if we join our minds/time/hearts.

2. Violence is NOT an option. I SAY AGAIN...violence is NOT an option.
It merely gives powermongers a reason to hunt you down and toss you in jail, or worse, kill you. So. If you can't stand what your leader is doing, leave them alone. Work on educating people on the truth.
Self-defense is another story. I am not referring to self-defense.

3. Some parts are U.S. specific, with the understanding that if one day, America becomes free, and I mean really free, not media says so free, it can help other countries become free.

Now for the tough part.
The questions are not many. They are compelling. Once they are answered, we can get behind most of the pain and suffering.

1. Biggest and most difficult problem.
What will motivate the people who run the biggest companies, such as GE,
Disney, Standard Oil, Dupont, Dow, Bayer, Ford (some of these may be subsidiaries by now-they are just examples), and banks, and the other hundreds of companies who actually dictate the way things go, to fundamentally change how they do business, so that people do not drop dead of starvation, chemical poisoning, pollution?
How do you get someone who takes home billions of dollars to suddenly alter what he does, without violence, without threat of violence?
This is the hardest question for me to answer. What do you appeal to?
Who do you even talk to? I mean, we all know Bush is black with oil, so he might be a decent intermediary, but what about the rest?

2. How do we let people know, swiftly and accurately, that the American government as a democracy is a sham, and that the President has powers now, (and has had), that give him a very tight-fisted control over the masses. The Federal Register and Fedral Reserve are both rather suspect, and take any real bite from the majority. Since the government controls the press, and the tv, and taps the phones, and opens the mail, and chooses the curriculum for the schools, how does a real statement get through? I say again, violence is not an option. Only idiots and insane people would advocate using violence against multi-billionaire paranoid, intelligent, technologically armed to the teeth people. I'm neither insane, nor an idiot. Merely concerned about the truth. That's all.

Now, the floor is yours, world.
GIVE ME YOUR SUGGESTIONS. B)

Note: "Go fuck yourself" will not be considered as a feasible way of saving the world, but it will work as a brief distraction, so I may go do that for awhile.

Watch, I'll get 5 hits and a reply that reads:
"Uh, good topic, but it's too long."

News flash, folks.

I AM TRYING TO SAVE THE FUCKING WORLD! IT TAKES A FEW SENTENCES!
Geez, already!

Educate. Laugh. Love. Life.

[jay973]

Thats just a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap.
Just let nature take its course.

B)

[sAdam]

eheh, jay

thats exactly what i was gonna say

goddamn stupid hippies think they can change the world.

shit if we listened to idiots like this, we'd all be sittin on straw mats eatin rice cakes and singin kom-bai-ya

fuk that noise, i'm gettin in my SUV and goin to McDonalds.

[longterm]

Originally posted by jay973@17 April 2003 - 09:59
Thats just a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap.
Just let nature take its course.

B)

Um, trees are nice, yes. Letting "nature" take its course, and letting some stranger run roughshod over my existence are two different things.
If I pick up a pencil and then let it fall, it does indeed, fall.
THAT is part of the order of things.
If it can be man made, it can be man unmade, such as:
Law.
Company.
Money.

These are not "nature's" doings. They are mans'. I am proposing a change in how the future is going to look.

I am thinking 50, 150, 500 years ahead. Not 1. Not 5.
Do you think your kids will ever visit a space station?

What about your great-great-grandchildren?

Do you care? Why not?
I understand. Why worry about something so far away?
(Especially if there is beer or drugs nearby&#33
Because it needs to be worried about. It needs to be.

The American dictatorship is NOT natural, nor right, and it is filled with lies which would rend the nation asunder were they to be voiced at once.
A change is needed.

I know violence is a part of life. I'm not referring to the natural selection that goes on. I am talking accountability, and truth.
It is not too much to ask for. If one cares.
I don't think I should be penalized for caring.
I think I would go utterly mad if I just gave up.
(I shave my head, so the hair part would not apply to the "hippy" moniker.)

Thank you for responding, and I hope I've not offended you.

