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    ...but all I found was this:

    Breaking from NewsMax.com

    A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives.

    In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others.

    "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine.

    "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left."

    After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning."

    Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger.

    Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say":

    a.. Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's.

    b.. Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop.
    The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles.

    But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals.

    The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop.

    a.. Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door.

    b.. Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich.
    But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS.

    a.. Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American.

    b.. Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS.
    One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji.

    Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry.

    a.. Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages.

    b.. Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die.
    Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO.

    a.. Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
    Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights.

    "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed.

    "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy.

    "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable."

    Did you ever notice: When you put the two words "The" and "IRS" together it
    spells "Theirs."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    b.. Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich.
    But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS.
    Um, why in the world has the Pentagon paid Chomsky anything in the past 40 years?
    Is is in the military or collecting a pension?
    Oh well, doesn't matter.
    Chomsky already showed his lack of credibility by not opting for a "non-venerable" lawfirm to look after his assets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
    i suppose it might be possible to be a right-winger and have a fair share of personal scandal, which doesn't negate one's status as a rightist....

    but shouldn't a socially or religiously conservative person by definition be so chaste or discreet that finding dirt on his personal life would negate his veneer of conservativism? in so many words, a conservative is only conservative until skeletons are found in his closet, at which point he's revealed to be a liberal.

    or a libertine. which "liberal" seems to have become synonymous with, lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    b.. Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich.
    But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS.
    Um, why in the world has the Pentagon paid Chomsky anything in the past 40 years?
    Is is in the military or collecting a pension?
    Oh well, doesn't matter.
    Chomsky already showed his lack of credibility by not opting for a "non-venerable" lawfirm to look after his assets.

    Quite right about that last; Chomsky issues a blanket rejection of established (venerable) institutions, yet retains their services.

    That's ironic just because it's Chomsky.
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    a.. Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages.
    I thought this typical of the way facts are distorted to give a false impression. Schweizer implies that she works in Canada to save money. But look at the two statements separately.

    She prefers to do her filming and post production work in Canada.
    She can pay less than American union wages.

    There is no direct suggestion that she goes to Canada in order to pay less, nor that she actually does pay less, but by running the two together Schweizer is certainly trying to make that smear.

    a.. Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's.
    I'm pretty sure Michael Moore hasn't insisted that corporations are evil, but Schweizer knows he won't get directly challenged on it. He (Michael Moore) has gone on record as stating that he's bought shares in the above corporations in order to be able to visit the Annual/Extraordinary General Meetings they hold. But of course it doesn't help Schweizer's argument so he keeps that very pertinent fact back from the reader.

    I could go on and pick holes (actually, gaping chasms) in just about every snide comment Schweizer vomits up, but what's the point.

    Sorry, j2, you've dragged up yet another incompetent hack. I really expect you to be able to do better than this.
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    how stupid do you have to be not to find dirt on the conservatives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynx
    I thought this typical of the way facts are distorted to give a false impression. Schweizer implies that she works in Canada to save money. But look at the two statements separately.

    She prefers to do her filming and post production work in Canada.
    She can pay less than American union wages.

    There is no direct suggestion that she goes to Canada in order to pay less, nor that she actually does pay less, but by running the two together Schweizer is certainly trying to make that smear.

    a.. Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's.
    I'm pretty sure Michael Moore hasn't insisted that corporations are evil, but Schweizer knows he won't get directly challenged on it. He (Michael Moore) has gone on record as stating that he's bought shares in the above corporations in order to be able to visit the Annual/Extraordinary General Meetings they hold. But of course it doesn't help Schweizer's argument so he keeps that very pertinent fact back from the reader.

    I could go on and pick holes (actually, gaping chasms) in just about every snide comment Schweizer vomits up, but what's the point.

    Sorry, j2, you've dragged up yet another incompetent hack. I really expect you to be able to do better than this.
    Nice post lynx. I even knew that about Michael Moore. j2 read more than what comes in your email.

