Um...what?Originally Posted by Busyman
en(un)lightened
Um...what?
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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Oh sorry.....convicted of the actual leak (not the perjury or false declarations).Um...what?
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I haven't made any case for guilt as to libby knowing she was a covert agent, I even said he is on trial for perjery not "outing the agent" even though he did. I even pointed that fitzgerald has been hindered in his investigation. It is a very hard case to prove at the best of time but probably impossible when evidence is withheld or destroyed.Fitzgerald didn't have sufficient evidence to charge Libby-there was no statement to the effect he "knew" Libby was aware but juuuuuuust couldn't scrape together the evidence to charge him.
What of that, then?
Do you feel sanguine inferring such on your own, absent anything from Mr. Fitzgerald?
It is very possible that libby (or rove) did not know her status but highly unlikely that cheney didn't.
A covert agent was outed, this is fact. But as you said it has to be proven they knew she was covert when they outed her. I have never denied this. The perjery charge has nothing to do with this.
you said this
implying you don't believe she was covert. It would be nice to know if you believe still. It has nothing to do with libby, cheney, rove or any other. It is a simple question and I can't think why you are avoiding answering it.Originally Posted by j2k4
What covert agent, BTW?
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
I haven't made any case for guilt as to libby knowing she was a covert agent, I even said he is on trial for perjery not "outing the agent" even though he did. I even pointed that fitzgerald has been hindered in his investigation. It is a very hard case to prove at the best of time but probably impossible when evidence is withheld or destroyed.
It is very possible that libby (or rove) did not know her status but highly unlikely that cheney didn't.
A covert agent was outed, this is fact. But as you said it has to be proven they knew she was covert when they outed her. I have never denied this. The perjery charge has nothing to do with this.
you said this
implying you don't believe she was covert. It would be nice to know if you believe still. It has nothing to do with libby, cheney, rove or any other. It is a simple question and I can't think why you are avoiding answering it.Originally Posted by j2k4
What covert agent, BTW?
I think she had a special covert/overt status.
If this is not true, she should have shot her husband for outing her, too.
Her status was not a secret to any who knew her, apparently...that this didn't bear on the Libby investigation is no doubt the reason for it's lack of inclusion in Fitzgerald's report.
You say that, although Libby is not charged with "outing" Plame, he is certainly guilty of it.
By what standard do you arrive at this conclusion?
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
there is no god
He did out her, he told the press, this is public record and he admitted it. The big question is did he know her status ? and as this is hard to prove it is unlikely he will be charged with this.
Subtle technicalities don't remove facts as you constantly remind us with Clintons aquittal
Hmm something suggested and repeated in the conservative bloggsphere..must be trueHer status was not a secret to any who knew her, apparently...
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it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
I saw/read/became extremely bored with the repetitive nature of the fact having been reported in the major/main (that is to say, LIBERAL) media.
You know what's really odd?
I don't read any blogs, conservative or otherwise...
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
there is no god
Splitting hairs again I see. OK..... he admitted he gave the press the information, he admitted he named her (ok another technicality he said he never used her name but instead said it was wilsons wife) He admitted he told them she works for the CIA. as an agent. so in doing that an agent was "outed" deliberately or by accident and it seems disingenuous of you to make such a thin arguement on technicalities.
Either way he was not convicted even though he admitted the falsehood. I am not playing games but it appears you are
But you regularly (not so much recently) post conservative bloggs.... hold on they are not bloggs when you read them...they are columns or articlesI saw/read/became extremely bored with the repetitive nature of the fact having been reported in the major/main (that is to say, LIBERAL) media.
You know what's really odd?
I don't read any blogs, conservative or otherwise...
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
Yes; it's allowed in judicial courts, though not in courts of public opinion, where views like yours are rampant.
Another example of the politics of reason vs. the politics of feeling.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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And what would those views be ?
By that i take you mean your views are reasonable and dissenting views are emotional
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
Insofar as my views about examples such as the one above differ from yours?And what would those views be ?
That even though Fitzgerald could find no basis for charging him with outing Plame, we should not shrink from concluding Libby is guilty.
By that i take you mean your views are reasonable and dissenting views are emotional
YES.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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) He admitted he told them she works for the CIA. as an agent. so in doing that an agent was "outed" deliberately or by accident and it seems disingenuous of you to make such a thin arguement on technicalities. 
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