[jay973]

Do you really think this is the correct forum to start a thread like this?
WE HAVE NO MORALS HERE.Greenpeace is down the corridor,third door on the left.
Oh and please shut the door behind you.
Thanx.

[longterm]

Geez. I am not a friggin' hippy. I am simply upset that we are fed lies daily, and I also want my piece of the fucking pie. I was not going to write any of this next stuff, but fuck it, I may as well get it off my chest.
I've had severe stomach pain for months now, and the ER won't look without $, and the doctors won't look without $, even though it "might" be cancer, and the insurance from work is too expensive, I can't do both insurance AND rent, even in this low-income neighborhood.
I'm hoping I don't drop dead any given day, because my only child will be 2 soon. I want to see her grow up.
I was in the U.S. military, and when I left, it was with an honorable medical discharge. They've denied me ANY benefits AT ALL. For years.
I was lied to by doctors for 10 years, and now owe $250,000 in medical bills, so my credit is SHOT. I finally solved the medical problem myself, for free!
MY SUV, a Ford Explorer, was totally paid off, when it was impounded and sold over a $10. ticket. No alcohol was involved, there was no accident at all. When it was all said and done, this cost me about $16,000 in property and my relationship with my child's mother. The cop wouldn't give me a warning, just laughed and said, "Nope."
I fall through every friggin' crack that would allow me to get the help other people are getting, and it sucks. Royally.
So. I am sick and fucking tired of the people in power using their power to gain, gain , gain, and fuck the world around them.
"27,000 kids died yesterday from hunger? fuck'EM! 27,000 more today? fuck'EM!"
Have you read 1984, lately?
Have you read The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America?
It's not easy doing something beyond existing for one's self, and half the time I feel like just dropping all my research. Just dropping it all, and saying,
"Fuck every other person that is not me." and just totally looking out for me alone. But it's not my nature.
I appreciate your feedback, and if you have anything else to add, please...write away.

I don't vent often, so when I do, it's acidic. My apologies.


Educate. Laugh. Love. Life.

[longterm]

Originally posted by jay973@17 April 2003 - 10:36
Do you really think this is the correct forum to start a thread like this?
WE HAVE NO MORALS HERE.Greenpeace is down the corridor,third door on the left.
Oh and please shut the door behind you.
Thanx.

Very funny.
In that case, what other forum could be NEARLY as fun as this one, to start such a thread?
It's always great to hear from those without morals, 'cause I may learn something!
Who the hell said I had any morals anyway?
I just want you to be as free to do your thing as possible, as well as the next few generations.
p.s.-I could never do Greenpeace! I shave my head, and would freeze my scalp off within seconds. Not for me, chap!

[hobbes]

1)People with no insurance get treated every day in the same manner as those fully insured. It is called a Unversity hospital.

Where do you think all the streetpeople, drunks, dealers, and felons get their medical care. Just call an ambulance, lay on your front doorstep, and they will take you there.


2) Police impounded YOUR car over a 10 dollar ticket and sold it. How about you engage in some honesty here. No partial truths.


3) Your doctors lied to you for 10 years. Sure, of course, they were just milking you for money. Laughing all the way, without a care. PPPPPP-paranoia.

Sure, you may have been misdiagnosed, but there is a chasm between overt neglect and failing to discover the nature of your ailment in a timely manner. My own Grandmother spent 2 years, traveling state to state, before finally getting a diagnosis. It never crossed anyones mind that we were being extorted or lied to, why do you feel this way?

4)You have $250,000 in medical bills, no credit, yet you paid off a $26,000-37,000 car. Most poor people ride the bus.

What I am saying is that your story doesn't mesh well. Are you sure you are not the problem?

This is not a flame.

Think about it, when bad things happen to you, you claim no resposibility. You just jump on the paranoia bandwagon and claim that the government, the police, and doctors are all out to get you. Takes all that nasty responsibility off your chest. You are an innocent victim.

Also, you blamed the police for the deterioration of your relationship. Nothing you did, but something that was done to you.

Before you save the world, you must first save yourself.




As for saving the world when you are better:

People are starved intentionally by their governments. This is how they control the population. You cannot free yourself from this oppresssion by ignoring your leaders and you certainly are more interested in eating than learning to read or write.