    Also it should be noted that the reason much filming goes on in Canada is 'cause the locales charge less to film there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynx
    There is no direct suggestion that she goes to Canada in order to pay less, nor that she actually does pay less, but by running the two together Schweizer is certainly trying to make that smear.
    general view in the film industry is that u.s. producers do pay less by moving their productions to another country, as they're more competitive & eager to get involved with a u.s.-financed film. however besides costs, there's another practical reason for such a move: hollywood is a very busy & crowded workplace. oftentimes there's a surplus of cash, but a shortage of talent and space. the availability of workers & facilities in a foreign country when an equivalent quality might be unavailable in the u.s. due to prior commitments. i.e. suppose you've got money and you want to make a certain type of movie in the u.s., but you can't make that movie because the combination of workers & facilities you'd need to hire are already committed to other films for the next entire year. what would you do, then? start considering those offers coming from toronto, sydney, etc, which all say: "look, over here! we've got people with the requisite level of skill & talent, and adequate stages, that you need in order to get your film made!" as an incentive, they'll usually offer to go lower than u.s. prices.

    outdoor locations are important too. some filmmakers go in search of veracity 'cause there's nothing like the real place. others go in search of locations that can be used as substitutes for what they're trying to portray. toronto and vancouver for example have a sort of "generic north american city" appearance that can easily stand in for a number of u.s. cities where it'd be impractical or impossible to film (due to a lack of qualified workers in the region, or due to the city gov't refusing to grant permits to film in public, etc). or for another example, "apocalypse now" was filmed in the philippines because vietnam was unavailable and los angeles just doesn't look like an asian jungle no matter how many potted plants you put in the background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynx
    I thought this typical of the way facts are distorted to give a false impression. Schweizer implies that she works in Canada to save money. But look at the two statements separately.

    She prefers to do her filming and post production work in Canada.
    She can pay less than American union wages.

    There is no direct suggestion that she goes to Canada in order to pay less, nor that she actually does pay less, but by running the two together Schweizer is certainly trying to make that smear.

    Look how hard you are working to split the requisite hairs to concoct this tortured attempt at refuting Schweiser's very correct deduction.

    Apparently the same "appearances mean everything" precept you use to try to hang others doesn't apply to "other-than-conservatives", huh?


    a.. Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's.
    I'm pretty sure Michael Moore hasn't insisted that corporations are evil, but Schweizer knows he won't get directly challenged on it. He (Michael Moore) has gone on record as stating that he's bought shares in the above corporations in order to be able to visit the Annual/Extraordinary General Meetings they hold. But of course it doesn't help Schweizer's argument so he keeps that very pertinent fact back from the reader.

    He's gone on record?

    Oh, my.

    Must be true then, huh?

    Once again, your urge to "believe' has you looking like the most gullible bird on this board, Lynx.

    Also, I believe Mr.Schweizer's effort qualifies as going on the "record", too, which gives him co-equal status with Mr. Moore.


    I could go on and pick holes (actually, gaping chasms) in just about every snide comment Schweizer vomits up, but what's the point.

    You haven't picked anything, lynx, don't flatter yourself.

    Sorry, j2, you've dragged up yet another incompetent hack. I really expect you to be able to do better than this.
    Really.

    I must say that your post, given it's whiny tone and inane reasoning, is entirely typical of what I've come to expect from you.

    As an aside, I've always been supremely impressed with your knowledge on any number of subjects, but specifically computors.
    I remember a while back I developed a curiousity about RAID arrays, and you stepped up with the most comprehensive dissertation on RAID in general, and also it's various incarnations and usages.

    I was singularly impressed by that, and continue to be educated by the sum of your posting in the "Hardware" and "Software" sections.

    In short, you are one smart fellow indeed, and I salute you for both your knowledge and willingness to share it to the benefit of others.

    Funny thing, though:

    In here, your distaste for me, as well as what I try to represent, guides your mind at every post, and reveals you as just one more liberal.

    I wonder that you post opposite me for no reason apart from some sense of one-upmanship, and, were I not posting, you wouldn't bother.
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    j2 your post was full of bullshit and no shit Sherlock.

    It's the old "He's against raising taxes, but raised taxes anyway."

    You just posted that Democratic politicians can be dishonest and hypocritical just like anybody else.

    It's policies that affect my life that I care about.

    Maybe you'll find some dirt on conservatives like you found on liberals in your email inbox.
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