This type of oppression cannot be removed with articulate debates and philisophical pondering. VIOLENCE is the only remedy.

Different groups have been attempting to feed the world since I can remember. We still stand firmly on square one, spinning in a circle. You can't cure pneumonia by treating the fever with ice, you need to attack the cause.


Final note:

"The American dictatorship is not natural, nor right, and it is filled with lies which would render the nation asunder were they to be voiced at once".

Did you really use "asunder"? That line kind of rendered me nauseated. Smells like propaganda.

[longterm]

I know you're not flaming me. I need the reality check.
Yes, I used "asunder". It's not propaganda, it's emotion.
Sue me (Sorry I soured your tummy. )
The Explorer was bought used for under $1000, from a friend who'd bought a new vehicle.
It WAS my fault for getting the ticket that started the process, but since I paid the ticket, and remember paying, since it was raining like hell the day I took it to the courthouse, I was a bit miffed that my license was suspended over it months later. ( I found out at the time of pullover.) Since I didn't know it was suspended, a "routine pullover" that would've resulted in either a ticket or warning in most other cases, I checked the statutes, etc, resulted in an arrest and impound, since I was driving illegally. Whoopee.

The doctor thing? From the age of 21 to 32 I had over 75 shoulder dislocations. The first dozen or so were due to seizures, the majority after that happened in my sleep.
Unfortunately, I cannot do the "Lethal Weapon" trick, due to a Hill-Sachs deformity in the shoulder bone. So. 75 trips to different ERs over the years. I asked doctors repeatedly whether there was anything I could do to decrease the likelihood of future dislocations. To a tee, the response was
"surgery." When I asked about exercises, and I did, I was told to keep it immobilized and don't use it very strenously, or in reaching positions.
So. 2-3 years ago I'm reading through a bodybuilding mag and I'm reading this article on shoulder strength and how to best develop it, and what to watch out for, since the shoulder is considered one of the least stable joints in the body, depending on angle and pressure.
So I tailor the exercises to my capacities, and I've not had one dislocation since, even though I've had a few seizures.
They were the first...ever...seizures...to NOT include a dislocated shoulder as part of the package.
My anger at the doctors is a simple question.
Why couldn't ONE, over a course of nearly ten years, advise me of the real benefits of the exercises I asked about?
I trusted the doctors when they advised me, and took their advice. I got to visit them often. No, they did not take my money. Due to the epilepsy and shoulder issues, my job history never included insurance, and often I was homeless when I went to the ERs. (Nope, don't drink. No drugs, either, although one ER doctor accused me of dislocating my own shoulder to get meds. If he'd done some checking, he would've found out that I did not EVER fill a prescription from an ER, since I never HAD pain once the shoulder was back IN. Since I was homeless, the easy answer looked best to him. The prescription slips ended up in trash cans, always.)
I have to go to work now, so I can't reply completely. I do enjoy the feedback, though.
Like I've written elsewhere, give me reason to believe it's so.

[ne1GotZardoz]

Originally posted by longterm@17 April 2003 - 03:37
1. Biggest and most difficult problem.
What will motivate the people who run the biggest companies, such as GE,
Disney, Standard Oil, Dupont, Dow, Bayer, Ford (some of these may be subsidiaries by now-they are just examples), and banks, and the other hundreds of companies who actually dictate the way things go, to fundamentally change how they do business, so that people do not drop dead of starvation, chemical poisoning, pollution?
How do you get someone who takes home billions of dollars to suddenly alter what he does, without violence, without threat of violence?
This is the hardest question for me to answer. What do you appeal to?
Who do you even talk to? I mean, we all know Bush is black with oil, so he might be a decent intermediary, but what about the rest?

Not a difficult problem. The solution is simple.

Get everyone to change their spending habits.

Every branch of Corporate America operates on a profit margin.

Where do you think they get that profit?

Who's controlling who here?

There is only one corporation in the good ole USA that I absolutely HAVE to give my money to.

And the people in charge of that one are elected by me.

Peace